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Old Posted Oct 29, 2009, 7:07 PM
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Not that flexible. Silverstein needed to get special approval for a slightly taller tower 3, and that was contingent on him getting a specific tenant for the building. It would not have been taller than tower 2 in either case. It would have been the largest of the new WTC towers.
wait so the taller tower 3 idea has already been scrapped?

damn thats my favorite tower!

I remember reading somewhere way back that the plan called for tower 5 to be no taller than 900 feet, tower 4 no taller than 1200, tower 3 no taller than 1350 and tower 2 no taller than 1450, ill try to find the article, but in the mean time if that's still true, there's quite a bit of leeway, they should be able to make these towers taller or at least fit more office space in them?

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I remember reading somewhere way back that the plan called for tower 5 to be no taller than 900 feet, tower 4 no taller than 1200, tower 3 no taller than 1350 and tower 2 no taller than 1450, ill try to find the article,
Don't bother yourself - or us - with finding the article. The towers are as they are proposed now. Larry Silverstein is having trouble finding tenants for the towers at current sizes, so there's no reason to speculate on building anything larger.
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By David Stanke
October 30 - November 6

The Port Authority refuses to guarantee bank loans that Larry Silverstein needs to build two office towers at the World Trade Center site. This position defies reason. It provides no possibility of a positive outcome for the Port or Downtown. It is a betrayal of the public trust, of everything that was promised us. With no reasonable explanation for their position, we can only assume that the Port has a hidden agenda.

The Port Authority has many fine qualities and capable people. It was bestowed the W.T.C. site because it was an unstoppable force. The Port took 16 acres of historic New York buildings, tore them down and built the two tallest buildings in the world, a New York landmark. How could this same organization fail so badly at a site that has been empty for seven years?

This time, the Port is not the sole authority. The memorial controls about half of the site. Silverstein has the right to rebuild the commercial space. The Port is confined to the less glamorous pieces: infrastructure and a transportation hub.

This is a dramatic drop in standing for the Port, an organization accountable to almost no one. The massive and extravagantly costly W.T.C. Path Station is their object of pride. The Port is determined to build this $4 billion memorial to themselves.

Consider the financial implications of the Port’s strategy. It is undercutting development of two of the largest, most marketable buildings, Towers 2 and 4. It is funding and building the most expensive and least marketable building, W.T.C. 1 (Freedom Tower). The transportation hub can only be justified by more commuters coming to work in the area. W.T.C. retail also depends on commercial development to generate pre-9/11 revenue. Silverstein’s buildings are the glue that holds the site together.

The Port is not constrained in its options to build on the site. It got a couple billion dollars of federal money. For the rest, the Port can simply raise tolls on all existing commuters. The W.T.C. can be completed with just two towers but it will be a misappropriation of commuter and taxpayer funds on a Port Authority ego statement unjustified by principles of urban or financial planning.

If the Port takes control of the W.T.C., construction will drag out for years. There will be more delays (as with W.T.C. 1) and more budget shortfalls (as on every Port project). Full financial risk and management responsibility will fall on the Port.

The Port needs management help at the W.T.C. On W.T.C. 1, Silverstein has saved the Port Authority many times. Silverstein engaged architect David Childs to develop an inspired building and prepared the site for construction. When the Port blew the N.Y.P.D. security review process, Silverstein and Childs got it back on track with a new design. When the Port took over construction of W.T.C. 1, its many layers of bureaucracy and construction management brought work to a halt. With Silverstein in control, W.T.C. 1 could be near the 60th floor today. Tishman Construction started laying steel for the Goldman Sachs building within months of when they started on W.T.C. 1. Today, Goldman is fully enclosed. W.T.C. 1 is four stories of beams and concrete.

After blaming Silverstein for delays, the Port has been late to deliver every building site, a total of nearly 1,000 days of delays. The Port fired Phoenix, the construction project manager for the site. Construction people in the neighborhood complain about the uncertainty about when and where they will be able to work. Retail businesses are already struggling, and face further reductions in business.

For years, I have pleaded in public hearings for the Port to make fiscally responsible decisions to rebuild our neighborhood. They never heeded my warnings of pending financial crisis, but were infinitely willing to pander to every obstructionist special interest that showed up. They heeded the preservationists who belittled community pleas. The Port rarely expressed concern about the financial implications over years of decision making.

