Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[esquire]

Maybe this is heresy, but I don't consider BC Place to be anything other than a nicely renovated stadium either.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by esquire

Maybe this is heresy, but I don't consider BC Place to be anything other than a nicely renovated stadium either.

agreed. Actually as time keeps passing and CFL specific stadiums keep being rolled out, BC place is losing its appeal to me. I'm hoping after/If the Whitecaps get a stadium they do somthing to make it more CFL freindly. removing some of the endzone seating would be a great start

[Steveston]

To end this silly reno vs. new-build argument, it's clear that BC Place is a reno. Full stop.

However, as a Lions STH for almost 20 years, I can tell you without any reservation that the BC Place renovation has dramatically improved the experience of game attendees. The addition of the roof and scoreboard have been game-changers. Sitting in the humid, overheated environment of the pre-reno was brutal on hot July and August evenings. Now, the pleasant breezes and mild temperatures with the roof open on a clear summer evening changes everything.

The scoreboard is an orders-of-magnitude improvement over the single end zone mounted screen. Now everyone has a good, hi-def view of replays.

The concourse is better, with the addition of dozens of monitors and some large wall-sized screens to catch the action while in the concession lineups.

The entry/exit is so much easier, without the airlocks to navigate.

And for the life of me, I don't get the hate for end zone seats. I prefer them, and removing my seats in favour of a drunks' deck would be a huge step down, in my opinion.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by Steveston

To end this silly reno vs. new-build argument, it's clear that BC Place is a reno. Full stop.

However, as a Lions STH for almost 20 years, I can tell you without any reservation that the BC Place renovation has dramatically improved the experience of game attendees. The addition of the roof and scoreboard have been game-changers. Sitting in the humid, overheated environment of the pre-reno was brutal on hot July and August evenings. Now, the pleasant breezes and mild temperatures with the roof open on a clear summer evening changes everything.

The scoreboard is an orders-of-magnitude improvement over the single end zone mounted screen. Now everyone has a good, hi-def view of replays.

The concourse is better, with the addition of dozens of monitors and some large wall-sized screens to catch the action while in the concession lineups.

The entry/exit is so much easier, without the airlocks to navigate.

And for the life of me, I don't get the hate for end zone seats. I prefer them, and removing my seats in favour of a drunks' deck would be a huge step down, in my opinion.

Fair enough I'm not saying the reno didnt change the game for BC place. I just don't think it suites the lions/CFL very well. I think the upper deck endzone seats could be cut in favour of the party decks which are the future of pro sports (like it or not) Or maybe just remove that concrete all together and open the concourse? Also On the upper deck seats you can easily block the last 15 rows off with a pull down tarp to flush them off with those 2 (media rooms??). That would hide 5000-6500 seats or so without permanently losing them. I think 33K-35K would be better for the lions with the ability to expand to 40,000 for bigger events

Also the last ten rows of the bottom deck side line seats could be turned into premium loge areas.

[Oilkountry]

Not sure how old these are but heres some pics of the "log cabin" at TD place. It's cool but i feel like it could have been designed better

http://www.ottawaredblacks.com/2016/06/29/subaru-log-cabin-photos/

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by Steveston

To end this silly reno vs. new-build argument, it's clear that BC Place is a reno. Full stop.

However, as a Lions STH for almost 20 years, I can tell you without any reservation that the BC Place renovation has dramatically improved the experience of game attendees. The addition of the roof and scoreboard have been game-changers. Sitting in the humid, overheated environment of the pre-reno was brutal on hot July and August evenings. Now, the pleasant breezes and mild temperatures with the roof open on a clear summer evening changes everything.

The scoreboard is an orders-of-magnitude improvement over the single end zone mounted screen. Now everyone has a good, hi-def view of replays.

The concourse is better, with the addition of dozens of monitors and some large wall-sized screens to catch the action while in the concession lineups.

The entry/exit is so much easier, without the airlocks to navigate.

And for the life of me, I don't get the hate for end zone seats. I prefer them, and removing my seats in favour of a drunks' deck would be a huge step down, in my opinion.

I definitely agree. BC Place looks entirely different both inside and out. Might be a renovation, but everything about it feels like a new stadium.

Also agree about party decks. I'm not sure how succesfull they are, and if they are successful, then you can't argue with them. But damn, I really don't understand their appeal and can't imagine why anybody would ever want to be there. Even looking at it from a party perspective where you don't even care about watching the game: does anyone really want to stand for 3 hours straight with beer a long ways away where you can only carry back 2 beers at a time?

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I definitely agree. BC Place looks entirely different both inside and out. Might be a renovation, but everything about it feels like a new stadium.

Also agree about party decks. I'm not sure how succesfull they are, and if they are successful, then you can't argue with them. But damn, I really don't understand their appeal and can't imagine why anybody would ever want to be there. Even looking at it from a party perspective where you don't even care about watching the game: does anyone really want to stand for 3 hours straight with beer a long ways away where you can only carry back 2 beers at a time?

I'm going to imagine youre not in the age range of 18-29 then? The party decks arent made for 40-60 year olds

[Ron Jeremy]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Not sure how old these are but heres some pics of the "log cabin" at TD place. It's cool but i feel like it could have been designed better

http://www.ottawaredblacks.com/2016/06/29/subaru-log-cabin-photos/

Who designed this? High school co-op students?

