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"Went to a tourism event this morning and Reg Milley was the speaker. A couple of interesting points that I can remember is airport will be 100% smoke free as of Nov 1 with those spaces changing to retail, food outlets. They are in the process of a $900 million dollar plan which will be presented to their board in the next short while to expand the airport itself. 17 gates to 22 and more space in the transborder area. 300 parking spots of the new parkade structure will be open for the Christmas period. The hotel is still going ahead with ground breaking in winter/Spring but the one interesting note is it is much larger then originally planned. Never gave specifics.

Interesting stats that they have had an increase of 17% from Calgarians connecting in Edmonton in the last year. Flights being worked on are New York, Florida and to my surprise Warsaw along with Frankfurt, Amsterdam. Anybody know if the Warsaw airport is big? Guess it makes sense with the high percentage of eastern Europeans living in Alberta.

And he said they are getting very close to getting bus service to the airport. And possibly a coach service for guests. Does the airport ever need it. Sky Shuttle is not nearly as good as it was a year ago (even then it wasn't amazing)

No other details.

Thats all I can remember but he was definitely enthusiastic.

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Business travel heading north of 60

Mining and tourism helping drive northern commerce


By Monte Stewart - Business Edge
Published: 09/07/2007 - Vol. 7, No. 18

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Business travel is on the rise in Canada's North, say tourism and aviation operators above and below the 60th parallel.

Diamonds, energy, conventions, corporate retreats and even the famous Northern Lights are prompting airlines to offer more flights to Yellowknife and points farther north - while also giving hope to destination promoters who fight stereotypes about cold weather in the Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut.

According to northern tourism associations, tourist traffic traditionally outpaces business travel by a wide margin north of 60.

This winter, Air Canada, through its Jazz subsidiary, will offer daily non-stop flights between Vancouver and Yellowknife using its 50-seat Bombardier CRJ aircraft.
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Air North is marketing new vacation packages to the business leisure market as it works to builds its customer base.

"No. 1, there is business traffic between Vancouver and Yellowknife with the mining industry," says Air Canada spokeswoman Angela Mah. "Secondly, we do expect it to be popular with some of the leisure travellers, particularly from Asia - Japan in particular - for the Northern Lights."

Japanese couples, who have flocked to the North in recent years, believe conceiving children under the Aurora Borealis bodes well for a family's future. Air Canada has scheduled the Vancouver-Yellowknife flights to connect with planes arriving in Vancouver from Tokyo and Osaka.

When the winter season draws to a close, Air Canada will consider extending the Vancouver-Yellowknife service into the summer. The route addition comes after Canada's largest air carrier began offering direct daily flights between Calgary, Edmonton and Yellowknife last year.

Debra Ryan, a spokeswoman for Whitehorse-based Air North, says more corporate passengers will be a factor in the company's expected decision to acquire more aircraft within three years, although it caters primarily to Yukoners. The company has steadily increased its load factor in recent years.

Air North offers business-class service five flights per week to Whitehorse from Calgary and Edmonton, plus nine flights per week in summer and seven in winter to Vancouver. The company also provides connecting service to Whitehorse from Toronto and points farther east, carries passengers to Dawson City, Old Crow and Inuvik, and links with several smaller airlines that fly to destinations closer to the Arctic Circle.

Ryan says Air North's meal service, increased competition with Air Canada - which has resulted in a 30-per-cent reduction in fares since 2002 - and increased mining and oil and gas activity are drawing more corporate passengers, who often stay overnight in Whitehorse.

Air North is also marketing vacation packages to the so-called business leisure market - passengers who combine business with sightseeing - from Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton.

In addition to Air Canada and Air North, Ottawa-based First Air - by far the region's largest airline operator - and Canadian North provide scheduled service to the Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut. WestJet also provides many connecting flights.

Ryan says many people don't understand flight routes and schedules when trying to reach northern destinations. But some business passengers have become "quite savvy" at combining northern carriers' products with those of WestJet and Air Canada to get to outlying communities as quickly as possible.

She expects the world's increasing demand for hydrocarbons, the reopening of Yukon mines and the steady influx of major retail chains, including Superstore and Starbucks, to boost Air North's traffic in future.

In 2006, Air North generated $37.5 million, up 25 per cent from the previous year, while ridership increased seven per cent to about 107,000. Totals are expected to climb again this year. The airline also carted four million pounds of cargo, which has a strong link to business travel because many companies fly in heavy equipment as well as personnel.

