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Old Posted Jun 22, 2007, 2:22 PM
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Has anyone heard of this Chesley Drive development? I just saw it for the first time today while looking through the SJ Waterfront Dev. Corp website.

http://canterburydevelopments.com/chesley_drive.htm




Maybe talk of it existed before and I just never paid attention enough to notice.

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Haven't seen or heard of it I like the location and the underground garage would be a nice feature.

SAint John energy has their rendering at the construction site. Ill go down today and snap a couple shots. Its a nice looking buliding might stick out like a sore thumb because of where its it. It will definately bring business west though.

I'm also getting some wheels so I'll be able to get alot of pics of sites. If anyone has any suggestions let me know and I'll be happy to snap some photos.
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Construction will start soon on 29-unit seniors housing complex

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Published Friday June 22nd, 2007
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The rubble on the corner of Macklemburg and Wentworth streets in the South End will soon be replaced with a multi-unit housing complex for seniors.
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Haven't seen or heard of it I like the location and the underground garage would be a nice feature.

SAint John energy has their rendering at the construction site. Ill go down today and snap a couple shots. Its a nice looking buliding might stick out like a sore thumb because of where its it. It will definately bring business west though.

I'm also getting some wheels so I'll be able to get alot of pics of sites. If anyone has any suggestions let me know and I'll be happy to snap some photos.
Any Uptown pics could be very appreciate
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New building uptown off of leinster









WOW! nice, I like that building..... is there a website? I agree that the wires should be burried ASAP... especially UNION and Princess,,, it would make those streets look soooo much nicer. Does anywone know how expensive it is to bury the wires?
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Saint John Board of Trade’s “Top 3” Transportation Priorities addressed by PM’s Transportation Announcement

June 25 , 2007


Prime Minister Stephen Harper today announced work is beginning on six highway projects across New Brunswick. These are part of the $207 million in federal funding set aside over the next ten years to cost-share with the province to improve National Highway System routes.

The number one transportation priority for the Saint John Board of Trade since 2002 has been the completion of the One Mile Highway Interchange.

“Today is a tremendous boost to transportation infrastructure for the City of Saint John. The completion of the One Mile Interchange will take truck traffic off our downtown streets and channel it directly to our industrial areas creating a more positive uptown experience for tourism, boosting our industrial parks and reducing wear and tear on our city streets,” said Board of Trade, Chair Nathalie Godbout.

The Interchange has long been advocated by the Saint John Board of Trade as a crucial piece of transportation infrastructure for Saint John as it will allow the city to better leverage investments and opportunities for new investments to the energy sector and enhance the development and growth of the Green Industrial Park, Bayside Drive properties and both the Grandview & McAllister Industrial Parks. With Saint John positioned at the geographic centre of Atlantica it is vital our highway infrastructure be improved to allow our region to compete on a global scale.

“The federal re-investment announcement in New Brunswick’s highway system will bolster stronger trade routes and position our province as not only open for business but accessible and efficient,” said Godbout.

The Saint John Board of Trade has long advocated the twinning of Highway 1 therefore the announcement of the 24 km stretch of road between Pennfield and Lepreau is a positive step toward strengthening our bilateral economic access to New England.

“Another key priority for board members”, said Godbout, “is the completion of the Welsford Bypass which was also announced. Quite honestly it feels like Christmas came in June this year for our business community.”
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WestJet - Saint John

[west Jet Is Spreading It’s Wings]
June.27th/2007/new For Noon:

They’ve Only Been Serving The Saint John Airport For Just Over A Month, But The Brass At West-jet Have Decided To Expand Their Discount Service To Toronto Through The Winter Months. President And C.e.o. John Buchanan Tells Chsj News, The Numbers For West-jet Since Beginning Service May.14th Have Been Very Strong.

Buchanan Says This Solidifies The Airport Authorities Business Case That Saint John Has The Economic Forecast To Create The Demand For A New Air Service. The Winter Service Will Run Monday, Wednesday And Friday’s Beginning In Early November.
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[west Jet Is Spreading It’s Wings]
June.27th/2007/new For Noon:

They’ve Only Been Serving The Saint John Airport For Just Over A Month, But The Brass At West-jet Have Decided To Expand Their Discount Service To Toronto Through The Winter Months. President And C.e.o. John Buchanan Tells Chsj News, The Numbers For West-jet Since Beginning Service May.14th Have Been Very Strong.

