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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 8:54 PM
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I work for the public sector (in the Vancouver area) and can solidly say that the mean age of the employee there is in their late 40's. Many of them absolutely loath the NDP and fear their property prices dropping. Many of those nearing retirement have firm plans to sell and move to the Interior or the Island. I hear it every day. "Robbing them of their dream" will ensure they never trust or vote for a socialist government again.

The next generation is also bound to an economy tied to real estate. Decreasing demand and softening the market will undoubtedly result in many layoffs as projects are delayed/stalled. Realtors, mortgage brokers, specialists, underwriters, insurance brokers, construction, restoration workers etc...will all be impacted.

As bad as the Liberals were ethically, the economy in BC boomed with them in power. The NDP are literally catering to the poor and only the poor. Affordability was propped up to a major issue when most were doing comfortably well. Those that were wise have migrated elsewhere. The NDP has to get with the times and realize there is a lot at stake here.

With regards to Nanaimo. I know a Liberal constituency assistant that has stated that the NDP MLA's have flooded the area doing last minute campaigning and door canvassing. Based on what I am hearing...it's a lost cause. The Liberals are already preparing for a provincial election in the spring/summer.
In economics, we must differentiate between earned and unearned income. Income from rent and the speculative increases in real estate are in the realm of the latter, not the former. Those who purchased 20 years ago are getting rich from increases in an arbitrary economic system based on compound interest. They are wealthier simply because of being older, not by working more that the generation that is entering the workplace at the moment. In fact, younger people have to work more because a vast majority of the increase in productivity in the past 30 years has gone to the one percent, thereby increasing the gap between socio-economic classes. The situation for those under the age of 30 is untenable. Basically, the future has been sold for the present; there is a significant problem of attracting workers to come and be employed in this province because of the inflated cost of living.

There is the real economy, of building buildings, cars, and etc., and the fake economy, called the FIRE Sector (Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate). The former creates while the latter makes claims on the former. The money that could be circulating in the economy has to go to finance ever increasing debt loads. Indeed, a debt load of 242% seen in BC is unsustainable, hence why interest rates went up. With this much debt in the system, the Bank of Canada had to act. It is the steep interest rates that have led to the market stalling and that China has cracked down on the amount of currency leaving the country. In other words, the spigot has been turned off, easy credit and foreign money via Asia, bot legal and illegal. The Speculation Tax and the School Tax will only have a negligible effect on the real estate sector. What we have seen in Vancouver in the last few years was simply unsustainable.

We should not be fearful of the Socialist "hoards." What we must be fearful of is the creation of economic systems that benefit a small portion of the population. BTW, I am someone who has a stake in the system as I own a Condo and have a home that I will partially inherit.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 8:57 PM
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Between murders and money launderers I'd choose to focus on the former, wouldn't you?



https://theprovince.com/opinion/colu...-c-crime-stats
As in, let the municipal (and provincial) police deal with murder and gang-related activities and ask the feds to step in to deal with money laundering?

On that note, if the federal government's reluctant to deal with it, I think that says a lot.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 9:37 PM
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As in, let the municipal (and provincial) police deal with murder and gang-related activities and ask the feds to step in to deal with money laundering?

On that note, if the federal government's reluctant to deal with it, I think that says a lot.
Looking at the article I sourced we’re having trouble with murders and gangs already, wouldn’t it be insane to suddenly tell the police, let’s shift resources away to money laundering? Notice that the NDP despite all complaints have yet to instruct the police to shift resources to pursue money launderers criminally. Likely because murder rates going up is worse PR.

And I doubt the feds are reluctant to deal with it, it likely just sucks up tons of resources like a sponge so they can only do so much.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 9:41 PM
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Being pro-money laundering is a bold position, but this is Vancouver so I guess it is not surprising people are so whacked out.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 10:48 PM
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Being pro-money laundering is a bold position, but this is Vancouver so I guess it is not surprising people are so whacked out.
I don't think anyone is pro money laundering, just like we're not pro property crime. Its logically acknowledging that we have extremely limited resources that are already insufficient at covering critical areas. If we rank crimes off the top of my head I would say murder is #1, drug dealing is #2, rape is #3, theft is #4 etc. with money laundering maybe coming in at 10-20th?

Would you have us put money laundering at #1 and let people die? be raped? Accusing me of being pro money laundering is like me accusing people of being pro rape, basically being stupid and ridiculous We pursue all crimes, and choose to allocate more resources to the worst crimes. Its just logic.

