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sbarn · #**661** Posted **Oct 24, 2009, 6:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zapatan

well bye bye other towers...

WAY too early for that talk.

rich_200 · #**662** Posted **Oct 24, 2009, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zapatan

well bye bye other towers...

Your pessimism is starting to get annoying

CHAPINM1 · #**663** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 12:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by rich_200

Your pessimism is starting to get annoying

I second that, it's way beyond annoying...

larry141094 · #**664** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 4:22 AM**

If only larry owned the site...

hunser · #**665** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 12:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by larry141094

If only larry owned the site...

if only chinese owned the site... would be finished by now instead of discussing.

AtlantaMustang · #**666** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by hunser

if only chinese owned the site... would be finished by now instead of discussing.

Yeah.. thats exactly what we need at ground zero...

The North One · #**667** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 4:38 PM**

If china owned the site, the design of the tower would look like crap.

Dac150 · #**668** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 4:58 PM**

Alright guys....let’s not veer off the topic at hand here..

Dac150 · #**669** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 5:02 PM**

And there’s no reason to speculate in either direction for either of the two towers as it is way too early. As I’ve said many times, let’s wait and see how this plays out.

NYC4Life · #**670** Posted **Oct 25, 2009, 9:10 PM**

We'll have a good indication of the direction these two towers could be headed towards once the arbitration panel reaches a decision soon, hopefully in favor of Silverstein.

Hed Kandi · #**671** Posted **Oct 26, 2009, 3:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by hunser

if only chinese owned the site... would be finished by now instead of discussing.

It may be finished, but it would also laced with lead and melamine.

NYguy · #**672** Posted **Oct 27, 2009, 1:00 PM**

^ Again, keep it on topic....

http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2009/oct...ssumes-silverstein-towers-wont-rise.html

Port Authority’s ‘Plan B’ Assumes Silverstein Towers Won't Rise

By Matt Dunning

As the Port Authority-Larry Silverstein quarrel over construction funding continues to slog its way through arbitration, Port Authority officials are preparing for the day when Silverstein could give up on his three planned office towers at the World Trade Center site.

The agency’s Board of Directors voted earlier this month to spend $20 million on a “Plan B” design for the site’s eastern half, one that assumes Silverstein’s Towers 2 and 3 are never constructed. Those towers, on hold because Silverstein has not been able to secure financing, were to house most of the mechanical, electrical and plumbing components for the Port Authority’s transportation hub.

Plan B will redistribute the utilities for the transit hub, as well as alter some of the underground construction that had been planned for the eastern part of the site, an agency official said. If Silverstein were to back out without the plan in place, the Port Authority’s recent progress at the site could come to a dead halt.

The new plan would not alter any of the “signature elements” of the Santiago Calatrava-designed train station, One World Trade Center or any of the Authority’s other projects on the site.

“We gave the public a roadmap on how we would get the site’s public projects on track and asked them to hold us accountable,” Port Authority executive director Christopher Ward said in a statement. “We take that responsibility very seriously and are continuing to take the necessary steps to ensure that our projects move forward.”

A spokesman for Silverstein declined to comment on the Authority’s plan.

Silverstein and the Port Authority are battling, through arbitration, over development rights and allegedly blown deadlines. Silverstein has claimed that he believes the Authority’s late turnover of the sites for the towers—by more than a year—cost him the opportunity to secure loans to build his towers before the country’s credit market caved in.

The Authority, meanwhile, has argued that low demand for commercial space in Lower Manhattan is the true reason Silverstein has not been able to finance the towers’ construction.