Buchanan Says This Solidifies The Airport Authorities Business Case That Saint John Has The Economic Forecast To Create The Demand For A New Air Service. The Winter Service Will Run Monday, Wednesday And Friday’s Beginning In Early November.
Thats a great new, Saint John got a great momentum.
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[west Jet Is Spreading It’s Wings]
June.27th/2007/new For Noon:

They’ve Only Been Serving The Saint John Airport For Just Over A Month, But The Brass At West-jet Have Decided To Expand Their Discount Service To Toronto Through The Winter Months. President And C.e.o. John Buchanan Tells Chsj News, The Numbers For West-jet Since Beginning Service May.14th Have Been Very Strong.

Buchanan Says This Solidifies The Airport Authorities Business Case That Saint John Has The Economic Forecast To Create The Demand For A New Air Service. The Winter Service Will Run Monday, Wednesday And Friday’s Beginning In Early November.
Great news I just hope this is the catalyst for some flights elsewhere in Canada. Expanding the terminal would also help this along more and its not like we don't have the space.

P.s. I'm in jersey for the next two weeks so if you guys can keep me up to date it would be greatly appreciated.
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WOW! nice, I like that building..... is there a website?
The website is http://www.leinstercourt.ca/
The drawings on the site are a little different than the actual facade will look like.
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Mayor betting on Casino for Saint John

June 27, 2007 - 7:11 pm
By: Graham Brown - News 88.9 Staff

SAINT JOHN, NB - Mayor Norm McFarlane said today that reports of a casino for Moncton are just the Tories trying to get the finance minister to spill the beans about government plans.

McFarlane is reacting to word that the province may be about to announce 45 mini-casinos with a major operation for Moncton.

He tells our newsroom that it was made clear to him that Saint John would be the first one dealt a major casino.

"I certainly was told that Saint John....we had our name in first," he said.

"Our council has passed it twice and they were ready to do something in Saint John first and Moncton and Fredericton to follow," he added.

Finance Minister Victor Boudreau denies the allegations by Tory David Alward.

He accused the opposition of fear-mongering.
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"I certainly was told that Saint John....we had our name in first," he said.

"Our council has passed it twice and they were ready to do something in Saint John first and Moncton and Fredericton to follow," he added.
Interesting....MacFarlane was on Tom Young's show yesterday to talk about this and he heard that Moncton was getting a casino, while Saint John was getting a racino at the current EPR site; and the only difference he could tell was the first letter (and some horses, I presume ).

I doubt he'll care if Moncton and Saint John get one at the same time.
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Interesting....MacFarlane was on Tom Young's show yesterday to talk about this and he heard that Moncton was getting a casino, while Saint John was getting a racino at the current EPR site; and the only difference he could tell was the first letter (and some horses, I presume ).

I doubt he'll care if Moncton and Saint John get one at the same time.

Moncton has always the same arguments : geographical, demographic, Airport, commute ect.

I am scared about the fact Moncton could take a huge advantage on Saint John with a new state-of-art convention center, two new hotels downtown and now a Casino...

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The racino thing is really dumb and I want an explanation of why the harness racing lobby has so much power in this city. If we get a racino on the current EPR site, tell me how that helps the city? The only people that will go are those who currently or used to go to the raceway, even if it does attact other visitors, it's nowhere near the Uptown core. The whole idea is idiotic. Moncton, I hate to admit, has the right idea: develop hotels, convention centres and a casino is their "downtown" so that it helps the commercial core of the city. Saint John has its head up its *you-know-what* because they keep talking about how important a vibrant uptown core is, but keep spending money and fostering development in the East side. This whole Vision 2015 thing is great, but we need to get the city to focus on doing one thing, and doing it well, rather than spreading ourselves thin, resulting in a bunch of poorly-organized ideas thrown together because they seemed like good ideas at the time.
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The racino thing is really dumb and I want an explanation of why the harness racing lobby has so much power in this city. If we get a racino on the current EPR site, tell me how that helps the city? The only people that will go are those who currently or used to go to the raceway, even if it does attact other visitors, it's nowhere near the Uptown core. The whole idea is idiotic. Moncton, I hate to admit, has the right idea: develop hotels, convention centres and a casino is their "downtown" so that it helps the commercial core of the city. Saint John has its head up its *you-know-what* because they keep talking about how important a vibrant uptown core is, but keep spending money and fostering development in the East side. This whole Vision 2015 thing is great, but we need to get the city to focus on doing one thing, and doing it well, rather than spreading ourselves thin, resulting in a bunch of poorly-organized ideas thrown together because they seemed like good ideas at the time.
I fully agree with you.

