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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 8:25 PM
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Is this new render just about final?! I mean, I suppose I could almost live with a different looking building (almost), but couldn't we at least have gotten something equally as appealing and modern? Though I guess it's not ugly as much as it just doesn't belong.

Now I'm kinda worried about how the Walnut tower is gonna turn out.
     
     
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i think that design is very nice. i'm glad they're changing things up.

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Render released of the Chestnut Tower. It is now officially being called the "Grove at Cira Center South"



http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2013/02/06/brandywine-realty-campus-crest-plan.html
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 9:37 PM
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Zoomed in so you can get a better view of the details



Here is a zoom in on the base of the tower
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 10:19 PM
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What a disappointment! The original designs were stunning, but this just seems like this is a like they decided to plop a big glass box into one the most beautiful architectural configurations in the city.

I think someone from another described it as "underwhelming" at best.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 10:20 PM
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What the hell is that piece of shit? 4-5 years of waiting and that's what Philly gets?
Couldn't agree with you more!
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2013, 11:34 PM
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I'm hoping this is one of those cases where the rendering doesn't do the building justice... Cause this seems disappointing.
     
     
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I can only echo what everyone else has said. I can't believe Pelli signed off on this change.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2013, 1:49 AM
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I can only echo what everyone else has said. I can't believe Pelli signed off on this change.
Doubt Pelli had any say in the matter.

The original plan for the Chestnut Tower was to be a 30ish story residential tower developed by Brandywine Realty Trust(cesar pelli the assumed architect). Guess the Plans changed. Brandywine ultimately decided to take on 2 partners that deal in spacious campus housing. Strange bedfellows with Brandywine, Erdy McHenry(Philadelphia architects) Campus Crest Communities, and HSRE basically building a dorm.

I like the 33 story Temple dorm much much better than this one but Im going to keep an open mind.

Just my opinion but taking on partners at Chestnut might mean Brandywine is focusing on the Walnut Tower which has higher upside being office/hotel. Thinking this takes on a Cira like resemblance.



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Old Posted Feb 7, 2013, 5:45 AM
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This building is a joke and another example of the crap this city has in its skyline. Upon completion it should be immediately imploded and a memorial built as a testament to what could have been. Who signs off on this stuff anyway? Someone on the philly thread said this is BETTER than what goes up in New York and Chicago??? I will say one thing -- that footprint looks really small to me. So maybe this is the best they could do. And they shouldn't do it.
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I didn't say this building was good. I said it looks better than a lot of the crap going up in New York and Chicago. It still sucks, though but architecturally Philly is in a much better shape than New York with regards to new projects.
     
     
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I didn't say this building was good. I said it looks better than a lot of the crap going up in New York and Chicago. It still sucks, though but architecturally Philly is in a much better shape than New York with regards to new projects.
Okay, fair enough. But I disagree that Philly is in much better shape than New York. I've been disappointed with most of what has gone up here in the past 25 or so years. I guess I should be grateful that they broke the gentleman's agreement and started building tall, but if they were going to build muck like Liberty Place and the Blue Cross Tower they shouldn't have wasted their time. I'm so glad American Commerce got axed... Sorry folks, I have different tastes -- I'd take Two Logan Square over Liberty Place any day of the week. Taller never means better.
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First off, it’s not a bad thing that a tallish modern building is going to be constructed here. No one is going to convince me otherwise. That lot is tiny and also deals with the elevation difference between the street and the ground in that area. It just seems to be a really non-ideal place to build a significant building. Second, there is quite a bit of vacant land in the area between the river and where the Drexel and Penn campuses start in earnest. This could be a catalyst to start filling those empty lots. I do think it’s a strange place to build a dorm as many have mentioned.

The big issue I have is trying to rationalize the complete and drastic change in direction from what was originally proposed. To me, the Cira brand has represented a radically modern structure located next to an Amtrak hub and providing it’s tenants considerable tax advantages. Expanding this concept should bring more of the same. Adding a residential component between the two office towers seemed not illogical and its location and similar design overcame it’s functional difference. Now that we charged the use from regular residential to a dorm and changed the design from “Cira” to rectangular glass box, I’m having trouble understanding how this has any relationship to Cira Center. I wish they would have issued a press release months ago and stated that due to market changes, the residential portion of Cira would now be a dorm and no longer be considered part of the greater Cira project. Now I’m worried that the design of the office tower may also look nothing like the original Cira either. The attractive part of the Cira complex for me was the idea of looking across Schukill and seeing these 3 glass shards spaced between the older stone facades of 30th Street Station and the Post Office. If we knew in advance that it was planned as a dorm and was a departure from the original design concept, I’m not sure anyone would be really disappointed with the release of the design.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2013, 3:04 PM
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DP article -

http://www.thedp.com/article/2013/02/new-upscale-housing-option-targets-grad-students



A new housing option, The Grove, is expected to be completed at 30th and Chestnut streets by fall 2014. The building is being marketed to Penn graduate students. The University has asked Brandywine to reserve a section of rooms.
A new housing option might lead students outside the Penn bubble.

On Tuesday night, Brandywine Realty Trust along with Campus Crest Communities, Inc. and Harrison Street Real Estate Capital announced they will collaboratively develop a new student housing building called The Grove at Cira Centre South.