First Air vice-president of marketing and sales Jim Ballingall predicts slow, steady growth of airline traffic in the North. The company will add a new year-round, six-day-a week route between Winnipeg, Thompson, Man., and Rankin Inlet this November.

Ballingall points to Yellowknife, a city of about 17,000 people, as an example of just how competitive northern aviation can be.

Three airlines - First Air, Air Canada and Canadian North - operate 10 flights per day between Yellowknife, Calgary and Edmonton.

"You wouldn't see that anywhere else in Canada, anywhere else in the world, I wouldn't think, going into a town that small," he says.

First Air offers flights to the North from four main southern bases - Ottawa, Winnipeg, Montreal and Edmonton - and connects to Vancouver with Air Canada. The firm, which has 1,000 employees system-wide, also operates many short-haul flights from three main northern centres - Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet and Yellowknife - while serving about 24 northern communities.

Ballingall says "a good percentage" of the firm's 225,000 passengers per year are business travellers.

"When you say business travellers, they're travelling to the mines," he says. "You've got consultants, you've got government officials, you've got health officials - it's a broad spectrum."

Different travel aviation industry insiders offer differing definitions of a northern business traveller.

Passengers include mining and energy company personnel headed to work at mines and exploration sites, often bringing equipment with them.

Ballingall describes cargo as "a mainstay" of the company's operations. Last year, First Air purchased its second Lockheed 382G Hercules plane to help cope with increased cargo volume. The Hercules, often used on military and international relief missions, costs upward of US$15 million and can carry about 20,000 kilograms per trip.

"We're the only operator of civilian-registered Hercs (in Canada)," says Ballingall. "They fly 365 days a year in the North on supply to the mines (and) on hauling fuel.

"You've gotta remember that north of 60, the only way in and out of the communities is via air. We are the road of the North."

First Air is considering the purchase of a "wide-bodied freighter," possibly a Boeing 767, that would operate primarily between Eastern Canada and the North.

Rick Erickson, a leading Calgary-based aviation industry analyst, does not expect a huge increase in corporate passenger and cargo traffic in the North in coming years, despite increasing industrial activity.

"Other than the diamond mining exploration cycle going on in Yellowknife right now, I think that the market is fairly mature," he says. "It's a steady-as-she-goes (market.)

"Costs are relatively high because of the high operating costs of specialized equipment in northern weather. So there are some challenges and problems with that."

He suggests airline traffic will remain strong, because aviation is "indispensable" to the North's social and economic wellbeing, and there are no alternatives when it comes to transporting everything from milk to generators to remote communities.

But most cargo loads are too small to generate big gains, he adds, and projects such as the long-proposed Mackenzie Valley gas pipeline will only produce temporary traffic spikes.

"(Travel operators) have not been overly successful in terms of tourism, trying to get southern Canadians - or anybody for that matter - to visit because of the cost and challenges," he adds.

But Jenn Houtby, managing director of the Yukon Convention Bureau, says business events are increasing in the Territories. Her group expects to generate approximately $7 million in direct spending this fiscal year.

"It's a bit skewed because we hosted the Canada (Winter) Games this year," says Houtby. "Traditionally, we would be somewhere around the $4-million mark. Next year, we're on track to do between $4.5-$5 million."

The Yukon hosts 5,000-6,000 convention delegates annually - the equivalent of one large conference in Vancouver. Houtby says the amount of convention-related spending by visitors has almost doubled to about $5 million from $2.5 million, and her bureau's membership has increased about 20 per cent in each of the past three years.

"Our bread-and-butter market at this time is the association market," she says.

But the bureau still faces lengthy delays when it comes to winning convention contracts - and fighting stereotypes about cold weather, lack of amenities and inaccessibility.

Instead of the usual three months to a year to secure a contract, it could take the Yukon a year or two.

Then, like convention-centre operators everywhere else, her bureau must wait three to five years for the actual event to be held.

But attitudes about latitudes are changing.

Northern business travellers also tend to stay longer - two or three weeks on average - than those who can visit southern destinations more frequently. And the Yukon stands to benefit as more Canadian companies require conventions to be held at home rather than in other countries following 9/11.

