Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by king10

Ya my point exactly. $200-300 million is anything but "easily"

also anfield never had a temporary roof or temprary seats. They built the new roof and stand over the old roof and stand and tore down the old stand and roof after the season.

Also again go back to my seating breakdown. There isnt room for 60,000 seats.

The large parking area to the East has tons of space. Look at where Anfield is located, they can easily adjust and reconfigure parking accordingly much easier in the CNE grounds.

[king10]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

The large parking area to the East has tons of space. Look at where Anfield is located, they can easily adjust and reconfigure parking accordingly much easier in the CNE grounds.

So tear down the brand new stand you just spent $120 million to build and build an even taller stand. Right. Again your understanding of "easily" is different than mine. When you have to spend $300 million to build a stand after you just spent $120 million on it isnt considered "easy" in my books. Also where would the top row of seats be in this hypothetical new new east stand of yours? In the clouds? The top row of the current east stand is already significantly high.

[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Off the grid games that are not part of the season ticket package are always a tougher sell in North America.

People here haven't gotten into the culture like elsewhere in the world where the fans still pack stadiums for friendlies and games for different competitions.

Exactly. People keep forgetting the MLS teams and the best supported NASL team (Ottawa Fury) have only been active consistently for less than 10 years. It's only now that the MLS league games are supported to the extent they are. In time, the other competitions will be as well (and they are steadily growing in popularity) but they will take more time.

In order of popularity I'd put the competitions as:

1. MLS
2. CONCACAF Champions League
3. Amway Canadian Championship
4. Friendlies with overseas teams

[Black Star]

Nice work on the stadium.....



cannot-soccer by BLACK STAR III, on Flickr

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[mistercorporate]

Originally Posted by king10

So tear down the brand new stand you just spent $120 million to build and build an even taller stand. Right. Again your understanding of "easily" is different than mine. When you have to spend $300 million to build a stand after you just spent $120 million on it isnt considered "easy" in my books. Also where would the top row of seats be in this hypothetical new new east stand of yours? In the clouds? The top row of the current east stand is already significantly high.

Add a 10,000 seat 3rd tier right behind and on top of it, nothing to tear down. Look at the stand behind the original one that was built in the 2nd Anfeld image. This is exactly why BMO Field incorporated these construction techniques. Relax with the over dramatic language, 200-300 mil for the parts for an incremental expansion is still better than building a brand new billion dollar stadium noone's going to need for decades.

[Oilkountry]

Stadiums and Arenas of Canada Thread part 2! Your one and only trusted source for soccer attendance statistics.

The "please validate us" thing is getting really old.

[king10]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Add a 10,000 seat 3rd tier right behind and on top of it, nothing to tear down. Look at the stand behind the original one that was built in the 2nd Anfeld image. This is exactly why BMO Field incorporated these construction techniques. Relax with the over dramatic language, 200-300 mil for the parts for an incremental expansion is still better than building a brand new billion dollar stadium noone's going to need for decades.

You can build a brand new 40,000 seat stadium for $300 million. Why waste that on a third tier on top of the east stand of bmo field that adds 10,000 seats.

Again i ask how high would this 10,000 seat third tier be? Would it be in the clouds?

Also who is talking about building a billion dollar stadium? Toronto doesnt need one of those.

Although its pretty ironic your tag line says 2028 summer olympics in toronto while making posts about how toronto doesnt need a billion dollar stadium "noones going to need for decades" summer olympic athletic stadiums usually cost close to a billion dollars and "noones going to need it for decades"

Can you "easily" convert bmo to an athletics stadium as well?

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by king10

You can build a brand new 40,000 seat stadium for $300 million. Not a third tier on top of the east stand of bmo field.

Again i ask how high would this 10,000 seat third tier be? Would it be in the clouds?

Also who is talking about building a billion dollar stadium? Toronto doesnt need one of those[/B].

que the soccer's growing popularity speech

"If TFC keeps growing like it has they will need a proper 250,000 seat stadium in 20 years"

[SaskScraper]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

World cup final= Big O

...Why are we even evaluating this? It's slated for a big renovation as is. Why would canada build a new 70,000 stadium when we have one that is going to be a money pit as is?

-Expanded saputo
-Rogers centre and (or) BMO (russia and qatar both using multiple venues in 1 city)
-BC place
-CWS
-THF
-TD place
-NMS
-New or refurbished Calgary stadium
-Possible a new stadium in Quebec city or Halifax

As it stands today with out a single stadium built (post mosiac) we would have the stadiums and cities necessary to host a world cup. The big O needs 200-300M. In repairs regardless of the world cup or not. To build a 70,000 seat "NFL" stadium for a month long soccer tournament would be a very unnecessary use of tax payer dollars. We could upgrade every stadium in this country and build a new one in Halifax and quebec for the same price.

