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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 6:33 AM
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I suspect its more the latter. I know Maguire and the debt he accumulated were a drag on the company and his properties languished for a long time even after he left but still......the tallest bldg in a market tends to command a certain prestige and typically stays full. That's why I was surprised at the occupancy figure. I hope the new owners do right by the bldg.
Maybe what the US Bank Tower needs is a renovation. Maybe go far as to upgrade the Bunker Hill Steps or the sidewalk in front of the building. Who knows?
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 6:39 AM
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that's why you need to keep an eye on things like this....




It's odd cuz some forumers sound like they want to be, or expect others to be, cheerleaders for dt. Yet, again, they'll grumble about new apt bldgs not being taller or nicer, or some new devlpt not being wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Yet they get all hurt & offended when the truly sad aspects of the hood are pointed out.....& not happily or gladly but with alarm.

la/ocman's post does put one thing in perspective about a small aspect of dt, or any hood....meaning the restaurant business. It does help put things in balance, which is welcome.

based on colemonkee's hints, the Kitchen Table closed not cuz of a lack of customers, but due to other problems. Maybe inside fighting....or legal type of problems....also is largely responsible for the closure of the restaurant in the watermark tower. But I would guess that the owners of Figaro on broadway are really having to fight to meet payroll & other expenses. Since they're so unique in the wilds of broadway....so important to efforts to revive that street....if they can't make a go of it, that will be very different from the high failure rate of the typical new restaurant in LA or anywhere else.
Balance, Citywatch, balance.

There are good things happening as well as some bad things. And yes, restaurants are notoriously low margin businesses with a lot of turnover esp in a market like LA where new restaurant openings are part of the glamour of the city. A restaurant closing does not signal the DT area is failing. In reality, new restaurant openings are the first signs that a neighborhood is turning. The fact that some restaurants don't make it is not a sign the turn has stalled.

At this point there are more positives to DTLA than there have been in decades.........certainly more positives than negatives. Office occupancy continues to be a drag but I think that too will change going forward.
     
     
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Maybe what the US Bank Tower needs is a renovation. Maybe go far as to upgrade the Bunker Hill Steps or the sidewalk in front of the building. Who knows?
I think good marketing may do the trick. The national economy is picking up speed. Companies are starting to expand their offices. The bldg needs to snag a few small companies that are growing. Its something to watch going forward.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 13, 2013, 7:41 AM
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Maybe what the US Bank Tower needs is a renovation. Maybe go far as to upgrade the Bunker Hill Steps or the sidewalk in front of the building. Who knows?
I hope not. Architecturally, the building is fantastic.
     
     
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As for DTLA turning into Rodeo Dr.......I believe if people are hoping for that kind of transformation, they will be disappointed. Successful downtowns typically are a mixture of low, middle and upper income retail. I think that's what makes them interesting. I suspect that will be DTLA's future.
Thank you. I can't stand the people who want to "over-gentrify" downtown and turn it into Beverly Hills-style shopping destination, without a care for all the artists and students that moved down there
     
     
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This is a very interesting interview from the Restaurateur behind Downtown restaurants Bestia and Rivera and he discusses the new concept that will take place in the old rectory at the old Vibiana Cathedral. He is also working with Eli Broad for something in the new museum.

http://la.eater.com/archives/2013/03/13/..._on_the_past_present_and_future.php#more
     
     
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Blackcat, do me a favor and take a quick shot of the Courtyard Marriott? It's looking pretty tall in the Webcam
     
     
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So basically this forum has become city-data 2.0.

Sad.

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Blackcat, do me a favor and take a quick shot of the Courtyard Marriott? It's looking pretty tall in the Webcam
I'll stop by and get a picture after work tomorrow, if no one gets to it before then.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 2:05 AM
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@Blackcat: Wait untill this new floor is completely laid out on the Courtyard
     
     
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Here's a pic by Marco Polo on SSC:

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Taken by me on 13 March 2013:

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As LASportsFan let us know a couple weeks back, the Metropolis parcel has gone on the market.

LA Times now reporting this as well.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-0314-property-report-20130314,0,7236600.story
     
     
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Here's a pic by Marco Polo on SSC:
Don't let citywatch see that!!!
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Went by the Rialto yesterday and noticed this. I don't recall ever seeing this storefront sealed and with the scaffolding. Could it be the start of Urban Outfitters?
     
     
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Don't let citywatch see that!!!
Lol I guess to make it less painful, I'll respond for her.