Corporate retreats are also on the rise, she says. Japan's Toshiba Corp. has booked a lodge for 35 employees in September.

"We're getting more and more requests for that type of business, which is new for us," she says.

(Monte Stewart can be reached at [email protected])
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Dual-purpose airport attracts 'condo' buyers

Pilot-owners laud unique ownership plan


By Laura Severs - Business Edge
Published: 09/07/2007 - Vol. 7, No. 18

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They've cooked up a different way to run an airport in northern Alberta - they've gone condo.

At the Cooking Lake Airport - the only facility in the province with both a floatplane base and a conventional runway - the traditional model of running an airport has taken a backseat. Instead, the undertaking is described as the only airport in Canada operating with a condominium ownership structure.

Primarily a recreational flying facility for floatplanes and small aircraft, Cooking Lake Airport has one paved runway, two floatplane launch ramps, 20 floating docks, approximately 25,000 annual aircraft movements and an economic impact to the surrounding area of $13 million.

Located 20 kilometres east of Edmonton in Strathcona County, it also includes 74 condo hangar lots, 66 hangars and 75 tie-down stalls with power.
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A concept of planned expansion of the Cooking Lake Airport, 20 km east of Edmonton.

And while the bare-land condominium aspect that makes the airport unique has been in operation for more than 10 years, the model is working so well that expansion is on the drawing board.

"The intention is to bring additional lots on because as we understand, there is fair demand for those lots," says Andy Shanks, manager of general aviation services for Edmonton Airports, which manages and operates the Cooking Lake airport in addition to Edmonton International, City Centre and Villeneuve airports.

"We've been talking about this for quite some time now and have identified the area and what the plan might look like."

However, a timeline for the proposed expansion has not been finalized - despite the fact that all existing condo property is accounted for.

"If there was space, we could sell more condos. We've got tons of people who would want to build out here," says Cooking Lake Condominium Association president Steven Blue.

"Selling a hangar (on the condominium property) out there is really easy because demand outstrips supply," adds Jim Johannsson, a senior manager in the telecommunications field and a condo association member who flies his own Cessna for recreational purposes and occasionally on business.

"All you have to do is tell a few folks and word will get around. Or just put a notice on the bulletin board in the terminal and it will sell very quickly."

That overall demand is being fuelled by a strong economy and an interest in recreational aviation by business owners, professionals and retired people.

"The economy is generating a lot of cash and a lot of folks can afford these things," says Shanks.

There are more than 70 members of the Cooking Lake Condominium Association, which is comprised of the owners of the hangar lots. Members pay an annual fee to the condo association to cover condominium common property upkeep and upgrades, as well as funding the organization's reserve fund, an access fee to Edmonton Airports and property taxes to Strathcona County.

"When Edmonton Airports purchased the (Cooking Lake) airport, there was a very strong feeling among the tenants that they wanted to own their property," says Shanks.

By opting for this unique arrangement, Edmonton Airports generated a substantial amount of cash that has gone into a capital reserve fund and is used for Cooking Lake airport purposes. At the same time, Edmonton Airports retains full control over the non-condo portions of the facility.

"The tenants at the time (before the Edmonton Airports purchase) were leasing their lots from Alberta Transportation and they had a keen interest in purchasing those lots," says Shanks. "In order to provide them that opportunity, we created a bare-land condominium - it provides the same sort of arrangement as in a conventional condominium and falls under provincial condominium legislation."

Orville Hewitt, president and chief flight instructor of the Cooking Lake Aviation Academy Inc., was one of the first to take advantage of the opportunity.

"I thought it was a step forward for general aviation," says Hewitt. "The property has more than tripled in value since I purchased it. I made additional investments because I own the property. I've improved the facilities considerably since I've been here. Now it's become an investment whereas before, you were just leasing."

Hewitt, who trains both career and recreational flyers, has been in aviation for 33 years. Graduates of his academy can be found flying for Air Canada, WestJet, United, Delta and other major air carriers.

Johannsson, who flies his Cessna once or twice a week when the weather is good, agrees that the condo model works well.

"The condominium arrangement at a public airport such as Cooking Lake Airport is truly innovative in Canada," says Johannsson.

"Operation of the airport is the responsibility of the Edmonton Airports but a superb working relationship with Edmonton Airports means that the members of the condominium are actively involved in directing the maintenance standards and the future direction of the airport."

