Saskatoon and Regina Air Service

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by wacko

I'm not a pilot either. Does "simultaneous runway ops" just mean the safe operation of two or more runways (not necessarily simultaneously)?

Obviously planes cannot take off or land at the exact same moment where the runways intersect. They can have planes on them taxiing, etc. at the same time. Here are some procedures:

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviati...4703.htm#8.9.1

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by wacko

I'm not a pilot either. Does "simultaneous runway ops" just mean the safe operation of two or more runways (not necessarily simultaneously)?

Yes: Simultaneous Ops basically means the utilization of two or more runways at the same time - whether they are parallel or not. In YXE's case, simultaneous ops is governed by LDAs (Landing Distance Available), which is based on a given distance between the runway threshold and the first would-be runway intersection encountered.

To my knowledge, YQR does not have that provision. (As-of-yet, although it ought to.

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Dalreg, . . . please stop it.

I hate to get into a shootout with you here; however, you seem to be neither a pilot; nor a lawyer; nor a logician; nor an English major; nor an analyst. If you were [at least] any one of these, you'd pick up on what I had stated [2X] above. YXE is approved for simultaneous runway ops. (That doesn't mean that they must exercise that 'privilege' at all times.)

It stands to chance that I know what-the-hell I am talking about here.

simultaneous runway ops are not the same as simultaneous take offs or landings. Parallel runways can handle a hell lot more traffic if they are far enough apart. Having one plane taxi on a runway isn't what I meant and you know it.

Almost every multiple runway airport in the world can be approved for multiple actions at the same time, but when you get done to it only one runway is actually being used at a time for what it is meant to be used for.

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

simultaneous runway ops are not the same as simultaneous take offs or landings. Parallel runways can handle a hell lot more traffic if they are far enough apart. Having one plane taxi on a runway isn't what I meant and you know it.

Almost every multiple runway airport in the world can be approved for multiple actions at the same time, but when you get done to it only one runway is actually being used at a time for what it is meant to be used for.

Dude, I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. I fly every day as a captain for an air carrier. I know what the rules are for airport ops. I'm going to leave it at that about this topic.

[one_brick_at_a_time]

Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Dude, I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. I fly every day as a captain for an air carrier. I know what the rules are for airport ops. I'm going to leave it at that about this topic.

BAZING! snap snap! Well said, SkydivePilot.

[PhotoJim]

Saskatoon can handle a lot more traffic. I have used both London Gatwick (LGW) and San Diego Lindbergh (SAN) - the two busiest single-runway airports in the world. SAN in particular has no room for a second runway. Both handle considerably more traffic than YXE + YQR combined.

[kalin_10]

So back to the original question, does anyone know yxe's hourly and daily capacity... Must say an amusing conversation

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by kalin_10

So back to the original question, does anyone know yxe's hourly and daily capacity... Must say an amusing conversation

Well, you'd have to ask the tower and IFR controllers that. Lol!!! YXE/YQR though can have an incredible potential number of arrivals/departures within a 24-hour period!

Ok, I give in here, read this! Tower hours for YXE/YQR are as follows:

YXE: March 11-Nov 03: Mon-Fri: 6:00 a.m. - 10:45 p.m.; Sat-Sun: 6:45 a.m. - 10:45 p.m.
Nov 04-March 10: 6:45 a.m. - 10:45 p.m. (7 days/week.)

YQR: April 01-Oct 31: 6:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.; Nov 01-March 31: 6:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m. (7 days/week.)

After our towers close, our Control Zones change from Class "D" airspace to Class "E" airspace. (5 NM radius.) That means pilots, with advisement from Flight Services, coordinate themselves with regards to arrivals and departures without the need for tower services - even though the ACCs (Area Control Centres) are still running - 24hrs/day.

All that said, aircraft departing the same runway normally have a 2-minute departure separation - for a few obvious reasons. Departures on intersecting runways are cleared for take-off after a preceding aircraft crosses the centreline of the succeeding aircraft: No departure time separation required for that. All that is required is proof of separation. Towers (when open) govern separation times. When towers are closed, separation is at the captain's discretion.

