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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 4:38 AM
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Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, TX Metro Area (2024 5-year estimates)

Foreign born 1,805,810

Europe 79,210
Asia 466,637
Africa 120,791
Americas 1,135,012

Mexico 588,518
El Salvador 131,807
Honduras 101,982
Vietnam 99,507
India 99,142
Nigeria 59,746
Venezuela 57,115
China 56,738
Guatemala 50,897
Cuba 46,851
Philippines 42,937
Colombia 40,295
Pakistan 35,165
United Kingdom 21,105
Canada 19,183
Korea 14,046
Nicaragua 13,021
Taiwan 12,485
Iran 12,449
Brazil 11,835
Peru 10,242
Jamaica 9,924
Iraq 9,427
Germany 8,546
Argentina 7,577
Ecuador 6,935
Trinidad and Tobago 6,853
Russia 6,828
Cameroon 6,702
Dominican Republic 6,468
Kenya 6,247
Turkey 6,229
Egypt 6,122
Afghanistan 5,995
South Africa 5,243
Ethiopia 5,169
Japan 5,062

# 50000+: 9
# 20000+: 14
# 10000+: 21
# 5000+: 37

Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area (2024 5-year estimates)

Foreign born 1,550,531

Europe 66,549
Asia 500,658
Africa 139,424
Americas 839,194

Mexico 575,042
India 181,474
Vietnam 64,581
El Salvador 63,501
Honduras 41,244
Nigeria 37,689
China 36,882
Philippines 28,447
Venezuela 28,037
Korea 27,936
Pakistan 24,176
Guatemala 23,962
Nepal 19,246
Canada 17,472
Ethiopia 17,264
Cuba 16,202
United Kingdom 15,437
Colombia 14,079
Iran 12,214
Brazil 11,912
Kenya 11,810
Iraq 10,305
Taiwan 9,041
Bangladesh 9,009
Peru 8,644
Germany 8,549
Ghana 7,645
Cameroon 6,283
Nicaragua 6,092
Egypt 5,967
Myanmar 5,863
Laos 5,269
Russia 5,195

# 50000+: 4
# 20000+: 12
# 10000+: 22
# 5000+: 33
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 5:26 AM
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Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area (2024 5-year estimates)

Foreign born 1,535,913

Europe 115,090
Asia 541,334
Africa 249,721
Americas 625,582

El Salvador 206,336
India 110,777
Guatemala 63,693
Ethiopia 62,526
Korea 61,092
China 59,705
Mexico 51,146
Vietnam 47,566
Honduras 46,095
Philippines 45,887
Peru 40,651
Bolivia 32,367
Pakistan 31,541
Nigeria 31,495
Ghana 27,657
Jamaica 25,394
Colombia 24,463
Iran 23,340
Afghanistan 23,182
Cameroon 22,624
United Kingdom 19,706
Bangladesh 17,511
Brazil 14,314
Nepal 13,732
Sierra Leone 13,677
Germany 13,649
Dominican Republic 13,055
Nicaragua 11,930
Russia 11,910
Canada 11,816
Taiwan 11,780
Egypt 10,962
Venezuela 10,937
Japan 9,545
Trinidad and Tobago 9,161
Turkey 9,121
Morocco 8,951
Ecuador 8,830
Argentina 8,641
France 8,185
Haiti 8,009
Guyana 7,372
Thailand 7,093
Ukraine 7,088
Iraq 6,407
Eritrea 6,214
Kenya 6,114
Lebanon 6,111
Spain 5,882
Chile 5,727
Italy 5,716
Liberia 5,310
Hong Kong 5,194

# 50000+: 7
# 20000+: 20
# 10000+: 33
# 5000+: 53
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 5:35 AM
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Can't say, as I've never been to Chicago (except landing at one of Chicago's airports once), but in California the Mexican food is essentially the Tex-Mex sort, and it's meh...
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I've never heard anyone say this in my life
Me neither. There's some pretty good authentic regional Mexican cuisine to be had in southern California. I eat plenty of Mexican food in the Los Angeles area, none of it Tex-Mex. I got the receipts!




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Then of course there are the huaraches, tortas...

And what's up with New Brisavoine saying Mexican cuisine is "not super sophisticated"?? It's very sophisticated; it has complex multilayered flavors, and complex preparation techniques. It's even on the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage list. And chili sauce? Does he mean salsa?