Moncton advantage is really demographic and geographic. They are able to increase their population base sufficient to get new retaillers, new hotels, a basic airport traffic, news services, get a advertising penetration as well. Saint John have to develop coast guard to show that city are able to achieve large and very urban projects. Like you said, Saint John has a ton of potencial but right now they need to focus both Uptown and keeping young persons in town mainly in the core.
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Here we go again....

If a racino needs to get built, I would rather see it at the EPR grounds than downtown. Putting a casino/racino downtown won't encourage any long term tenants to want to live close by. It would be a type of activity, but it is not the kind of activity you want to see in a quality neighbourhood and it wouldn't attract the higher income crowd that some developers are trying to encourage.

In the US, of the 20 largest cities in 1950, all but four have shrunk, some by a lot. Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis and Buffalo, have all lost more than half their population in the past half-century and Philadelphia has lost nearly a third of its residents. These were all industrial powerhouses in their day and now need to redefine or lose their place.

This shows the challenges facing cities; and size is not a guarantee of success. It is self defeating to hold Moncton out as the ultimate example of how everything should be done. Saint John has more potential than any other city in the maritimes right now and it will have to be unique in how it handles this potential. No successful city dictates to private developers specifically what gets built, where, and when. There has to be some give and take and ultimately, it has to be economically viable. Money is attracted to opportunity. If the oportunity is not downtown right now - so be it. Ultimately, a successful downtown is where people will want to be if it is safe, attractive, and whatever else successful people want when they have some level of economic comfort. There naturally will be a commercial element to any downtown which is dictated by the numbers and type of people who live there. But it doesn't have to be an entertainment mecca. I can only go by pictures recently as I haven't been in SJ in a couple of years, but I see a fair amount of redevelopment of historic properties and new construction going on downtown. This is excellent from what I've seen.

There is right now a lot of retail being built here in the east end of Ottawa where I currently live because this is where the customer base, and the unknown opportunity is. Some of these new retailers are having a hard time making ends meet I'm sure. And some are ultimately not making it financially. Retail does not precede it's customers. It is the other way around. The houses are built, the people move in, and then the stores eventually come to fulfill a need.

I see that there is new residential and office space going up in Saint John uptown. The attraction and uniqueness of Saint John is the history and the waterfront. Don't micromanage development. Make the history and the waterfront the focus and all the other things will look after themselves eventually if people decide they want to be downtown. A casino or racino or anything else like that is only going to detract from a potentially great quality of life downtown.
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Not to sound ignorant or completely illiterate...., but to hell with the whole racino idea it makes me cringe when I think About it. If you have been to a bar or anywhere in this town you know people love to pour money into the vlt's lottery and not to mention a drink or two. A racino Even even if it was done up nice, could be a drain on the people around here as much as it could potentially be a boost to our economy. It makes me wonder has the mayor ever been around town and seen what goes on. It makes me sad they cant think of better ideas than this I lived 30 minutes from atlantic city for 15 years. They place was a hell hole. The only casino areas that arent complete brothels of sin are the ones ran by natives and even there your going to get your bad dozen of eggs.

Please, please don't bring this to our city.
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One Mile a done deal

John Mazerolle
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Published Tuesday June 26th, 2007


Mayor Norm McFarlane was so excited about the funding announcement for three of the city's key transportation priorities that he sounded for all the world like a teenager who'd just scored his first kiss.
"I had to call somebody to tell them," he said Monday after he phoned the Telegraph-Journal.

The $414-million federal-provincial agreement announced by Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Fredericton includes six projects across New Brunswick, and three of them have a direct effect on Saint John. Money will go toward twinning the highway to St. Stephen, creating the Welsford bypass, and building the One Mile House interchange, an overpass that should simultaneously improve the city's economy and its quality of life.
"I'm completely excited about it," the mayor said.