I don't feel like the Liberals were wrong given that there were no extra police resources to go around. I haven't seen the NDP do more than talk and change casino regulations which doesn't stop money laundering at all, it just decreases the cut we were getting out of it from local casinos and moves it elsewhere, likely to Albertan casinos. We just had two big money laundering cases that failed, likely the work of several years of investigation. Did the cases which were the result of several years of criminal investigation during the BC Liberals get rushed at the end and fail because of the NDP and their big ass mouths? Who knows.
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I don't think anyone is pro money laundering, just like we're not pro property crime. Its logically acknowledging that we have extremely limited resources that are already insufficient at covering critical areas. If we rank crimes off the top of my head I would say murder is #1, drug dealing is #2, rape is #3, theft is #4 etc. with money laundering maybe coming in at 10-20th?

Would you have us put money laundering at #1 and let people die? be raped? Accusing me of being pro money laundering is like me accusing people of being pro rape, basically being stupid and ridiculous We pursue all crimes, and choose to allocate more resources to the worst crimes. Its just logic.
Real life police departments function very differently from the Zootopia one; there isn't one guy saying "ten of you handle murders, five of you handle drugs, blah blah blah... Bob takes money laundering, Judy's on parking duty."
There's usually multiple branches (arson, vice, traffic, etc), and multiple levels of jurisdiction - an international laundering scheme is way over the heads of your average patrolman or homicide detective and is best resolved by a task force funded by a higher level of government.

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I don't feel like the Liberals were wrong given that there were no extra police resources to go around. I haven't seen the NDP do more than talk and change casino regulations which doesn't stop money laundering at all, it just decreases the cut we were getting out of it from local casinos and moves it elsewhere, likely to Albertan casinos. We just had two big money laundering cases that failed, likely the work of several years of investigation. Did the cases which were the result of several years of criminal investigation during the BC Liberals get rushed at the end and fail because of the NDP and their big ass mouths? Who knows.
Then Alberta's welcome to it - I give it five years before they get fed up and set the same rules, and then the dirty money moves to Saskatchewan or Manitoba. The Soylent Corporation is probably good for the economy, but that doesn't mean I want it coming here.

Link to those investigations? The Libs have so far been in the habit of shutting investigations down because they know the trail will lead back to them.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2019, 11:29 PM
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Real life police departments function very differently from the Zootopia one; there isn't one guy saying "ten of you handle murders, five of you handle drugs, blah blah blah... Bob takes money laundering, Judy's on parking duty."
There's usually multiple branches (arson, vice, traffic, etc), and multiple levels of jurisdiction - an international laundering scheme is way over the heads of your average patrolman or homicide detective and is best resolved by a task force funded by a higher level of government.



Then Alberta's welcome to it - I give it five years before they get fed up and set the same rules, and then the dirty money moves to Saskatchewan or Manitoba. The Soylent Corporation is probably good for the economy, but that doesn't mean I want it coming here.

Link to those investigations? The Libs have so far been in the habit of shutting investigations down because they know it'll lead back to them.
Thank you for saying the above. Its what I believe too. However, I don't see why money laundering in Alberta is any less harmful than doing it here. Just because you laundered it in Alberta doesn't mean it will be spent in Alberta. We're a globalized world and logically if I were a criminal I wouldn't spend the money I laundered in the same place I laundered it, makes the paper trail too easy. That's why I'm cool with it being spent in BC Casinos and prefer that over Albertan ones, because if it's going to happen its better that we get a cut.

I read about at least two cases but could only find a link to the most famous one below.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...s-thriving-in/
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Thank you for saying the above. Its what I believe too. However, I don't see why money laundering in Alberta is any less harmful than doing it here. Just because you laundered it in Alberta doesn't mean it will be spent in Alberta. We're a globalized world and logically if I were a criminal I wouldn't spend the money I laundered in the same place I laundered it, makes the paper trail too easy. That's why I'm cool with it being spent in BC Casinos and prefer that over Albertan ones, because if it's going to happen its better that we get a cut.
Indeed. It's harmful to the whole country, and there's no easy way of tracking the money.

But that's the difference between a developing country and a developed one: the former gives up and accepts corruption as a part of life, the latter resolves to stamp it out. Same with the Mafia.

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I read about at least two cases but could only find a link to the most famous one below.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...s-thriving-in/
That case was an NDP investigation fumbled by the RCMP and Liberals (albeit the federal ones, which I have my doubts about).
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Indeed. It's harmful to the whole country, and there's no easy way of tracking the money.

But that's the difference between a developing country and a developed one: the former gives up and accepts corruption as a part of life, the latter resolves to stamp it out. Same with the Mafia.