Ownership, adds Blue, has its privileges.

"With the (condominium) board made up of elected members, owners have the added benefit of having people to help look after their best interests," he says.

"Those interests would be making sure that you have eyes and ears monitoring anything happening within the county (of Strathcona) with regards to zoning or development or anything like that, as well as monitoring water lake levels - and water lake levels are important because it's a floatplane base."

(Laura Severs can be reached at [email protected])
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EAA is in the process of talking to LOT polish airlines who flew seasonal nonstops from Warsaw (WAW.) to Edmonton up until 2002.The flight was almost always packed using a IL-62 at the start then a 767.I would be thrilled to see LOT back at YEG,as would Edmonton's very large polish community.Not a big surprise to see this one....After all LOT served YEG from the mid 80's right up till Sept 11 took its course...

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"Went to a tourism event this morning and Reg Milley was the speaker. Flights being worked on are New York, Florida and to my surprise Warsaw along with Frankfurt, Amsterdam. Anybody know if the Warsaw airport is big? Guess it makes sense with the high percentage of eastern Europeans living in Alberta. Flights being worked on are New York, Florida and to my surprise Warsaw along with Frankfurt, Amsterdam. Anybody know if the Warsaw airport is big? Guess it makes sense with the high percentage of eastern Europeans living in Alberta.
I'm not that surprised by Warsaw. LOT Polish Airlines was one of the first customers to purchase the Boeing 787. All 8 firm orders are scheduled for delivery in 2008. I've always said we might see a LOT 787 faster than an AC 787 at YEG.

Warsaw airport handled over 8 million passengers in 2006. It's not a big airport relative to Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, etc. but i know for a fact that when LOT flew charters to YEG, they were 95% full with Poles, Ukranians, and a handfull of people connecting to the middle east. I've never understood why this route wasn't advertised more when it existed. Maybe back then WAW wasn't a real player but you now have all the low-cost carriers drooling over Warsaw and Poland in general and why not with about 40 million people living in an area half the size of Alberta. It is now a lot easier making connections in Warsaw further east or to central Europe.

LOT Polish Airlines is part of the Star Alliance and i'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing because of Air Canada. I guess AC might object to LO stealing passengers from their YEG-YYZ, YEG-LHR and YYC-FRA runs but perhaps they could cooperate in the same way AC and LH cooperate without the need of using their own aircraft.

To give you an example of WAW's growth in terms of passengers per year:
2003-5,166,991
2004-6,085,111
2005-7,071,881
2006-8,101,827
     
     
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Edmonton International goes smoke-free on Nov. 1

Edmonton, Alta. – For the comfort and well being of all passengers and employees, Edmonton International Airport will become a smoke-free facility and workplace effective Nov. 1, 2007.

Currently, smoking is permitted inside three enclosed smoking rooms in the Departures Lounge (post-security) and inside the separate, enclosed lounge areas of two licensed restaurants – one located pre-security and the other post-security.

All indoor smoking areas will be closed. For the convenience of those who would like to smoke, six clearly marked outdoor smoking areas will be available pre-security on both the Departures and Arrivals Levels. Outdoor smoking areas will be located away from doors and other high-traffic pedestrian areas.

The decision to move to a smoke-free terminal was based on a growing trend in airports and other public places to address concerns over workplace health and safety and other issues.

Federal and provincial regulations prohibiting smoking in all public places and workplaces are expected to come into effect by Jan. 1, 2008.

“Edmonton International is happy to provide a healthy, smoke-free environment for all of its customers, tenants and staff,” said Reg Milley, President and CEO, Edmonton Airports. “We believe that our corporate responsibility extends to reducing the controllable risks to the health and safety of our customers, employees, and other stakeholders. Providing a smoke-free facility and workplace will contribute to this goal.”

Smoke-free public places and workplaces are fast becoming the standard throughout the world. Many airports in Canada and the United States are already 100 per cent smoke-free indoors.
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EAA is in the process of talking to LOT polish airlines who flew seasonal nonstops from Warsaw (WAW.) to Edmonton up until 2002.The flight was almost always packed using a IL-62 at the start then a 767.I would be thrilled to see LOT back at YEG,...
IL-62 - eeesh! I flew on one of those this year.
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Il-62s? I never knew LOT flew these Russian planes into YEG before it used 767s. The Il-62 must've been an incredibly loud plane to fly on, maybe even louder than even a non-hushkitted 737-200.