The current financial situation is not good. Port spending has no hope of generating incremental revenues. Silverstein could end up bailing on the site, ending the lease payments that the Port has been receiving since 9/11. Replacement of Silverstein is unlikely, will cause massive delays, and would serve no public good. The Port has already lost JPMorgan Chase as a tenant for W.T.C. 5. Even Westfield’s role in the retail space is not locked down. The Port is spending billions on infrastructure to support about 40% of the pre-9/11 commercial space.

If the Port backs bank loans for Silverstein, it could take advantage of Silverstein’s construction and management expertise, demonstrated on W.T.C. 7 and now at W.T.C. 4. The Port would not have to put up any additional funds for many years, if at all. My bet is on Silverstein to succeed, but if he fails, the Port would get the whole development. The risk to the Port is very low.

The Port must set aside its pride and control and become part of a team. Supporting Silverstein today would enhance its own fiscal position tomorrow. If not for Port delays, Silverstein might have already had the necessary funding. A loan guarantee today could atone for Port delays and give New York a spectacular W.T.C. One 9/11 lesson is that people are stronger and can accomplish more when they work together. I hope that the Port Authority understands this, before it is too late.

David Stanke lives across from the World Trade Center site and writes on Downtown issues. He was a consulting party to the Section 106 World Trade Center historic preservation process.
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Silverstein breaks the silence in W.T.C. dispute




By Julie Shapiro
October 30 - November 6, 2009


Developer Larry Silverstein sometimes thinks about leaving the quagmire of the World Trade Center site behind and casting off on his yacht, but he said he’s afraid that without him, the site will never get rebuilt.

“Without a push from the private sector to move this damn thing forward, it wouldn’t happen,” Silverstein said Wednesday at the RealShare New York real estate conference in Midtown.

Silverstein’s comments were among the first he has made on the Trade Center since he and the Port Authority entered arbitration this summer. Back then, in a well-publicized dispute, Silverstein charged that the Port was years behind on key infrastructure projects at the site, preventing Silverstein from building his three office towers on Church St. To compensate for the delays and the frozen credit markets, Silverstein wanted the Port to help him finance two of the Church St. towers. The Port offered some assistance, but said Silverstein needed to put in more money as well.

The argument has largely disappeared from the spotlight as Silverstein and the Port make their cases privately before an arbitration panel. As Silverstein pointed out Wednesday, “There’s not a hell of a lot I can say, for obvious reasons.” But he went on to speak about the World Trade Center for half an hour with moderator John Salustri, editorial director for the ALM-Real Estate Media Group.

One problem with rebuilding the Trade Center has been the revolving door of New York and New Jersey governors, who share control of the Port Authority, Silverstein said.

“Every time there’s a change of executive, there’s a change of agenda,” Silverstein said. “And every time there’s a change of agenda, it wreaks havoc with everything you’re trying to accomplish if you’re trying to hold a specific timeframe.”

Silverstein also criticized the Port Authority, though he started by saying they’re “not bad people.”

“The unfortunate thing,” Silverstein said, “is the people who built the Trade Center — the last major high-rise project they were involved with — are long since gone. And the people who are there today don’t have the experience, don’t have the ability, don’t have the comprehension of what it takes, the need for timely decisions.

“You know,” Silverstein continued, “the attitude is, ‘I’ll get back to you for the decision.’ Construction doesn’t wait for people who say, ‘I’ll get back to you.’ You need the decision now.”


Silverstein said he committed shortly after 9/11 to stay at the World Trade Center for 10 years to rebuild it. Now an optimistic estimate looks more like 17 years, but he said he’s not going anywhere.

“My attitude is you’ve gotta stay there,” Silverstein said. “On a daily basis, you’ve gotta make the decisions that you are required to make so the construction will flow unimpeded…. I want very much to be around to see it accomplished. So as far as I’m concerned, I’m going to stay right where I am.”

Silverstein said he was not worried that the Port would find a way to complete the project without him.

Silverstein expects the arbitration to finish before the end of the year. A source familiar with Silverstein’s position said a few months ago that the developer would ask the arbiters to award him at least $2.75 billion as compensation for Port delays and for all of the rent and insurance he has paid to the authority.

The panel just finished hearing two weeks of testimony from Silverstein and is now hearing two weeks from the Port, Silverstein said. If the panel rules in favor of Silverstein and forces the Port to give him the resources he needs to build the towers, Silverstein said the entire site with all three of his office towers could be complete by 2016.
The Port previously wanted Silverstein to only build Tower 4 and wait to build Towers 2 and 3 until the market improved.