That case was an NDP investigation fumbled by the RCMP and Liberals (albeit the federal ones, which I have my doubts about).
Well its not corruption its crime. Not paying taxes on money made is crime, I don't know why people keep saying corruption. And I definitely agree with increasing police funding. But where do we take it from? Venezulan aid programs? First Nations? Housing? Fed Liberals are already getting hammered for a large budget deficit and the possibility they will increase taxes to cover it. Real estate is way down and that makes some cheer, but its also a huge cash cow for the government & economy whose milk has dried up. Oil is doing better but is still way down and the outlook is bleak unless that pipeline gets built.

Btw I suspect the Fed Liberals won't get in unless they join with another party. Just too much incompetence is catching up.
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Well its not corruption its crime. Not paying taxes on money made is crime, I don't know why people keep saying corruption. And I definitely agree with increasing police funding. But where do we take it from? Venezulan aid programs? First Nations? Housing? Fed Liberals are already getting hammered for a large budget deficit and the possibility they will increase taxes to cover it. Real estate is way down and that makes some cheer, but its also a huge cash cow for the government & economy whose milk has dried up. Oil is doing better but is still way down and the outlook is bleak unless that pipeline gets built.

Btw I suspect the Fed Liberals won't get in unless they join with another party. Just too much incompetence is catching up.
Assuming the province (which already has a task force) or feds don't just reallocate existing investigators, a few million is chump change for a federal budget. BC alone has a $450M surplus.

I wouldn't bring the pipeline up. Oil's on its way out, and it cost $4.5 billion to nationalize it and $4 billion more to finish it... just so Alberta will vote red next year. That's more than enough for both SkyTrain extensions and an extra line, with some left over for the task force!
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Assuming the province (which already has a task force) or feds don't just reallocate existing investigators, a few million is chump change for a federal budget. BC alone has a $450M surplus.

I wouldn't bring the pipeline up. Oil's on its way out, and it cost $4.5 billion to nationalize it and $4 billion more to finish it... just so Alberta will vote red next year. That's more than enough for both SkyTrain extensions and an extra line, with some left over for the task force!
Well the idea is that the pipeline is a hell load more profitable than the skytrain!

And that surplus dims quickly when you consider that Hydro and ICBC both could use cash.
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Being pro-money laundering is a bold position, but this is Vancouver so I guess it is not surprising people are so whacked out.
I don't think misher is aware of how transparent his attempts at deflection are.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2019, 2:24 AM
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Hey what do you know, the first major BC NDP scandal.

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B.C. political parties have been giving Facebook voters’ data.....The governing BC NDP is the worst offender, giving Facebook voters’ names, phone numbers, cities of residence and dates of birth, while the BC Liberals have uploaded only financial donor lists to the global social media site, Michael McEvoy’s report said.
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The B.C. Liberal party is searching for new candidates using a website to recruit political hopefuls, including those from under-represented parts of the population in the legislature.

Liberal Leader Andrew Wilkinson said last week the party was shifting into a period of renewal after losing the Nanaimo byelection.

He said at least three members of the Liberal caucus will be announcing they won't be running in the next provincial election.

Wilkinson says in a news release on Wednesday that the party is looking for people from all backgrounds and walks of life.

The party says it will be focusing its nomination efforts in ridings that aren't held by the Liberals, although it already has more than 87 interested potential candidates in every region in the province.
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Hey what do you know, the first major BC NDP scandal.

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You consider THIS to be a scandal?
I guess the "Fast Ferries!" and "BingoGate!" battle cries have lost their edge....
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You consider THIS to be a scandal?
I guess the "Fast Ferries!" and "BingoGate!" battle cries have lost their edge....
No kidding. Call me when Horgan has the HA’s build a deck on his house!
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No kidding. Call me when Horgan has the HA’s build a deck on his house!
Or gets arrested for drunk driving in Maui.
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Hey what do you know, yet another scandal in a long line of major BC Liberal scandals.

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NDP is timing the press coverage of these BC Lib corruption/screw up scandals well.

Lord knows there is plenty of material to go all the way to the next election cycle.
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The NDP raised the most money under new fundraising rules which forbade large donations from individuals, corporations and unions. It certainly illustrates how people feel they are governing in their interest, whereas the BC Liberals governed on behalf of the corporate interests who paid their bills.

The B.C. NDP is leading the way when it comes to political donations under the new rules the government brought in to ban union and corporate political donations.

The governing party raised $2.05 million between July 1 and Dec. 31, 2018, according to figures released by Elections BC on Monday. The B.C. Liberals raised the second most with $1.69 million and the B.C. Green Party raised just shy of $439,000.

“The B.C. NDP has always been a party that relies on individual contributors and that hasn’t changed,” NDP strategist Glen Sanford said. “It does mean that campaigns need to be more grassroots. And it certainty doesn’t give the advantage to any one party.”...


https://globalnews.ca/news/4924875/b...raising-rules/
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