One Mile is common council's biggest transportation priority, even though as a highway project it's the responsibility of higher levels of government.
The overpass - located literally one mile from the city centre - will keep heavy industrial traffic out of the uptown, while giving trucks easier access to the McAllister and Grandview industrial parks, as well as energy projects such as the Canaport LNG terminal and the site of the proposed second oil refinery.
"It puts us where we want to be with Atlantica," McFarlane said. "It puts us where we want to be as an energy hub."

The overpass will off-load traffic from Highway 1 to near Russell Street on the East Side. Trucks will no longer need to drive around Lower Cove Loop or take City Road, improving the flow of goods, making the uptown more pleasant, and taking stress off Saint John's streets.
Tracey Burkhardt, director of communications with the provincial Department of Transportation, said the One Mile project would begin next year. It's expected to cost $43.5 million and last four years. As with the entire deal, costs will be split evenly between the federal government and the province. (Negotiations for the needed land are not completed but are going well, Burkhardt said.)

McFarlane said the announcement shows what can happen when the city speaks with one voice to the other levels of government.
Coun. Bill Farren, who holds common council's trade-access portfolio and is second-in-command on transportation, said the interchange will be as important to the city as harbour cleanup.

"Not only are we keeping multiple and heavy trucks off city streets, it gives us the opportunity to attract more business," he said.
The announcements for work on Highway 1 and Highway 7, meanwhile, are like echoes of One Mile: construction projects that will improve the flow of goods in and out of Saint John while making citizens safer.

The Highway 1 money is meant for twinning the highway from Pennfield to Lepreau and from Waweig River to Murray Road, over the next 10 years.
Burkhardt said $167 million is set aside for those projects, while twinning the entire highway will eventually cost about $300 million altogether.

The highway work has been a priority for years for the Maine-New Brunswick Trade Corridor Committee - a group of business people and politicians from St. Stephen to Sussex, as well as Maine. Acting chairman Bob Brown said Harper's announcement fulfills years of promises.
"It's very positive that there's a time line," he said.

The Welsford bypass will be constructed between 2009 and 2014 at an expected cost of $64.8 million.
The bypass will be 10 kilometres long, but the total project area will be 13 kilometres. It includes about 1½ kilometres of realignment of the existing highway on each end of the bypass and two interchanges.
The three projects were the top three transportation priorities for the Saint John Board of Trade, said its president Imelda Gilman.
"I can't stop grinning," she said.

Gilman said improving Highway 7 is largely a safety issue, while the twinning of Highway 1 is a natural extension of building the One Mile interchange. "Improving our road to the border is going to help our region," she said.
The board had hoped the overpass would be built by 2010, but Gilman wasn't about to complain Monday. "From what I've been told, it will be the largest overpass in New Brunswick," she said.

Not everybody was impressed with Monday's announcement.
Saint John MP Paul Zed, the Liberals' Cities and Communities critic, noted in a news release that Harper and Premier Bernard Lord announced this agreement in the spring of 2006.

"I think Premier Shawn Graham deserves a great deal of credit for being aggressive and finalizing this agreement," Zed said. "The reality is New Brunswick hasn't received a dime since Prime Minister Harper and Premier Lord initially made this announcement 15 months ago."

He also said past instances of Liberal infrastructure funding had been more generous.

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WestJet rides the boom

John Mazerolle
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Published Thursday June 28th, 2007
Appeared on page C1

WestJet's decision to continue its Toronto-Saint John flights year-round affects more than just people involved in the city's energy hub or its construction boom, says the chairwoman of the Saint John Board of Trade.
Nathalie Godbout says it helps people like her 13-year-old niece, too. For years, her niece, Brette Lawlor of Saint John, has wanted to visit a cousin in Unionville, Ont. This summer it will happen, Godbout said, because WestJet's arrival in the Port City mid-May has meant more choice for travellers and therefore better prices.
"It's not just business," Godbout said. "It's families looking at flying as an accessible, convenient means of travel."

Whether travelling teenagers or high-powered executives, airline passengers learned Wednesday that they will have the opportunity to choose between Air Canada and WestJet throughout the year, not only during the warmer months. WestJet, which flies from the Saint John Airport to Toronto every day but Saturday, will continue flying to Canada's largest metropolis during the winter months, although on a reduced schedule.
Come November, one of WestJet's 119- to 166-seat Boeing 737s will arrive in Saint John and take off for Toronto three days a week - Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.