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Thank you for posting this pic. I always feel when ppl complain about a bldg being too short, or not having a store on the first floor, or not having a price winning design... when & spots like this have been in the hood yr after yr after yr after yr. I know things are changing, but it shouldn't have been like this to begin with.
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No, it's of an adaptive reuse next door. That building is going to have nine apartments, each apartment taking up one floor.
     
     
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Yea that project is finally taking off! I still think they could've at least doubled the amount of apts though, either way, Does anyone know if this is open yet? Its located on the same block as this project just south of the Rialto:



http://brighamyen.com/2012/07/17/parker-...retail-on-broadway-downtown-los-angeles/
     
     
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Lol I guess to make it less painful, I'll respond for her.

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Thank you for posting this pic. I always feel when ppl complain about a bldg being too short, or not having a store on the first floor, or not having a price winning design... when & spots like this have been in the hood yr after yr after yr after yr. I know things are changing, but it shouldn't have been like this to begin with.
LOL

Not bad. You should throw in a half dozen superfluous commas to really drive the point home.
     
     
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Lol I guess to make it less painful, I'll respond for her.
nice try, mr smartypants.

but quite seriously, I'm sure far more ppl have a sense that something is not up to speed about the hood cuz of things like that & not, for example, whether architecture firms like TCA are doing projs in LA that will win any prizes or earn national acclaim. iow, there's bad & then there's BAD!


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Maybe what the US Bank Tower needs is a renovation. Maybe go far as to upgrade the Bunker Hill Steps or the sidewalk in front of the building. Who knows?
I wish you were correct. But unfortunately you're really whistling in the dark when you guess that's the reason for the problem.

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A $1 billion office-and-hotel tower being developed by Korean Air Lines Co. in downtown Los Angeles will be the tallest building in the western U.S. upon its completion in four years, according to the project’s architect.

“Downtown, along with a lot of the other commercial office centers, has relatively high vacancy rates as a result of the job losses stemming from the financial-market crisis,” Robert Kleinhenz, chief economist at the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., said in a telephone interview. “But by the time this building opens it will probably be able to benefit from a recovery.”

Even with the area’s resurgence, office vacancies in downtown Los Angeles rose to 17.8 percent in the third quarter, the latest period for which figures are available, from 15.6 percent a year earlier, according to Jones Lang LaSalle Inc.

i know ssp is a site that attracts lots of big fans of highrises, & that will affect how forumers post about any city, including LA. Regrettably, it's easier being a fan of skyscrapers elsewhere....

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The office-vacancy rate in New York’s midtown south climbed for a fourth straight quarter as rents rose faster than some of the area’s technology and media tenants could pay, Cushman & Wakefield reported.

The rate reached 7.1 percent at the end of 2012, up from a low point of 5.9 percent in the first quarter, the New York- based real estate services firm said today in a statement. The increase indicates the market is softening in an area that has the lowest vacancy rate in the U.S.

“It’s still the tightest market in the country, but I think that the bloom is off the rose,” Kenneth McCarthy, chief economist for Cushman, said in a telephone interview. “It’s still the preferred location, but cost really does have an impact on space decisions.”

Manhattan’s fourth-quarter vacancy rate was 9.4 percent, down from 9.6 percent in the third quarter and up from 9.1 percent a year earlier. Average asking rents rose to $59.54 a square foot, up from $58.83 in the previous three months and $57.23 a year earlier.

this is about the other major city in the US that's long been associated with skyscrapers. It's not doing as well as NY, but it's still better off than we are in LA, or dtla....

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The downtown office market is showing signs of stalling. The overall vacancy rate ticked up to 14.9 percent in the fourth quarter, from 14.8 percent in the previous two quarters, according to statistics from Los Angeles-based CBRE Inc.

The rise — after a flat third quarter — is a cause for concern. It marks the first quarterly increase in vacancy since the midway point of 2010, when the market hit its post-crash peak of 17.3 percent. Overall vacancy, which includes space directly available from landlords or to sublease from tenants, is down from 15.4 percent at the end of 2011.

The suburbs-to-downtown migration should continue in 2013, as companies court younger workers who live in the city, Mr. Wessman said. Downtown technology companies also will look to expand in 2013, he added. But that growth will be offset by larger firms in traditional industries, which continue to offload space, he said. “They're looking at the bottom line more, and technology is reducing the footprint companies use,” Mr. Wessman said
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^ so when ppl in this thread go or cuz a new proj isn't taller....when a proj like wilshire grand is delayed over & over again, & won't be truly....TRULY....the tallest bldg in LA.....they have to know the major reason behind that. I think understanding that is far more important than whether a new proj in dt is going to have a design that deserves a Pritzker or not, or is to everyone's taste & liking.
     
     
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