Canada Line | Completed

[s211]

Originally Posted by Gordon

It seems that there may be a fairbit of work to do at some of the stations if the line is going to open for B.C. Day Weekend.

I was thinking the same thing, too. Perhaps mid-August seems to be more realistic as a mid-point between the "public" Labour Day launch and the "inferred" BC Day launch?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by deasine

I don't think another Park & Ride will really do anything. The drivers that will forever stick to their cars are people who don't work, thus don't need to commute to work.

I find it funny that the Chinese (particularly the ones from Hong Kong) won't give up their cars but they grew up and practically lived in an environment where transit and walking was the only option.

Precisely why this is true. If you grew up in an environment where only the wealthy could afford to own a car, you're loathe to give it up when you [finally] have the opportunity in another country. So, you buy a BMW which is within reach in this country but way out of reach back home.

By and large, people are a product of their environment. If people grow up in an environment that rewards discourteous behavior, or indirectly encourages it, those are habits that are hard to break.

If a bunch of "Vancouverites" emigrated to Germany and all moved to a suburb of Dusseldorf, you'd find the Germans typecasting those darn Canadians as "stoopid Canuck drivers" when they have the audacity of passing a car on the right-hand side. You NEVER do that in Germany. In fact, if there is a car behind you, you MUST speed up or pull over to the right.

We don't really enforce that here.

However, we generally do enforce the rights of pedestrians [almost to a fault] where a car will stop to allow a pedestrian to jaywalk. In Britain, walking across a street at a non-designated location is a recipe for death.

All that being said, I think you'll find quite a few people still take the train. Richmond has tonnes of 2nd generation Canadians, too.

[officedweller]

It's the last because of the boring machine exit/entry shaft.
Maybe Olympic Village can be a "future station" (by 2 weeks?)

[racc]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

However, we generally do enforce the rights of pedestrians [almost to a fault] where a car will stop to allow a pedestrian to jaywalk. In Britain, walking across a street at a non-designated location is a recipe for death.

Just making sure you realize that even at intersections without marked crosswalks, drivers are required to stop for pedestrians unless there is a sign saying otherwise.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by racc

Just making sure you realize that even at intersections without marked crosswalks, drivers are required to stop for pedestrians unless there is a sign saying otherwise.

Yep. And people generally do. However, in many countries... they generally don't.

In fact, people will generally stop to let someone cross the road between intersections as well, which is not the safest thing to do.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by deasine

I don't think another Park & Ride will really do anything. The drivers that will forever stick to their cars are people who don't work, thus don't need to commute to work.

I find it funny that the Chinese (particularly the ones from Hong Kong) won't give up their cars but they grew up and practically lived in an environment where transit and walking was the only option.

Cost probably has a lot to do with it. Certainly in crowded European cities, cars simply aren't an option for people with even average incomes. Keep cranking up the carbon tax and/or local Translink taxes and pump the money into transit.

[NewfBC]

All of the stations don't have to open for the line to open. No?

Ron.

[agrant]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Precisely why this is true. If you grew up in an environment where only the wealthy could afford to own a car, you're loathe to give it up when you [finally] have the opportunity in another country. So, you buy a BMW which is within reach in this country but way out of reach back home.

By and large, people are a product of their environment. If people grow up in an environment that rewards discourteous behavior, or indirectly encourages it, those are habits that are hard to break.

If a bunch of "Vancouverites" emigrated to Germany and all moved to a suburb of Dusseldorf, you'd find the Germans typecasting those darn Canadians as "stoopid Canuck drivers" when they have the audacity of passing a car on the right-hand side. You NEVER do that in Germany. In fact, if there is a car behind you, you MUST speed up or pull over to the right.

We don't really enforce that here.
However, we generally do enforce the rights of pedestrians [almost to a fault] where a car will stop to allow a pedestrian to jaywalk. In Britain, walking across a street at a non-designated location is a recipe for death.

All that being said, I think you'll find quite a few people still take the train. Richmond has tonnes of 2nd generation Canadians, too.