As far as YXE's [pre-expansion] terminal capacity is, I believe it is 1.4 million pax/year. After expansion: 2.2 million.

YQR was recently bumped up from 1.3 to 1.35 million pax/year. Yay! (Though future expansion will be well over 2 million/year.)

Divide those numbers by 365.25, and you have your [typical] terminal pax capacity/day. (Except for outsized events - such as Grey Cup.)

Aircraft arrivals/departures: approximately 30/hour.

I hope this helps.

[kalin_10]

Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Well, you'd have to ask the tower and IFR controllers that. Lol!!! YXE/YQR though can have an incredible potential number of arrivals/departures within a 24-hour period!

Ok, I give in here, read this! Tower hours for YXE/YQR are as follows:

YXE: March 11-Nov 03: Mon-Fri: 6:00 a.m. - 10:45 p.m.; Sat-Sun: 6:45 a.m. - 10:45 p.m.
Nov 04-March 10: 6:45 a.m. - 10:45 p.m. (7 days/week.)

YQR: April 01-Oct 31: 6:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.; Nov 01-March 31: 6:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m. (7 days/week.)

After our towers close, our Control Zones change from Class "D" airspace to Class "E" airspace. (5 NM radius.) That means pilots, with advisement from Flight Services, coordinate themselves with regards to arrivals and departures without the need for tower services - even though the ACCs (Area Control Centres) are still running - 24hrs/day.

All that said, aircraft departing the same runway normally have a 2-minute departure separation - for a few obvious reasons. Departures on intersecting runways are cleared for take-off after a preceding aircraft crosses the centreline of the succeeding aircraft: No departure time separation required for that. All that is required is proof of separation. Towers (when open) govern separation times. When towers are closed, separation is at the captain's discretion.

As far as YXE's [pre-expansion] terminal capacity is, I believe it is 1.4 million pax/year. After expansion: 2.2 million.

YQR was recently bumped up from 1.3 to 1.35 million pax/year. Yay! (Though future expansion will be well over 2 million/year.)

Divide those numbers by 365.25, and you have your [typical] terminal pax capacity/day. (Except for outsized events - such as Grey Cup.)

Aircraft arrivals/departures: approximately 30/hour.

I hope this helps.

Thanks. That's great information!

[casper]

Originally Posted by kalin_10

Thanks. That's great information!

Clearly the terminal building in the limiting factor, and it can be easily expanded. It will likely expand several times before anyone looks at the runway.

If you take a look at the Calgary-Vancouver-Edmonton triangle and Toronto-Montreal-Ottawa triangle it is rare that the airlines will operate frequency higher than hourly. They would move to larger aircraft to meet demand. Assume Saskatoon had a population of $1 Million and the associated passenger volume at most you would see Air Canada use two slots for a rotations to Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Toronto, that is a total of 8 slots. You could see Westjet use another 8 slots. That still leaves 14 slots per hour for other less frequent routes.

Not likely since they get by with the Dash on the Calgary-Edmonton route, however Air Canada could up-gage from the Dash-8 to the E190 and then A319, 320, 321 as demand warrants. By the time that happens the Airbus aircraft will likely all be replaced with the new 737.

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by SkydivePilot

Dude, I'm not going to waste my time explaining this to you. I fly every day as a captain for an air carrier. I know what the rules are for airport ops. I'm going to leave it at that about this topic.

No worries mate!

But answer my question then, can two planes on both runways land or take off at the same time?

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

No worries mate!

But answer my question then, can two planes on both runways land or take off at the same time?

Yes.

Take-offs must ensure that the first aircraft clears the centreline of the intersecting runway (for all airports with intersecting runways); however, in Saskatoon, aircraft are permitted to land simultaneously on both Runways 27 and 33 --- but only up to a point.

LDA for Rwy 33: 4876', total length: 6200'; LDA for Rwy 27: 4708'; total length: 8300'. (Both LDAs are measured from the threshold to Short of the intersecting runway - and not up to, and including, the intersecting runway's centre line.)