I agree with your list of stadiums for a potential World Cup in Canada, We already have the stadiums,& with the needed upgrades Canadian Soccer Association president Victor Montagliani has already said so, he also said though in an interview last December Montreal “needs a new stadium” ..so it sounds like the Big Owe is out..

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/06/political-will-is-there-to-host-mens-world-cup-in-2026

Its extremely rare for a country to specifically build a new stadium for the World Cup Final, In the last half century its only happened twice and Canada isn't a Qatar that can build all new. That leaves us with BC place holding the Final or Commonwealth Stadium.

Take your pick of the two, BC Place newly renovated is amazing but slightly small for World Cup Final standards as compared to World Cup Final stadiums for the past 60 years so adding seating would probably have to happen for the Final.

Commonwealth Stadium is expandable either by completing the horse shoe for upper tier seating and/or digging out more of the field in lower bowl to add a couple dozen more rows of seating. Edmonton may not seem like an international city by world standards but its the best city we got for it, It has the fifth busiest airport in Canada with the third busiest just down the road & in the next few years it will have the second tallest skyline in the country.. and it is the city that supports its sports well enough to have the facilities to have a stadium built and maintained well enough to get the job done without breaking the bank. I have a feeling the whole country could get behind this just like how well the Women's World Cup was received in Edmonton.

[landpirate]

Originally Posted by king10

You can build a brand new 40,000 seat stadium for $300 million. Why waste that on a third tier on top of the east stand of bmo field that adds 10,000 seats.

Again i ask how high would this 10,000 seat third tier be? Would it be in the clouds?

Also who is talking about building a billion dollar stadium? Toronto doesnt need one of those.

Although its pretty ironic your tag line says 2028 summer olympics in toronto while making posts about how toronto doesnt need a billion dollar stadium "noones going to need for decades" summer olympic athletic stadiums usually cost close to a billion dollars and "noones going to need it for decades"

Can you "easily" convert bmo to an athletics stadium as well?

Did your wife leave you for another woman this morning? lol Mucho dramatico.

Relax, read the rest of this thread, some people have been advocating a new build 70,000 seat (aka $1 billion if we're going to be honest with ourselves) stadium. Building an Olympic sized stadium only comes into the picture if Toronto wins an Olympic bid, that's a whole other discussion, it's a potential World Cup bid that's being discussed here.

[king10]

Originally Posted by SaskScraper

I agree with your list of stadiums for a potential World Cup in Canada, We already have the stadiums,& with the needed upgrades Canadian Soccer Association president Victor Montagliani has already said so, he also said though in an interview last December Montreal “needs a new stadium” ..so it sounds like the Big Owe is out..

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/06/political-will-is-there-to-host-mens-world-cup-in-2026

Its extremely rare for a country to specifically build a new stadium for the World Cup Final, In the last half century its only happened twice and Canada isn't a Qatar that can build all new. That leaves us with BC place holding the Final or Commonwealth Stadium.

Take your pick of the two, BC Place newly renovated is amazing but slightly small for World Cup Final standards as compared to World Cup Final stadiums for the past 60 years so adding seating would probably have to happen for the Final.

Commonwealth Stadium is expandable either by completing the horse shoe for upper tier seating and/or digging out more of the field in lower bowl to add a couple dozen more rows of seating. Edmonton may not seem like an international city by world standards but It has the fifth busiest airport in Canada with the third busiest just down the road & in the next few years it will have the second tallest skyline in the country.. and it is the city that supports its sports well enough to have the facilities to have a stadium built and maintained well enough to get the job done without breaking the bank. I have a feeling the whole country could get behind this just like just how well the Women's World Cup was received in Edmonton.

Edmonton wouldnt host the final. Bc place cannot be expanded.

$500 million reno of the big O is a new stadium. If you tear everyhing back to the supporting strucuture and reno it like bc place it is essentially a new stadium.

Montagliani didnt literally mean build a new stadium from scratch in mtl. He meant olympic stadium would have to be essentially new like bc place was a new stadium.

[king10]

Originally Posted by landpirate

Did your wife leave you for another woman this morning? lol Mucho dramatico.

Relax, read the rest of this thread, some people have been advocating a new build 70,000 seat (aka $1 billion if we're going to be honest with ourselves) stadium. Building an Olympic sized stadium only comes into the picture if Toronto wins an Olympic bid, that's a whole other discussion, it's a potential World Cup bid that's being discussed here.

Yes ive been posting in this thread and its predecessor since 2009, i understand what has been discussed.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by SaskScraper

I agree with your list of stadiums for a potential World Cup in Canada, We already have the stadiums,& with the needed upgrades Canadian Soccer Association president Victor Montagliani has already said so, he also said though in an interview last December Montreal “needs a new stadium” ..so it sounds like the Big Owe is out..
:

You're giving a lot of weight to the semantics of single word in a single quote, from a guy who is far from controlling everything.

