Great Canadian Skyline Thread II

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Not convinced. Perhaps one of the Edmonton forumers who are involved with developers could chime in regarding incentives.

Just look around you, maybe? Ice District, subsidized project, including one tower leased out by the City of Edmonton. EPCOR, a government owned utility. Government project.

Again, there's no shame in it. But if you're going to call out cities on the basis that some office projects have public funding involved, then at least be honest about what's going on in your own city. Otherwise it's the worst kind of SSP boosterism.

[Jaws]

Originally Posted by esquire

Just look around you, maybe? Ice District, subsidized project, including one tower leased out by the City of Edmonton. EPCOR, a government owned utility. Government project.

EPCOR tower is not part of Ice District at all.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Jaws

EPCOR tower is not part of Ice District at all.

Where did I say that it was?

[saffronleaf]

Originally Posted by someone123

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Gorgeous. Thanks for getting the thread back on topic.

[Jaws]

nm

[Coldrsx]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Not convinced. Perhaps one of the Edmonton forumers who are involved with developers could chime in regarding incentives.

Chiming in.

Edmonton has a large public sector and yes, that impacts development, but we are also the Capital of this great Province and are fortunate to have multiple public/cultural projects as well.

[Urban recluse]

Esquire lives in a city where nothing gets built without public money, and he is trying to make Winnipeg look better by attempting to argue that the same exists in Edmonton. Of course office developments for public sector workers will involve public money; cultural too.

Let's talk residential. In Winnipeg, NOTHING gets built without incentives/tax schemes. As far as I know, the only incentives that were offered in Edmonton were to spur the development of 104th Street years ago.

The press is quick to highlight incentives when projects are announced, and I do not read or hear about this in Edmonton.

The bottom line too is public money spent in Edmonton attracts significant private investment. The arena in Winnipeg has attracted nothing until now with TNS, which in itself is partially financed by public money.

If I am wrong, serve me crow.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Esquire lives in a city where nothing gets built without public money, and he is trying to make Winnipeg look better by attempting to argue that the same exists in Edmonton. Of course office developments for public sector workers will involve public money; cultural too.

Let's talk residential. In Winnipeg, NOTHING gets built without incentives/tax schemes. As far as I know, the only incentives that were offered in Edmonton were to spur the development of 104th Street years ago.

The press is quick to highlight incentives when projects are announced, and I do not read or hear about this in Edmonton.

The bottom line too is public money spent in Edmonton attracts significant private investment. The arena in Winnipeg has attracted nothing until now with TNS, which in itself is partially financed by public money.

If I am wrong, serve me crow.

The reality is that public dollars are a big part of what has gone on in downtown Edmonton and downtown Winnipeg in recent years, it's really just a difference of degrees.

Cold's take on it is reasonable as there is no sense in denying the obvious. The urban landscape in both cities has benefitted from public investment so I'm not sure what purpose denials even serve.

As to arena spinoff developments, you're forgetting Centrepoint.

[Urban recluse]

Another project built because of TIF.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Another project built because of TIF.

Which project?

[Urban recluse]

Centrepoint.

[esquire]

^ The TIF money from that project is used by the city for streetscaping projects around the SHED.

If you think that the TIF is a subsidy to the developer that Centrepoint is wholly dependent on, then I'm not really sure what to say to you...

[Urban recluse]

Wrong choice of words; it was the residential development grant.

[Monolith]

Vancouver's Lights by Clayton Perry, on Flickr

[jakethesnake]

Originally Posted by esquire

Just look around you, maybe? Ice District, subsidized project, including one tower leased out by the City of Edmonton. EPCOR, a government owned utility. Government project.

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AFAIK Ice District wasn't subsidized, Rogers Place was.

[240glt]

^ well one might say that strong-arming the city into moving the city offices into a brand new tower with the highest lease rates in the city might be considered a bit of a subsidy...

[GlassCity]

Pretty sure that, at least for downtown residential, Winnipeg subsidizes units on average 3-4x more than Edmonton does. But both still do.

[Urban recluse]

Check with the City of Edmonton planning Department; you will be told otherwise. The only incentive I am aware of is the brownfield one which helps with high costs of remediation.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Check with the City of Edmonton planning Department; you will be told otherwise. The only incentive I am aware of is the brownfield one which helps with high costs of remediation.

City of Edmonton provided a per unit subsidy that got a number of downtown apartment buildings built in the late '90's-early 2000's. The city also invested a significant amount of money getting 104th street cleaned up to a point where developers were willing to build there. Until recently Edmonton also had the Cornerstones program which subsidized affordable units in market rate apartment buildings. That program will be back soon under a new name with somewhat the same mandate

[CountryMike]

Originally Posted by someone123

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This angle of Halifax deserves to be seen again.