O-Train Line 1/3 [ Stage 2 | East Extension | Blair to Trim] | U/C

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I still find the station density in Orleans south of Innes extremely high.

Tenth Line to Millennium is about 3 km, and five stations are proposed. That's a station every 600 m.

Isn't that similar to inner city Paris métro station density?

i gather those are BRT stops and won't be anything elaborate.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by zzptichka

Take that Uhuniau and other public art haters!

Very pro-safety, though!

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I still find the station density in Orleans south of Innes extremely high

Perhaps, but it's also BCT, so whatevs. I don't see the problem with 500m station densities.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I still find the station density in Orleans south of Innes extremely high.

Tenth Line to Millennium is about 3 km, and five stations are proposed. That's a station every 600 m.

Isn't that similar to inner city Paris métro station density?

For the south Orleans corridor (Cumberland Transitway), the thick blue line is fully grade separated and the double thin blue lines are essentially bus lanes or Baseline BRT style I imagine, so I'm fine with the density. That said, I'm surprised the City hadn't reserved the corridor all the way to Millennium for full grade separation.

I take issue with the infill stations between Place d'Orleans and Trim, with 500 meters between each, while in central Ottawa along walkable, dense (and getting denser) areas (LeBreton to Lincoln Fields), stations are spaced at 1 to 1.5 kilometers, with the exception of Westboro and Kitchi Sibi.

[Catenary]

The difference between LRT and BRT stations is that an LRT stops at every one, while BRT only stops when people want to board or alight. That'll make BRT run a bit slower at peak, but will make it more convenient off peak with little detriment. There's a tipping point of course.

[J.OT13]

The new 174 overpasses over Montreal Road are now open. Significant progress on the Gloucester High flyover, with most piers now complete and work on the ramp (which will bring the flyover down to the highway median) has started. 

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I still find the station density in Orleans south of Innes extremely high.

Tenth Line to Millennium is about 3 km, and five stations are proposed. That's a station every 600 m.

Isn't that similar to inner city Paris métro station density?

It's an at-grade busway, so I don't think the "station" spacing is unreasonable- basically a bus stop at the intersection of each collector road.

That said, I'm surprised the City hadn't reserved the corridor all the way to Millennium for full grade separation.

I thought the EA for the Cumberland Transitway was done for full grade-separation, but it looks like they might be looking to build it at grade (which I think would be perfectly fine). I'm still questioning what the value really will be. There will still need to be bus routes on Innes and Brian Coburn, so is this corridor really necessary?

[TransitZilla]

It seems the new Montreal Rd overpasses are completed and the old ones are set for demolition the weekend of December 5-6.

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-developmen...g-demolish-highway-montreal-road-bridges

Project Spotlight: Stage 2 crews preparing to demolish Highway Montreal Road Bridges
Stage 2 crews preparing to demolish Highway Montreal Road Bridges
Over the past year, residents in Ottawa’s east end have seen a great deal of transformation between Blair Road and Trim Road as part of the Stage 2 LRT O-Train East Extension.

The main objective in 2020 has been relocating infrastructure in the Highway 174 corridor to set the stage for track and station construction in the median. Crews have been busy relocating highway lanes and access ramps. Early relocation efforts have allowed for construction to begin on permanent structures. Columns are being built at the East Flyover and two new bridges have been constructed at the Highway 174 Montreal Road interchange following the relocation of seven highway ramps.

This year’s grand finale will take place at the Highway 174 Montreal Road interchange when crews demolish two bridges to make way for the future Montreal Station.



How will the bridges be demolished?

Bridge demolition does not include a wrecking ball, or dynamite and a charger that Wile E. Coyote might have considered if he were responsible for the demolition, but rather a strategic approach to safely dismantle the old bridges over the course of a weekend.

The first step of bridge demolition will be closing off access to pedestrians, cyclists and motorists by securing the area with fencing. Montreal Road will be completely closed beneath Highway 174 for a full weekend, from Friday December 4 at 8:00 PM until Monday December 7 at 5:00 AM. This includes the two vehicular lanes in each direction, pathways, and transit service under the bridge.

There will be lots of signage in the area advising the public of the closure and where to detour to get from one side of the bridge to the other. A shuttle service, operating every 5 minutes, will provide a pedestrian connection from one side of Montreal Road to the other. Considering the anticipated travel times, average travel times will be increased by approximately 10 minutes.

Once the site has been safely secured, demolition will begin on the two bridge decks in the middle, working outwards towards the edge. Construction machinery on top of the bridge will chip away at the top of the deck. Once the deck has been removed, the skeleton of the old bridge (steel girders and beams) will be taken down by excavators with hydraulic shears. To complete the works, the centre piers will also be removed.