Godbout said increased flights and airline competition make the city more accessible, which increases commerce, industry and tourism. It also means more people in the city, which makes it more attractive and more likely to impress visitors or newcomers, she said.

While the energy sector has received much of the credit for attracting flights, Godbout said she believes other areas have helped, including tourism, the information technology sector, and the city's growth generally.
Ellen Tucker, the owner of Freedom Tours and Travel, said the increase in passenger traffic illustrates that the area has had enough travellers to support more flights all along, but was losing them to other airports.
She noted that not only has WestJet done well enough to extend its service, but Air Canada has increased its number of Toronto-bound flights, too. Air Canada increased the number of daily flights to four from three earlier this year, and to five for July and August.

Air Canada also offers three Montreal flights and four Halifax flights daily.
Sunwing Airlines is the final carrier involved, providing flights to sun destinations in Mexico from March to May. This was its first year, and the company will be back again in 2008.

The airport's leadership said earlier this month that the number of passengers who passed through the airport from January to May increased by 27 per cent compared to the same time last year.
Tucker said cheaper tickets have been a direct result: Although flights to Toronto can still fluctuate wildly depending on the circumstances - from about $200 to about $700 - she said the low-end prices were never available until WestJet arrived.
(Punching a Nov. 19 to 23 Saint John to Toronto flight into the websites of WestJet and Air Canada gets an identical price from each, $187.)

Travel agents appreciate WestJet for another reason, too: "They actually pay us commission, whereas the other guys don't," she said.

Tucker is part of the group that has lobbied airlines to come to Saint John - a team that includes travel agents, the Board of Trade, the airport and Mayor Norm McFarlane.
McFarlane has had an upbeat week, with news Monday that the higher levels of government would pay for the One Mile House interchange. The mayor said both successes came about for the same reason: "I think it's again because of the community working together."

McFarlane said the city's airport had gone underserviced for far too long, but at the same time he was careful to say that Air Canada is a "great company" that has always had a good relationship with the city.
"We have to make sure we're not doing anything to make Air Canada leave," he said.
Though convincing Air Canada to offer an Ottawa flight is a priority for the airport, Godbout, McFarlane and Saint John Airport CEO John Buchanan agree that the next step is a direct flight to New York.

Buchanan said the increase in flights will provide momentum in ongoing negotiations with a U.S. carrier for a New York flight.
The increased traffic, "proves, in my opinion, that Saint John's becoming a hub of industrial development," he said.
Buchanan also hopes that WestJet's winter season will go well, leading the company to increase the frequency of its service.
Natalie Green, communications co-ordinator with WestJet, said the airline tends to spread out its fleet of 65 planes during the cold months so it can provide more sun destinations.

She said the Saint John region's growth was a huge factor for the airline during its initial arrival, and a good year could potentially mean more flights in the following winter season.

In the meantime, Buchanan offered a very western celebration of WestJet's announcement: "Yee-haw," he said. "It's been a long time coming."
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not sure if this has been placed in the forum yet, does not directly affect Saint John, but more the greater Saint John area.

Kennebecasis Valley getting Staples store
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TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL
Published Monday June 11th, 2007
Appeared on page C6
Staples Business Depot is coming to the Kennebecasis Valley.
The office-supply store will take up about 1,350 square metres in the former Riverboat Entertainment Centre, a construction site superintendent said Friday.
Pat Ramsay of APM Construction said his team has been working on the space for about a month, and he expects they will finish in July.
The building, owned by Atlantic Wholesalers Ltd., used to house a bowling alley, and is located beside the Atlantic Superstore building off Marr Road. It also houses an Empire 4 Cinemas.
Atlantic Wholesalers Ltd. is the company that owns Atlantic Superstore.
Dirk Romyn, vice-president of marketing at Atlantic Wholesalers Ltd., said the entire building, including the movie theatre, is 3,240 square metres in size. Romlyn refused to comment when asked if a Staples Business Depot is moving into the space.
Beside the space that Ramsay called the future home of Staples Business Depot, another approximately 675 square metres is up for lease by Arcturus Realty Corporation.
John Reader, broker and senior leasing manager with the corporation, would not confirm or deny the Staples Business Depot buzz.
"I don't want to confirm anything," he said from his Halifax office. "There's a portion of the building leased and the person that's leasing it probably should be making the announcement of what it is."
Arcturus Realty Corporation looks after real estate for Atlantic Superstore in Ontario, Quebec, and the Atlantic provinces, Reader said.
The site, Reader said, could see future growth when the current project is completed.
"We have the ability to put up some other buildings as well but we want to finish this building first before we tap into doing any of that," he said.
Rothesay Mayor Bill Bishop also declined comment when asked whether or not the space would become a Staples Business Depot.
The bowling alley that was previously located in the building closed about one year ago, and was opened for about five years before that, Bishop said.
A phone call to the public relations specialist in Staples Business Depot's Ontario office was not returned Friday.
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Has Confederation made us a 'have-not' province?