LOT's fleet is made entirely of Western aircraft now. And if LOT does fly into Edmonton, it might not be using just the 767-200, but also the 787, as it has orders for 8 787-8s (and 1 option) and 6 787-9s.
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Il-62s? I never knew LOT flew these Russian planes into YEG before it used 767s. The Il-62 must've been an incredibly loud plane to fly on, maybe even louder than even a non-hushkitted 737-200.

LOT's fleet is made entirely of Western aircraft now. And if LOT does fly into Edmonton, it might not be using just the 767-200, but also the 787, as it has orders for 8 787-8s (and 1 option) and 6 787-9s.
Actually, 8 787-8's are firm orders to be delivered in 2008 while the others are all options but whose counting. I was lucky (or unlucky depending how you look at it) to fly the YEG-WAW route on both of LOT's IL-62 and Boeing 767. The IL-62 flew via YYZ picking up a few passengers (and refuelling i assume). I don't remember the flight being too noisy but i'm sure it wasn't as quiet as in the 767. One thing i do remember is that they gave us sky blue LOT Polish Airlines socks for the flight and i do remember it being a little cool. Needles to say, these funky socks were not handed out on the nonstop YEG-WAW flight on the 767.

I'd love to see LOT back regardless if it was the 767 or 787 because eventually the 767 would be replaced by a 787. LOT's new flights next year to Beijing will be 3 times per week so once a week to YEG could be possible.
     
     
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Hey LO 044 I have some good news for you...I spoke to Reg Milley today regarding the current construction at the airport and brought up the LOT to Edmonton bit...He laughed and said ''what makes you think its LOT?''.Good news LOT approached EAA and not the other way around about wanting to re-start the YEG-WAW route for next spring...Looks like it will happen...But that's all I got.
     
     
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Hey LO 044 I have some good news for you...I spoke to Reg Milley today regarding the current construction at the airport and brought up the LOT to Edmonton bit...He laughed and said ''what makes you think its LOT?''.Good news LOT approached EAA and not the other way around about wanting to re-start the YEG-WAW route for next spring...Looks like it will happen...But that's all I got.
Good grief - that would be great!!!!!!!!!!!!. I would fly just to support it!! We are going to owe Edmonton's Polish Community big time...now if only the Dutch would get behind a flight to AMS from KLM or even push Martinair to offer year round scheduled. Where the heck is that great Dutch community???
     
     
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how about the chinese community to HK on cathay:>
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This route is was suspended in a big way due due to Sept 11 and LO's concentration on YYZ.I expect we will see a 767 again when its launched...
     
     
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Hey LO 044 I have some good news for you...I spoke to Reg Milley today regarding the current construction at the airport and brought up the LOT to Edmonton bit...He laughed and said ''what makes you think its LOT?''.Good news LOT approached EAA and not the other way around about wanting to re-start the YEG-WAW route for next spring...Looks like it will happen...But that's all I got.
So you asked Reg whether he approached LOT and he specifically said that it was the other way around? I'm curious what you mean by Reg's ''what makes you think its LOT?'' comment. Does that mean you asked him something like "So is LOT the new international carrier/route we're getting?" and then he said ''what makes you think its LOT?''. I'm a tad confused.

Regardless it would be great. The Polish community alone will easily snap many tickets for these flights. The question is what kind of hoopla will this route launch get compared to AC to LHR. Maybe not the same but i'd love for Air Canada to codeshare on this route somehow. When the YEG-WAW route existed, i was in Vancouver at one time and saw LOT advertising the YEG-WAW route on local TV. It would be nice to lure some more YYC and YVR passengers from their LHR/FRA flights.
     
     
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^I asked about the YEG-WAW route and said ''so LOT is coming back?'' thats all, nothing to be confused about...I dont think?He replied as such.I work at YEG and our company is in the middle of some major construction at the moment so I meet with the EAA on a regular basis.I get alot of news before most that is all.Dont be confused please.If anything be a little happy...By the way the YEG-FRA route is still a major priority for us at YEG, so dont fret...
     
     
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Sounds good tuffyy. Keep the news coming.
     
     
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imagine we get a frankfurt and a warsaw....AWSOME!
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Hmmm...Lot is the forgotten Star Alliance Partner...
     
     
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