A fully renovated 70,000 seat Olympic Stadium would more than fit the bill, make no mistake.

Another thing is that Montreal will never build a new megastadium in the lifetime of anyone reading this thread.

I assume Montagliani knows this.

[SaskScraper]

^^ OOO..
..Kaaaaay…

..so without putting words into Victor Montagliani mouth or knowing exactly what he was thinking when he said 'new', but you think he really meant 'new' as in 'refurbished' but not 'new' as in.. 'new new new'
gotchya
..you guys sound like used-car-sales-people..
must be something lost in translation in this country
I don't buy it though, i'll take Victor's words as President of Canadian Soccer Association before anyone on SSP
..Where I come from new means new!!

[king10]

Originally Posted by SaskScraper

^^ OOO..
..Kaaaaay…

..so without putting words into Victor Montagliani mouth or knowing exactly what he was thinking when he said 'new', but you think he really meant 'new' as in 'refurbished' but not 'new' as in.. 'new new new'
gotchya
..you guys sound like used-car-sales-people..
must be something lost in translation in this country
I don't buy it though, i'll take Victor's words as President of Canadian Soccer Association before anyone on SSP
..Where I come from new means new!!

Victor wont be the president of the csa anymore. He is stepping down as he has been elected president of concacaf.

But hey i bought a car from a used car salesman. He seemed like a nice guy and my car hasnt fallen apart yet haha. Not all of them are bad!! Haha

[Oilkountry]

Hey MC I thought it was half ticat fans?

As of Tuesday, Argos ticket sales were up 1,244 per cent on StubHub year over year.

Having the Tiger-Cats as their opening opponent helps things, as Kelly pointed out that eight per cent of purchases are coming from Hamilton. But Toronto accounts for 18 per cent of sales, with Brampton, Mississauga (seven per cent each) and North York (four per cent) making up the top-five buying areas.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/argos...bhub-says.html

[osmo]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Hey MC I thought it was half ticat fans?

StubHub represents Re-sellers does it not?

Ticketmaster would be first sales versus speculators.

Maybe Stubhub is more generous with data than Ticketmaster, not sure.

The information shows that suburban fans still make up the lions share of Argos supporters.

[landpirate]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Hey MC I thought it was half ticat fans?

I love how you failed to include the last paragraph of that same puff piece article in your quote:

"The increased interest on secondary tickets is a good sign for the Argos as they get ready to settle into BMO Field, but Toronto FC remains the king of the roost. The MLS team’s 2016 home opener had out-sold the Argos by 710 per cent on StubHub as of Tuesday. "

https://www.thestar.com/sports/argos/2016/06/22/argos-season-opener-a-hot-ticket-stubhub-says.html

In other words, StubHub sales are meaningless for predicting stadium turnout and composition. I still don't know why people would even bother with StubHub as there are thousands of tickets still available on ticketmaster.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by landpirate

I love how you failed to include the last paragraph of that same puff piece article in your quote:

"The increased interest on secondary tickets is a good sign for the Argos as they get ready to settle into BMO Field, but Toronto FC remains the king of the roost. The MLS team’s 2016 home opener had out-sold the Argos by 710 per cent on StubHub as of Tuesday. "

https://www.thestar.com/sports/argos/2016/06/22/argos-season-opener-a-hot-ticket-stubhub-says.html

In other words, StubHub sales are meaningless for predicting stadium turnout and composition. I still don't know why people would even bother with StubHub as there are thousands of tickets still available on ticketmaster.

What does TFC stubhub sales have to do with how many people are buying Argos tickets from Hamilton?? Seriously who the f*ck said anything about TFC? This wasn't a TFC vs Argos subject. It was a "half of the fans buying Argos tickets are from Hamilton" subject and you for some reason dragged TFC numbers in as if more resales of TFC tickets vs argos is somehow impressive. That says nothing about numbers of ticket's sold it just means TFC tickets changed hands more often for 1 particular game.

Argos president said they are very close to a sell out and every ticket should be gone by kickoff on a Thursday evening. From looking at Ticket master I would say well under 1800 tickets remain.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by SaskScraper

..so without putting words into Victor Montagliani mouth or knowing exactly what he was thinking when he said 'new', but you think he really meant 'new' as in 'refurbished' but not 'new' as in.. 'new new new'

must be something lost in translation in this country
I don't buy it though, i'll take Victor's words as President of Canadian Soccer Association before anyone on SSP
..Where I come from new means new!!

Geez, could you get any more emoticons in there? I agree with king. Victor's a smart guy, he knows what's going on, either what he said was misinterpreted by the writer or he just assumed new meant a major refurb. The only reason they would build a new large stadium in Montreal would be if the Big O was coming down and I don't see that happening.