Once the road below has been cleaned of any debris, fencing and barriers are removed, lines are repainted and Montreal Road is reinstated for public use.

Facts

1,456 m3 of concrete to be demolished
160 metric tonnes of steel to be removed
Various pieces of large construction equipment fitted with hydraulic hammers, buckets, forks and shears.
2 water trucks will also be on-site for dust control.

Montreal Road Station

The platform of Montreal Road Station will be in the median of Highway 174, above Montreal Road where the bridges that were demolished were located. The platform spans above Montreal Road with bus stops located on both sides of Montreal Road beneath the station.



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[CityTech]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I thought the EA for the Cumberland Transitway was done for full grade-separation, but it looks like they might be looking to build it at grade (which I think would be perfectly fine). I'm still questioning what the value really will be. There will still need to be bus routes on Innes and Brian Coburn, so is this corridor really necessary?

I live about a 5 minute walk away from one of the projected stations and I also agree that it's value is minimal. Bus lanes and priority measures on Innes and Brian Coburn would do more for the area. If we wanted to build something more elaborate, a Finch West style LRT on Innes would be preferable.

The 25 bus route on Innes is very well used and is a very useful bus route connecting numerous retail areas in South Orleans as well as the fairly densely populated (by suburban standards) southern Blackburn area, and is a frequent route with extensive hours of service with service continuing well past midnight. I worry that this BRT project if built would be an excuse to gut frequency and/or operating hours on the 25.

[J.OT13]

Media event at future Montreal Road station. Old highway overpass will be demolished this weekend to make way for Confederation Line RoW and station.

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[J.OT13]

Video of Montreal Station progress.

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[J.OT13]

https://twitter.com/StephenBlais/status/1334952851089608704


https://twitter.com/mflalonde/status/1334951041067077635

[J.OT13]

https://twitter.com/TimTierney/status/1335649612649144320

[J.OT13]

Before and after.


https://twitter.com/TimTierney/status/1335986848712302594

and after... Can't wait to see the progress next year.


https://www.railfans.ca/otrain/line-1-stations/montreal

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

and after... Can't wait to see the progress next year.


https://www.railfans.ca/otrain/line-1-stations/montreal

We already know that image is a bit of out of date, because the Connectivity plan shows cycle tracks on Montreal Rd under the 174 rather than the floating bike lane shown in that picture.

Though I still think the station is in the middle of nowhere and it should have been at Jasmine instead, it looks like it's going to be pretty nice.

[J.OT13]

I wish they would have cleaned-up the highway ramp situation to make cycling/walking a safer, more pleasant experience. As a transit rider transferring between bus and rail, it does seem like it will be a decent experience. Better than most transfer stations thanks to the (unless it changes) brightly lit, fully covered bus platform.

[J.OT13]

Shane from O-Train Fans asked Pat Scrimgeour for some clarification on service patterns post-Stage 2. Here are his responses:

https://www.railfans.ca/otrain/news/stage-2-lrt-service-patterns-for-o-train-lines-1-3

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I wish they would have cleaned-up the highway ramp situation to make cycling/walking a safer, more pleasant experience. As a transit rider transferring between bus and rail, it does seem like it will be a decent experience. Better than most transfer stations thanks to the (unless it changes) brightly lit, fully covered bus platform.

I'm still not sure how many buses will actually connect here. Will they be truncating routes that currently end at Blair to stop here instead?

And AFAIK there are no plans for a bus turn-around loop or anything like that... without that I don't know how any route could have a terminus here.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I'm still not sure how many buses will actually connect here. Will they be truncating routes that currently end at Blair to stop here instead?

And AFAIK there are no plans for a bus turn-around loop or anything like that... without that I don't know how any route could have a terminus here.

I agree. I'm not sure how this will work. The only way to turn around a bus would be through a highway detour. Having a bus route through the station is also unlikely; I don't see a Beacon Hill-St-Joseph route as a high demand route. A Blair-Beacon Hill-Blackburn might work, but I'm not sold. Looking forward to seeing how they will utilize this station, and every station on the east extension for that matter.

[JCL]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I agree. I'm not sure how this will work. The only way to turn around a bus would be through a highway detour. Having a bus route through the station is also unlikely; I don't see a Beacon Hill-St-Joseph route as a high demand route. A Blair-Beacon Hill-Blackburn might work, but I'm not sold. Looking forward to seeing how they will utilize this station, and every station on the east extension for that matter.

Before Route Optimization in September 2011, there was a Route 127 (now Route 31) and 128 (now Route 28) that operated between Montreal Road/RR174 and Blair via Montreal Road, Ogilvie Road, Blair Road to Blair Station.

Perhaps Routes 28 and 31, in the future, the Planning Department could consider having those bus routes extended to Blair via those existing road network like in the past?