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Published Saturday June 30th, 2007
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Canada, the peaceable kingdom, was not even a day old before street fights erupted over its creation.

The violence broke out in Saint John on July 1, 1867, as a few thousand citizens held an impromptu parade.

When they passed through a neighbourhood where anti-Confederation feelings ran high, altercations broke out. The fighting was bad enough that several men went home to have their heads bandaged.

One Saint John daily's editorial that day, calling for disgruntled citizens to "let the clamours of faction die out," had gone unheeded. Critics of Confederation had clashed with its supporters. The day was marred, divisions exposed.

Now, 140 years later, New Brunswick has begun striving toward another creation.

Premier Shawn Graham, through his self-sufficiency agenda, aspires not to a new country, but to a new level of status for his province.

Graham wants his government and its successors to deliver economic self-sufficiency by 2026. If New Brunswick generates impressive economic growth and boosts its population by an unprecedented 100,000 people, it can wean itself off federal equalization payments in 20 years, goes the argument.

New Brunswick would become a "have" province.

Graham's strategy is billed as a bold response to new challenges: an aging and declining population, global competition, struggles in forestry and opportunities in energy, the cost of providing modern public services.

Yet in a sense, the strategy is also a response to the terms on which the country was founded, and the effect Confederation has had on the Maritimes.

And for Graham's strategy to succeed, some argue, it will have to overcome the criticisms of Confederation that its opponents held so passionately in 1867.

July 1, 1867, was a holiday Monday filled with celebrations by citizens heady with patriotism.

Across the land, citizens of what the New York Times called "this political infant" decorated storefronts and public buildings with bunting and gathered for socials and picnics.

One imagines some of them expressing relief that the country's leaders had adopted a sensible name; the long-forgotten contenders suggested to the Fathers of Confederation included, incredibly, "Tuponia."

But not everyone was in a festive mood.

Throughout the Maritimes, many doubted that this political experiment would do their part of the country much good.

The region, after all, was a prosperous centre of trade and commerce. With just a sixth of the new country's people, it had a quarter of its manufacturers, both its steel mills, eight of 23 cotton mills and three of five sugar refineries.

With 42,000 citizens, Saint John was then one of the largest cities in the country, roughly the size of Toronto or Quebec City. It was home to the Bank of New Brunswick and so many financiers that locals billed Prince William Street as "the Wall Street of British North America."

Far from a "have-not" place, the Maritimes had much to lose.

And what many Maritimers feared was a loss of power to the more populous and rapidly growing central Canada. They also feared their region's interests would be ignored, their prosperity undermined.

It's not hard to find scholars who agree those fears proved valid.

In a 2001 essay, after deploring how the region is either ignored or stereotyped as backward and seeking handouts by national politicians and media - including CBC-TV's much-lauded Canada: A People's History - University of New Brunswick historian Margaret Conrad traced the problem back to 1867.

"The structure of Confederation created the framework for the region's marginalization," she wrote. "Under the British North America Act of 1867, small political jurisdictions had little chance of shaping national policy to meet their needs."

Many Atlantic historians argue that the National Policy of high protective tariffs in the years following Confederation hurt the Maritime economy.

The idea of protecting the young industries in the country from American dominance had widespread appeal. In fact, the architect of its implementation was Sir John A. Macdonald's finance minister, Sir Samuel Leonard Tilley, the teetotalling druggist from Saint John credited with being inspired by Psalm 72 to call Canada a Dominion "from sea to sea."