I might put part of the blame on our signage (yes, another signage complaint). We've got signs that will say something like 'Slower traffic keep right'. Well, people will interpret that several ways, never the proper way it seems. On the Squamish Hwy, the signs will say 'Keep right except to pass', which in my opinion should be on every Highway here. You would see more people actually doing it. Sorry to be off topic.

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Precisely why this is true. If you grew up in an environment where only the wealthy could afford to own a car, you're loathe to give it up when you [finally] have the opportunity in another country. So, you buy a BMW which is within reach in this country but way out of reach back home.

By and large, people are a product of their environment. If people grow up in an environment that rewards discourteous behavior, or indirectly encourages it, those are habits that are hard to break.

If a bunch of "Vancouverites" emigrated to Germany and all moved to a suburb of Dusseldorf, you'd find the Germans typecasting those darn Canadians as "stoopid Canuck drivers" when they have the audacity of passing a car on the right-hand side. You NEVER do that in Germany. In fact, if there is a car behind you, you MUST speed up or pull over to the right.

We don't really enforce that here.

However, we generally do enforce the rights of pedestrians [almost to a fault] where a car will stop to allow a pedestrian to jaywalk. In Britain, walking across a street at a non-designated location is a recipe for death.

All that being said, I think you'll find quite a few people still take the train. Richmond has tonnes of 2nd generation Canadians, too.

That's because passing on the right is ILLEGAL in Germany, the UK (well, the left in the UK) and many other countries. For this reason, you must always pull back into the right lane after passing, keeping the left lane available for faster traffic.

In Canada and the US, passing on the right is legal and we do it all the time.

[Canadian Mind]

Then you get the folks who intentionally go slow in the left lane to slow the speeders down.

[agrant]

Exactly why people pass on the right. I've done it myself.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by NewfBC

All of the stations don't have to open for the line to open. No?

Ron.

True, however, it's probably not the greatest idea. If someone hears it is open and goes to take it and then their station is closed.. could leave a very bad taste in people's mouths.

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by lightrail

That's because passing on the right is ILLEGAL in Germany, the UK (well, the left in the UK) and many other countries. For this reason, you must always pull back into the right lane after passing, keeping the left lane available for faster traffic.

In Canada and the US, passing on the right is legal and we do it all the time.

Umm, where did you hear that???

Motor Vehicle Act
Source: http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/free...0c.%20318/00_act/96318_05.xml#section157

Duty when overtaking

157 (1) Except as provided in section 158, the driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle

(a) must cause the vehicle to pass to the left of the other vehicle at a safe distance, and

(b) must not cause or permit the vehicle to return to the right side of the highway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle.

(2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right (practically never) is permitted, a driver of an overtaken vehicle,

(a) on hearing an audible signal given by the driver of the overtaking vehicle, must cause the vehicle to give way to the right in favour of the overtaking vehicle, and

(b) must not increase the speed of the vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

Passing on right

158 (1) The driver of a vehicle must not cause or permit the vehicle to overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle, except

(a) when the vehicle overtaken is making a left turn or its driver has signalled his or her intention to make a left turn,

(b) when on a laned roadway there is one or more than one unobstructed lane on the side of the roadway on which the driver is permitted to drive, or

(c) on a one way street or a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and is of sufficient width for 2 or more lanes of moving vehicles.

(2) Despite subsection (1), a driver of a vehicle must not cause the vehicle to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right

(a) when the movement cannot be made safely, or

(b) by driving the vehicle off the roadway.

So to sum up:
1. When someone is behind you and honks, you must allow them to pass if you can move to the right.
2. You are almost never permitted to pass on the right.

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by zivan56

Umm, where did you hear that???



So to sum up:
1. When someone is behind you and honks, you must allow them to pass if you can move to the right.
2. You are almost never permitted to pass on the right.