[HomerSPC]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy

Who designed this? High school co-op students?

Interns

[Coldrsx]

Pizza Pizza versus Rogers Place

14months 9 days call it.

April 25, 2015

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/animindigo/-440400f5d1a289f5_zps4v8swbib.jpg

July 3, 2016

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/ss211/animindigo/AR-160709955_zps4gzsrsi9.jpg

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Was very curious to see how Rogers Place here in Edmonton compares.

March 10, 2014

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7428/13076386224_30ca6659de_b.jpg

+14 months, 9 Days.
May 19, 2015
Closes I could find is May 14, 2015

http://i.imgur.com/iVcgbGM.png?1


http://i.imgur.com/p1ndpxC.png

[Riise]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

Also agree about party decks. I'm not sure how succesfull they are, and if they are successful, then you can't argue with them. But damn, I really don't understand their appeal and can't imagine why anybody would ever want to be there. Even looking at it from a party perspective where you don't even care about watching the game: does anyone really want to stand for 3 hours straight with beer a long ways away where you can only carry back 2 beers at a time?

The emergence of party decks is part of the lifecycle of terraces and their re-emergence across the Western world. They started off as the cheap tickets for working class folk and often became the most boisterous sections of stadiums. With the cost of attending sporting events constantly rising it cannot be a surprise that younger crowds are open to alternatives.

If you attend a football match at an all-seater stadium in the UK, the supporters in the noisiest sections with the best atmosphere are already standing. Why not remove the seats and provide a safe standing section? Seats are like the single family dwellings of stadiums, lodges and terraces are the row houses and condos providing additional options.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by osmo

** I am a big fan of the MSG roof. I wish and hope the new Ottawa arena does something similar since this new arena is supposed to be a performance hall as well.

Obviously far from final design, but page 39.

http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/default/files/pubs/rendezvous-lebreton-bi.pdf

I'm not arguing the new vs. reno of MSG (my vote is new since only the shell and ceiling were retained, otherwise completely new layout and structure), but what I don't understand is how they could fit this new, modern arena in the old shell? You can' take say the Saddledome, Rexall or, we'll go back in time here, the Forum and rebuild a new arena inside with modern conveniences. There is a limit of space. You can't add seats, washrooms and expand the concourse, add luxury boxes and a modern press box. You're constrained to the volume of the old building.

At least with Soldier Field, they could build up and out.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremy

Under no circumstances should td place be considered "brand new"

Other than the "CalgaryNEXT" people, no one is calling TD Place, or even less so the Civic Centre, a brand new facility.

Stadium; nice renovation and re-build of south side bleachers.

Civic; half-assed... I don't even know.

[odogfo]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Obviously far from final design, but page 39.

http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/sites/default/files/pubs/rendezvous-lebreton-bi.pdf

I'm not arguing the new vs. reno of MSG (my vote is new since only the shell and ceiling were retained, otherwise completely new layout and structure), but what I don't understand is how they could fit this new, modern arena in the old shell? You can' take say the Saddledome, Rexall or, we'll go back in time here, the Forum and rebuild a new arena inside with modern conveniences. There is a limit of space. You can't add seats, washrooms and expand the concourse, add luxury boxes and a modern press box. You're constrained to the volume of the old building.

At least with Soldier Field, they could build up and out.

I love looking at rendering like these. I know this is off topic from the stadium thread but are the condos in the proposal a realistic expectation? Are they all getting built concurrently with the arena or is this only a 10+ year vision or something?

[odogfo]

Here's an article about the stadiums built and renovated for the Brazil World Cup of Soccer, some of these stadiums have solar roofs that produce enough energy to power neighboring communities. It would be nice to see new stadiums in Canada have similar energy efficient features.
http://inhabitat.com/how-brazils-12-world-cup-stadiums-hit-or-missed-their-green-goals/

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Originally Posted by Riise

The emergence of party decks is part of the lifecycle of terraces and their re-emergence across the Western world. They started off as the cheap tickets for working class folk and often became the most boisterous sections of stadiums. With the cost of attending sporting events constantly rising it cannot be a surprise that younger crowds are open to alternatives.

If you attend a football match at an all-seater stadium in the UK, the supporters in the noisiest sections with the best atmosphere are already standing. Why not remove the seats and provide a safe standing section? Seats are like the single family dwellings of stadiums, lodges and terraces are the row houses and condos providing additional options.

There's quite a few examples of "safe standing" sections in European stadia now e.g Glasgow Celtic

[Riise]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

There's quite a few examples of "safe standing" sections in European stadia now e.g Glasgow Celtic

Yup. In some countries (e.g. Germany), they never banished terraces. However, Celtic Park is an example of their re-emergence in countries that did get rid of their terraces. Although Celtic Park is in Scotland, ten years ago I wouldn't have had much confidence of a football ground in the UK getting a safe standing section.

[SteelTown]

The new Coors Banquet Bar opened this season at Tim Hortons Field


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[SHOFEAR]

mmmmm You guys get Banquet...no fair.

[Jay in Cowtown]

No shit! I hope McMahon is selling Banquet... I hate they only have Coors Light & that Rig Pig Piss - Molson Canadian!

Thank Christ the dome is a Budweiser Arena!