The building will be located at 30th and Chestnut streets and is expected to be complete by fall 2014.

According to the press release, The Grove will be 33-stories high, house 850 residents and offer “an attractive, upscale housing option.”

The site on Chestnut Street is currently leased by Penn and has been under review by Brandywine since 2007, according to Vice President for Facilities and Real Estate Services Anne Papageorge.

“[Brandywine] approached us in January 2012 about the residential concept of the Chestnut parcel,” Papageorge said.

In 2007, Brandywine did not specify what the space would be used for, and Penn did not know what would become of the site in the future. Due to currently low demand for high-end office space, the firm decided on the residential option.

According to the President and CEO of Brandywine Realty Trust Jerry Sweeney, the project is aimed to attract a wide array of students.

“We anticipate that the marketing program will encompass universities based not just in University City but in the Philadelphia region given the project’s excellent mass transportation access and quality design,” Sweeney said. “Penn’s pressing need is graduate housing and that is where we will direct our marketing efforts. The Grove will be the highest quality project in University City and will be exceptionally attractive to Penn’s graduate student population.”

Even though The Grove will be open to students and young professionals throughout Philadelphia, Penn hopes to accommodate its own incoming graduate students. According to Papageorge, Penn has asked Brandywine to reserve a section of rooms for a period of time after the apartments open.

First-year graduate student in the School of Social Policy & Practice Devon Cavanaugh said many graduate students will probably find the new location very appealing, especially because it is a more upscale option.

“I live in an apartment in Naval Square and plan to remain there until I graduate in May of 2014. There is a good possibility that I may remain in Philadelphia to work after I complete the program,” she said in an email. “The development on 30th and Chestnut sounds like something I would want to look at as a young professional.”

While the project may be attractive to older students, undergraduates might find the location inconvenient. College sophomore Greta Baldwin said she would not consider moving to 30th and Chestnut despite the quality of the apartments.

“That location does not cater to Penn undergrads,” she said. “Not to mention, that’s quite the uphill climb.”

Papageorge explained that Penn offers adequate housing on campus to the undergraduate population, but not for graduate students. During the planning process, Papageorge said they informed Brandywine of the need for additional graduate and professional housing closer to campus.

With construction already underway, leasing for The Grove is projected to start in fall 2013.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2013, 3:26 PM
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http://www.thestreet.com/story/11833398/1/the-grove-at-cira-centre-south-photo-business-wire.html

So this other article got me a bit more excited with the talk of a rooftop pool. Must be indoors but still would be pretty sweet to look out over the city skyline while taking a dip.
     
     
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First off, it’s not a bad thing that a tallish modern building is going to be constructed here. No one is going to convince me otherwise.
Yeah not much hyperbole in this thread.

Most cities would love to have a 33 story, 1,000 bed residential tower that the scraper geeks can pick apart. My only problem is that I am just not a fan of Erdy McHenry's garish busy looking architecture . Antithesis to classy/elegant imo. Not sure why they get so much love in Philadelphia.

Here is Temples Morgan Hall. Roughly the same scale and cost of this Cira Grove project . This is a much nicer looking building imo. Architect MGA Partners

     
     
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Guess my answer in the other thread is answered here! This sounds fair, so its not an undergrad dorm, tho it maybe more 1 bedrooms and studios than I had originally hoped for, its still much better than a true dorm.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2013, 6:23 PM
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Not crazy about the design but this place will have some incredible views of Center City. Ive been atop the accompanying 12 story IRS garage and the city views are tremendous. 33 story rooftop pool views will be incredible.

Courtesy Brandywine Realty via Daily Pennsylvanian.



     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2013, 10:52 PM
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Sorry,just can't get worked up over the design. But, a lot will depend upon the Walnut Street Tower.
     
     
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New poster here (though I've been lurking for years), and wanted to repeat here what I just posted about this project in the general Philly Development thread:

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Just to reinforce what others have already noted, this building will NOT be a dorm--for Penn or any other school. It will be market-rate apartments with luxury amenities targeted at graduate and professional students at Penn, Drexel, and other Philly schools. Think med school students/residents/fellows, Wharton MBA students, law school students, dental school students, vet school students, Ph.D. students, etc. In other words, a highly educated demographic in their twenties, thirties, and even forties, many of them married and possibly with children, and many with several years of work experience (and income) under their belts. In other words, a large concentration--and interesting mix--of young professionals and academics looking to patronize an eclectic assortment of good restaurants, interesting shops, and cultural venues. It's the perfect use for a location at the cusp of where University City meets Center City, and likely to bring just the right tone to the surrounding blocks of commercial development that will surely follow in its wake. And for those familiar with the "Penn Connects" eastern expansion plan, and Drexel's current development plans, this is just the kind of private and commercial development that has been envisioned for some time now for the Chestnut and Walnut connections of University City to Center City.

And in terms of the Walnut office building, I read somewhere over the past couple of days (can't seem to find it at the moment) that Penn has reserved a significant amount of space in that tower--presumably as part of its ongoing effort to move non-academic office space out of the core of its campus--and that construction is expected to begin by the end of this year. Pretty sure I didn't just dream that.
Sorry for the interruption. Carry on.
     
     
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