No - your summation is incorrect. See below - from BC Motor Vehicle Act


Passing on right

158 (1) The driver of a vehicle must not cause or permit the vehicle to overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle, except

(a) when the vehicle overtaken is making a left turn or its driver has signalled his or her intention to make a left turn,

(b) when on a laned roadway there is one or more than one unobstructed lane on the side of the roadway on which the driver is permitted to drive, or

(c) on a one way street or a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and is of sufficient width for 2 or more lanes of moving vehicles.

(2) Despite subsection (1), a driver of a vehicle must not cause the vehicle to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right

(a) when the movement cannot be made safely, or

(b) by driving the vehicle off the roadway.

So to sum up - it is legal to pass on the right in BC.

[metroXpress]

Does anyone know what's going on at the land between Aberdeen mall and Aberdeen station?


The mall expansion was cancelled..

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by The_Henry_Man

For the ticketing machines at Oakridge, there's the slot which says "Add Fare". Is it possible that is for people who have smart cards in the future to add more money into their accounts (they don't have this at the existing machines)?

if you have a book of one zone tikets and you need to ttravel two zones you add money to that ticket "add fare" to it - done it a few times myself handy since the one zones are cheapest

[SpongeG]

just have to say after coming back from san francisco and uising the bart and the muni we are really spoiled here and even more spoiled now - an extra $2.50 to the airport is nothing people would be stupid to do things to avoid the extra cost why?

anyway we waited at one station for 90 minutes yes 90 minutes! we saw trains go the other way but they decided to all hang out at the end - a local was with us and he said normally they run (this was like 10 pm) every 12-15 minutes and he was pissed he had to get to work - and he said sometimes thesee drivers just do that they sit around at the end of the line

anyway and the bart is so dirty and gross but cool but gross fast though

the muni is fun at one point there was a figth on the platform/station ahead of the train and the driver was like there seems to be a fight at the station so i am just going to sit here and wait for it to play out - we were like wtf? lol

anyway talk about long platforms and short trains - some were only 1 car long! insane you walk a mile underground just to get to the damn train

we are very lucky in out little town by the mountains

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by CLC

If the Oakridge open house is any indication, the ridership of Canada Line will be made up mostly by Asians.

Whether or not to use public transit is more tied with comfort and convenience,
that being said, one of the top 4 bus routes serving in Vancouver has very high ridership by Chinese people in particular.
And no matter what the wealthiest class will avoid taking transit.

have you been to vancouver? its all asians

oakridge is nothing but asian shoppers

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

anyway we waited at one station for 90 minutes yes 90 minutes! we saw trains go the other way but they decided to all hang out at the end - a local was with us and he said normally they run (this was like 10 pm) every 12-15 minutes and he was pissed he had to get to work - and he said sometimes thesee drivers just do that they sit around at the end of the line

Isn't BART automatic - like Skytrain?

[zivan56]

Originally Posted by lightrail

No - your summation is incorrect. See below - from BC Motor Vehicle Act


Passing on right

158 (1) The driver of a vehicle must not cause or permit the vehicle to overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle, except

(a) when the vehicle overtaken is making a left turn or its driver has signalled his or her intention to make a left turn,
So when someone is going the same speed in the left lane, you can pass them only if you need to turn soon

(b) when on a laned roadway there is one or more than one unobstructed lane on the side of the roadway on which the driver is permitted to drive, or
One laned roadway = roadway with no centre divider (i.e suburb lanes)

(c) on a one way street or a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and is of sufficient width for 2 or more lanes of moving vehicles.
So on a highway only or one way streets

No, it is generally not legal. Hence the first sentence, with the exception of the above circumstances (see italics). Likewise, although the exceptions may be legal, they are quashed by this unless you are driving late at night with very little traffic:

(2) Despite subsection (1), a driver of a vehicle must not cause the vehicle to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right

(a) when the movement cannot be made safely, or

A pass on the right can almost never be made safely unless traffic is very sparse and the driver of the car in front of you clearly sees you are passing on the right.

Here are the fines:

158(1) Pass on right $109 2
158(2)(a) Unsafe pass on right $109 2