A Port Authority spokesperson declined to comment on the arbitration but said in a statement, “We are 100 percent committed to restoring Downtown and continue to make important progress on all of the public projects on the site, including the 9/11 Memorial, which is our highest priority.” Previously, the Port has objected to risking billions of dollars on Silverstein’s private office towers, saying the expense would compromise the Port’s ability to complete public infrastructure projects elsewhere.

Silverstein also gave a brief update on 99 Church St., the fenced-off site next to the Woolworth Building that was supposed to be an 80-story condo and hotel tower run by the Four Seasons. Silverstein stopped construction on the tower this summer after finishing the foundation because he could not get a loan to continue building above street level.

“We’re going to have to be patient,” Silverstein said. “Four Seasons’ attitude is, ‘Hey, whenever it comes, it comes. We’re there, we’re ready.’”

Silverstein said he feels the same way and he expects to get a loan in 2011 and finish the building in 2013 or 2014.
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well this isn't the first time Port Authority had trouble with the WTC site
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Don't bother yourself - or us - with finding the article. The towers are as they are proposed now. Larry Silverstein is having trouble finding tenants for the towers at current sizes, so there's no reason to speculate on building anything larger.

oh youre right, i sure wouldnt want to bother you with my article and they're not building it for now, they're building it for later, silverstein wants to replace all the lost office space, if he could build bigger he would, if he wins the case why not?
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they're not building it for now, they're building it for later, silverstein wants to replace all the lost office space, if he could build bigger he would, if he wins the case why not?
I'm sure you're smarter than that, so I won't answer. But you will stop flooding these threads with your ridiculous statements. They are beyond annoying now.
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Well, at least it looks like the PA and Silverstein have tentatively agreed to focus on Tower 2 first. That's a start. Over the years Tower 3's design has really grown on me so I hope they don't scrap it.
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This very well might be a case of the PA waiting to see if Silverstein is going to buckle and give into their wants. By playing hardball with this they are simply trying to ‘crush his spirit’ so to speak. Silverstein is a very stubborn man though in the sense that he carries that old school ‘I don’t take crap from anyone’ attitude. With that for all we know the PA realizes that these towers will indeed amount to reality, and they’re simply trying to delay what should be the inevitable.

I really believe that the focus on Tower 2 will in a way pave the road for Tower 3. You can even say that Tower 2 might act as a guinea pig to see if that future demand that is spoken of will come to be. I personally believe it is because just like any market, it goes through cycles, and this is no different.

The times as Silverstein pointed out might have all to do with it as well. The people running the show over at the PA now may very well carry a different demeanor than the PA of the 1960’s which provided the original World Trade Center.

Think about it, times weren’t so great back then, but the ambition to build for the future was strong. Remember, the original plan was for the Twins to be 80 floors each, but it was later changed.

That kind of spirit is obviously not in the court of the current PA, but Silverstein doesn’t buy into that as an excuse. Nor should he. Frankly the PA is only going to entertain this for so long and eventually something’s got to give.

As I’ve said all along, we’ll see how this plays out, but I’m confident that we’ll see at least one of the two towers if not both.
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As I’ve said all along, we’ll see how this plays out, but I’m confident that we’ll see at least one of the two towers if not both.
Glad to read that !
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I really believe that the focus on Tower 2 will in a way pave the road for Tower 3. You can even say that Tower 2 might act as a guinea pig to see if that future demand that is spoken of will come to be. I personally believe it is because just like any market, it goes through cycles, and this is no different.
Remember, these towers were originally supposed to overlap with construction, not begin at the same time. Numerous Port Authority delays put us in the situation we are in now where all of the towers are behind schedule. But if one tower gets the green light before the other, it's Tower 2. Silverstein began limited work at the Tower 3 sight even as the PA continued to excavate the Tower 2 sight. Tower 2 was supposed to be built before even the Freedom Tower, but former governor Pataki insisted (rightly) that the tallest tower should be built first to reclaim the skyline. That led to Silverstein wanting to swap towers 1 and 2 physically on the site, which of course didn't happen.

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Silverstein expects the arbitration to finish before the end of the year. A source familiar with Silverstein’s position said a few months ago that the developer would ask the arbiters to award him at least $2.75 billion as compensation for Port delays and for all of the rent and insurance he has paid to the authority.