The independent panel mediating the squabble is expected to make its decision by the end of the year.

fleonzo · #**673** Posted **Oct 27, 2009, 4:02 PM**

I have been saying for a long time that Silverstien should have scratched the efforts to build two towers- 2 & 3 (mainly because of the b/s surrounding this mess) and focused more on the one he's building now (twr 4) and build as high or higher than twr 1...mainly to stick it the P/A and to the original idiot Leibskind/Pataki who came up with this layout! But more importantly (moving on) I think that Twr 1 is coming along nicely...finally...and a massive twr 4 would certainly rival what was there before IMHO!!!

meh_cd · #**674** Posted **Oct 27, 2009, 6:45 PM**

Unfortunately, Tower 4 is the bland tower. If we were talking about making Tower 2 or 3 huge I would support it, but 4 does not deserve to be larger than the original towers. The plain look is fine for a smaller tower (the size it is supposed to be) but not an exceedingly large one.

fleonzo · #**675** Posted **Oct 27, 2009, 7:18 PM**

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Unfortunately, Tower 4 is the bland tower. If we were talking about making Tower 2 or 3 huge I would support it, but 4 does not deserve to be larger than the original towers. The plain look is fine for a smaller tower (the size it is supposed to be) but not an exceedingly large one.

Well to be acurate I was saying the same thing in that Twr 2 or 3 should be combined into one large twr but the reality now is that Silverstein is only buidling Twr 4....it's easier to make it better and taller than to continue this b/s!!

NYguy · #**676** Posted **Oct 28, 2009, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by fleonzo

I have been saying for a long time that Silverstien should have scratched the efforts to build two towers- 2 & 3 (mainly because of the b/s surrounding this mess) and focused more on the one he's building now (twr 4) and build as high or higher than twr 1...

I don't know why you folks are forgetting there is a site plan in place, but Silverstein has to build accordingly. The towers are his to design, but they have a very specific site plan to follow, including space distribution.

meh_cd · #**677** Posted **Oct 28, 2009, 9:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

I don't know why you folks are forgetting there is a site plan in place, but Silverstein has to build accordingly. The towers are his to design, but they have a very specific site plan to follow, including space distribution.

No kidding?

I'd say that the plan is flexible when you take into account that they was serious talk of making Tower 3 larger (and I assume taller) than Tower 2.

Zapatan · #**678** Posted **Oct 29, 2009, 2:05 AM**

If silverstein wants extra office space sooner why not just add more office floors to 1wtc? there are like 20 mechanical floors in that building, surely that can't be necessary. there is space to add office floors to the mid 90's before the observatory and still have room for an observatory.

NYguy · #**679** Posted **Oct 29, 2009, 7:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by meh_cd

No kidding?

I'd say that the plan is flexible when you take into account that they was serious talk of making Tower 3 larger (and I assume taller) than Tower 2.

Not that flexible. Silverstein needed to get special approval for a slightly taller tower 3, and that was contingent on him getting a specific tenant for the building. It would not have been taller than tower 2 in either case. It would have been the largest of the new WTC towers.

NYguy · #**680** Posted **Oct 29, 2009, 2:09 PM**

http://www.globest.com/news/1527_1527/newyork/181896-1.html

Downturn Veterans Stress Survival Skills

By Paul Bubny and Cody Lyon
October 29, 2009

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Meanwhile, the city’s fundamentals are still in better shape than many had feared. Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York, noted that 96,000 jobs have been lost in the current downturn, out of a projected 150,000. "I think we all expected worse," said Spinola, noting that some laid-off Wall Streeters have since established financial services start-ups.

However, Spinola expressed concern that the specter of higher taxes and proposed rent-control guidelines for the commercial sector are drags on a recovery. "Some companies will pay anything to stay in New York City, but most look at the bottom line," he said.

An "Up Close with…" one-on-one discussion with Larry Silverstein, president and CEO of Silverstein Properties Inc., emphasized the developer’s drive and commitment to get SPI’s three World Trade Center towers built. When the redeveloped WTC is complete, Silverstein predicted, it will "change the dynamic of the area totally, and for the better," doing for Downtown what Rockefeller Center did for Midtown in the 1930s.

At present, SPI is in arbitration proceedings with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which Silverstein said is intended "to clear the path for building the Trade Center. It is, at the moment, years behind schedule." John Salustri, editorial director of ALM’s Real Estate Media Group, moderated the half-hour discussion.