To the end, Tilley never doubted the policy's wisdom, says his entry in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography.

But the policy eventually cut off more mature industries in the Maritimes from their natural customers in "the Boston states." And the Maritimers were too far from central Canadian customers to compete in the long run.

"It was almost as though Maritime manufacturers had suddenly been pushed another 1,000 miles out to sea," concluded University of New Brunswick professor emeritus Ernest Forbes.

Admittedly, there's truth to the argument that central Canada's population growth and U.S. protectionism would have crippled the Maritime economy anyway.

But the so-called National Policy pretended the interests of vote-rich Ontario and Quebec were in the interest of the entire country.

That set a precedent that's followed to this day, argues Donald Savoie of the Université de Moncton, the eminent scholar of governance and regional economics.

For the past century, in example after example, Canada's elected and bureaucratic elite have made decisions and imposed policies that favoured the centre. Every Crown corporation Ottawa created during the Second World War, for example, was headquartered in central Canada.

The Auto Pact and the creation and support of Montreal's aerospace industry, were both federal interventions on behalf of specific regions.

"In the research I've done, you just see the Maritime MPs in Ottawa struggling to get attention for the issues they see as major," said Conrad. "It's always an afterthought, not part of national policy. It's kind of a sop to us to keep us from whining too much."

Instead of power at the centre of governing, or truly responsive federal institutions and policies, the Maritimes got equalization.

And in the latter half of the last century, the region got an alphabet soup of federal economic development agencies, Department of Regional Economic Expansion, Department of Regional Industrial Expansion and Atlantic Canada Opportunites Agency.

The gaps have narrowed between the Maritimes and the national average in terms of per capita incomes, but the region still lags behind.

"The real issue and nobody raises it is the small number of people. We can have as high a per capita income as the rest of the country but with only 750,000 people, it's not going to build a road from Saint John to Fredericton," said Conrad.

To achieve his self-sufficiency agenda, Graham seeks a partnership - not a spat, and certainly not a break - with Ottawa.

New Brunswick doesn't exhibit the independence-minded nationalism that Premier Danny Williams and his take-down-the-flags stunts in Newfoundland and Labrador taps into.

(That's the province, after all, where leading businessman Craig Dobbin gave a fiery speech to the St. John's Board of Trade a few years ago in which he complained Newfoundland had no power in Canada.

"If we're such a drain, such a sinkhole, let us go," Dobbin said. "We'll manage our own resources and do what leading economies like Ireland are doing.")

Neither has Graham cited the old criticisms of Confederation in pitching his agenda, either to the public or to the prime minister.

Graham has focused on making a business-like case for the cooperation from Ottawa on policy and for $500-million in strategic investments.

Savoie has said he's not certain the self-sufficiency strategy will work, but "It can be done. Ireland has done it.

"But it's not going to be the government of New Brunswick doing it alone.

"That simply won't work."

It's more important for Ottawa to be willing to re-examine its policies - putting "everything on the table-" than for it to find $500 million more for the province, the kind of money for a routine highway agreement, says Savoie.

Savoie says the region also has to embrace New England as its natural and most promising market, as well as its fastest-growing in recent relations with the Maritimes.

Integrating the Maritimes with the global economy by improving eastern Canada and New England as a route for Asian shippers entering North America would return to the Maritimes' historic, pre-Confederation North-South alignment.

Even the energy hub developing in Saint John - with an LNG terminal and possibly a second Irving Oil refinery and second reactor adding to the existing refinery and about-to-be refurbished Point Lepreau nuclear plant - is predominantly directed at the New England market.

For her part, Conrad has mixed feelings about the self-sufficiency agenda - part optimism, part caution, part rolling her eyes because she's heard it all before.

"All of that," she said with a laugh, before outlining her own vision of the province's potential - a vision that values economic opportunity without sacrificing its way of life and the personal scale of its communities.

Mostly, she cautions that history doesn't repeat itself, that Maritime prosperity before Confederation was driven by factors particular to that time, and that the country was created with certain notions of fairness that are worth fighting for.

Said Conrad: "We have to be very careful in talking about self-sufficiency that we don't deny ourselves what is our rightful share of the Confederation pie."
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