The panel just finished hearing two weeks of testimony from Silverstein and is now hearing two weeks from the Port, Silverstein said. If the panel rules in favor of Silverstein and forces the Port to give him the resources he needs to build the towers, Silverstein said the entire site with all three of his office towers could be complete by 2016.
But nobody is abandoning any of the towers. Even the PA is not insisting Siverstein not build all of the towers, they just don't agree that all of the work should begin now, and don't want to be involved with any of the financing. It's all just a matter of when as opposed to if.
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Maybe we'll see WTC2 one day but sure we can now see in NYC a ship forged from word trade center steel ....

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/USS-New-York-Sets-Her-Sights-on-Manhattan-68308207.html
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But nobody is abandoning any of the towers. Even the PA is not insisting Siverstein not build all of the towers, they just don't agree that all of the work should begin now, and don't want to be involved with any of the financing. It's all just a matter of when as opposed to if.
Can anyone reasonably count on Silverstein even being alive by 2016? He'll be what, 90 by then? Does he have partners or family members involved with his business that would carry on if something happened to him?

I was 38 when the towers were destroyed, and I'll be 53 by the time the skyline is restored, under the best case scenario. If somebody told me that back in October 2001, I would have been astonished.
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Can anyone reasonably count on Silverstein even being alive by 2016? He'll be what, 90 by then?
Death is something you never question. Silverstein is an old man, and has said he will dedicate himself to rebuilding the WTC. But who knows how many of us will be around to see it completed. Silvestein's son and daughter work for him, and I believe his daughter was heavily involved with the his Church St (30 Park Place0 tower.
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Besides, I believe it said somewhere that Silverstein was in his seventies, 75 if I remember correctly. And he's in good health. I'm not sure how six years adds up to 90.
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He could very well be alive in 6 years. There are older Wall Streeters out there, that's for sure.
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Besides, I believe it said somewhere that Silverstein was in his seventies, 75 if I remember correctly. And he's in good health. I'm not sure how six years adds up to 90.
I thought he was in his early 80's now, that's how. Glad to be wrong.
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Silverstein is 78.
He could be 28, and it still wouldn't matter as long as there is no financing in place to get these towers under construction. We'll see how the arbitration wraps up next month. Silverstein has a good chance of winning his case.
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By Eliot Brown
November 18, 2009

Anyone paging through the end of The Times' business section Wednesday might have noticed an unusual legal notice nestled in between the commercial real estate classifieds and a bank ad (a reader had to point it out to us):

NEW YORK LIBERTY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
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World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein, it seems, is eager to issue the $2.6 billion in tax-free bonds he was pledged to rebuild office towers at the site. The reason: the triple tax-exempt bonds meant to spur downtown development, dubbed "Liberty Bonds" in classic post-September 11 style, are slated to expire at the end of the year. The Port Authority, which has its own set of bonds, has been trying to get Congress to extend the expiration date. (The hearing, scheduled for Dec. 3 at the Museum of Jewish Heritage, would authorize final issuance of the bonds.)

So just what does Mr. Silverstein plan to do with the $2.6 billion he'd raise from the bonds?

The economic crisis and a lengthy stalemate have made this crucial question unanswerable, as the choices range from building nothing, to building one tower or building two (the Richard Rogers-designed Tower 3 is assumed to be kaput, at least for the next few years).

While these public hearings on bonds are rarely thrilling spectacle, one does wonder just what will be said about the unknown, given that the state board, the Liberty Development Corporation, is giving its final stamp on bonds worth hundreds of millions in tax savings.

To recap, here's some background:

For at least the past year, Mr. Silverstein has been locked in a negotiation-turned-dispute-turned-legal fight over the site's future. Unable to build the three towers he once committed to build (they relied on significant private financing, which is near-impossible, particularly with no private tenants to speak of), he is battling the Port Authority over his obligations.

Back in the spring and summer, the Port Authority, which owns the site, offered to back financing on one of Mr. Silverstein's towers; Mr. Silverstein demanded the backing of two, saying the agency owed him because of its lengthy delays.

Stalemate ensued.

Mr. Silverstein and the Port began a lengthy arbitration process at the end of the summer, consisting of a panel of three arbitrators who ultimately will make some sort of decision on the dispute between the two, though they can be as narrow or broad as they choose.

Settled in the former design studio on the 10th floor of Mr. Silverstein's 7 World Trade Center, the panel heard day after day of testimony from those involved with the site, and a decision of some sort is expected before the end of 2009.

But even once that decision comes, few expect the arbitrators to prescribe a solution over dates that resolves all the outstanding issues . By the current contract under dispute, Mr. Silverstein must complete all three of his towers within the next five years.
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