If there is to be a simultaneous landing on each of those runways, and both pilots are granted a simultaneous landing clearance, each pilot/captain must ensure (and 'promise' lol) that each of their respective landing/ground rolls will be contained within the LDAs permitted. (Otherwise, there could be problems - lol!)

I hope this helps.

[SkydivePilot]

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For tickets, call Gord at (306) 665-2700.

Departures are 90 mins prior to kick-off.

Go Riders!

[kalin_10]

Canada is spawning two new ultra low-fare airline proposals. Both are based on the Spirit Airlines, Allegiant Air and Ryanair models where are all services are unbundled and passengers select and pay for whatever they want. All services have a charge amount with an attractive low base ticket price.

Canada Jetlines (Vancouver) is a new startup airline proposal that intends to establish low fare flights out of Vancouver International Airport with Airbus A319s

Jet Naked will offer fares at less than 60% of those currently sold by Air Canada and WestJet

Read more here...

[esquire]

^ If they actually get off the ground, I fully expect that AC and WS will attempt to crush them with aggressive price-matching. Once the competitors are out of business, it's back to the usual high prices.

[kalin_10]

Originally Posted by kalin_10

Canada is spawning two new ultra low-fare airline proposals. Both are based on the Spirit Airlines, Allegiant Air and Ryanair models where are all services are unbundled and passengers select and pay for whatever they want. All services have a charge amount with an attractive low base ticket price.

Canada Jetlines (Vancouver) is a new startup airline proposal that intends to establish low fare flights out of Vancouver International Airport with Airbus A319s

Jet Naked will offer fares at less than 60% of those currently sold by Air Canada and WestJet

Read more here...

Canadians Will Soon Be Able To 'Jet Naked'
Daniel Tencer The Huffington Post Canada 07/03/14 04:19 AM ET
Is the age of ultra low-cost airlines finally coming to Canada? Two new startup airlines hope so, but if history is any indicator, they’ll have an uphill fight making Canada an affordable airline market.

Two new discount carriers, one based in Calgary the other in Vancouver, are promising to cut the floor out from Canada’s two major airlines, Air Canada and Westjet, with much lower prices.

Jet Naked, based in Calgary and headed up by WestJet co-founder Tim Morgan, says its fares will be at least 40 per cent lower than Air Canada and Westjet, according to the National Post.

For the basic ticket price, passengers will get nothing more than a seat on an airplane. For additional fees, they will be able buy carry-on space, luggage space, drinks and meals.

Part of the airline’s strategy is to convince Canadian “cross-border fliers” who travel from U.S. airports to fly from a Canadian one instead.

The airline has already put together a fleet of three Boeing 737s, and has hired a private equity firm to help it raise $30 million to $50 million, CH Aviation reports.

Executives are vague on where exactly the airline will fly, saying they plan to remain “flexible” and may even choose a city other than Calgary as its base.

Read more...

[EpicPonyTime]

Can't wait to see the logo they're going to put on the Jet Naked planes...

[one_brick_at_a_time]

I am really interested to see what the architectural concept will be for the Regina International Airport expansion (when it happens) to the north regarding height. I hope there for sure will be a lot of glass and high ceilings like Saskatoons open concept.

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by one_brick_at_a_time

I am really interested to see what the architectural concept will be for the Regina International Airport expansion (when it happens) to the north regarding height. I hope there for sure will be a lot of glass and high ceilings like Saskatoons open concept.

Well, it'll be a "significant" expansion in concert with a 'modern' look to it. The ATB will be about the same height as before; and yes --- I'll bet that the ceiling will be skylit as well.

The expansion will occur towards the northwest. (Initially.) Then towards the northeast along Taxiway "C". (If not initially, then eventually.) The ATB will then be "L-shaped".

If $5 will get you $10, I'd bet that there will be a new control tower as well. For the past 3 years, Taxiway "C" has been uncontrolled due-to-the-fact that there is limited tower visibility along sections of "C". (Even though nothing has changed there for quite some time now.)

I'll find out more about that soon.

[The Bess]

This will be interesting if it happens

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/s...008/story.html