And what's this about not being able to get good authentic Chinese food in North America? New Brisavoine has obviously never been to the San Gabriel Valley!
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San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area (2024 5-year estimates)

Foreign born 1,481,065

Europe 129,093
Asia 844,546
Africa 41,950
Oceania 22,432
Americas 443,044

Mexico 229,023
China 221,498
India 159,031
Philippines 157,177
El Salvador 55,154
Vietnam 52,548
Hong Kong 43,761
Guatemala 42,231
Korea 32,734
Taiwan 31,944
United Kingdom 23,915
Canada 21,780
Iran 19,106
Nicaragua 17,560
Peru 16,688
Japan 16,477
Brazil 15,023
Russia 13,459
Afghanistan 12,991
Germany 12,320
Myanmar 11,252
Ukraine 11,795
France 10,806
Pakistan 9,979
Honduras 9,665
Fiji 9,642
Colombia 9,159
Thailand 8,470
Nigeria 7,634
Nepal 7,388
Italy 6,203
Ireland 6,055
Indonesia 5,960

# 50000+: 6
# 20000+: 12
# 10000+: 23
# 5000+: 34
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Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH Metro Area (2024 5-year estimates)

Foreign born 991,133

Europe 148,855
Asia 321,653
Africa 89,872
Americas 426,960

China 93,566
Dominican Republic 92,621
Brazil 78,441
India 69,537
Haiti 53,849
El Salvador 40,290
Vietnam 29,724
Guatemala 27,975
Cabo Verde 25,876
Colombia 25,471
Canada 20,306
United Kingdom 18,592
Korea 16,970
Russia 14,972
Portugal 13,696
Italy 13,662
Cambodia 13,083
Jamaica 12,337
Honduras 11,320
Ireland 10,261
Albania 10,178
Mexico 9,534
Germany 9,279
Hong Kong 9,104
Philippines 8,812
Morocco 8,734
Taiwan 8,420
Nigeria 8,308
Ecuador 8,263
Greece 7,571
Ukraine 7,131
Kenya 6,976
Peru 6,729
Lebanon 6,427
Iran 6,402
Japan 6,074
Trinidad and Tobago 5,996
France 5,864
Ethiopia 5,583
Israel 5,463
Venezuela 5,104
Nepal 5,058
Poland 5,003

# 50000+: 5
# 20000+: 11
# 10000+: 21
# 5000+: 44
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 6:54 AM
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Polite reminder, London's foreign born for its US style metro area would be anything up to 6.1m (2021 census).

For the European style metro area (the London Metropolitan Area) it would be 4.4m

For the Functional Urban Area 4.1m

I would imagine more today given the census was measured during a lockdown, and record migration happened after (near 1m a year).
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 9:38 AM
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STOP TALKING ABOUT MEXICAN FOOD!!! ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

*upset Chicagoan who still hasn't found a really great Mexican restaurant in London

I annot wait to visit in two weeks. I think I will do high (Topolobampo) and low (hmmmm...so many choices).

Another city with a surprisingly high number of people of Mexican origin is Kansas City. I think it is like 10% or 11%
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 11:46 AM
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And what's up with New Brisavoine saying Mexican cuisine is "not super sophisticated"?? It's very sophisticated; it has complex multilayered flavors, and complex preparation techniques. It's even on the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage list.
Yeah, yeah. I've seen these sorts of conversations many times on online forums. You pick any country in the world, and you always have people telling you this country has great and varied cuisine, bla bla bla.

I'm talking about the everyday experience, not some fancy restaurants in the Western world. You really think Mexicans eat the things you posted on an everyday basis?
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2026, 11:58 AM
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Polite reminder, London's foreign born for its US style metro area would be anything up to 6.1m (2021 census).

For the European style metro area (the London Metropolitan Area) it would be 4.4m

For the Functional Urban Area 4.1m
For the London FUA it's 3.76 million in 2021.

In comparison it's 5.89 million for the New York FUA, 5.21 million for the Los Angeles FUA, 3.09 million for the Toronto FUA, 2.82 million* for the Paris FUA (including the people born in the overseas departments and territories), and 2.53 million in the Miami FUA.

*actually this seems to be an underestimate by the OECD, because there were 3.25 million foreign born (incl. overseas born) in the Paris Region in 2022, and the Paris FUA is slightly larger than the Paris Region, so it cannot be just 2.82 million in 2021. Perhaps they haven't included the 439,000 people born abroad with French citizenship at birth, in which case the stat would align with OECD's stat, but it's bizarre they didn't include the non-immigrant foreign born for Paris, and included them for other cities. The French statistical office only reports about the immigrants (unlike the British statistical office and the US Census Bureau who do not distinguish between immigrants and non-immigrant foreign-born). The French statistical office is not interested in the French people born abroad (of whom we have many due to our former colonial empire).
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STOP TALKING ABOUT MEXICAN FOOD!!! ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

*upset Chicagoan who still hasn't found a really great Mexican restaurant in London

I annot wait to visit in two weeks. I think I will do high (Topolobampo) and low (hmmmm...so many choices).

Another city with a surprisingly high number of people of Mexican origin is Kansas City. I think it is like 10% or 11%
Was it Steely that stated KC has a substantial Mexican population initially from it being a huge railroad junction for USA and the stockyards, related industries.
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For the London FUA it's 3.76 million in 2021.

In comparison it's 5.89 million for the New York FUA, 5.21 million for the Los Angeles FUA, 3.09 million for the Toronto FUA, 2.82 million* for the Paris FUA (including the people born in the overseas departments and territories), and 2.53 million in the Miami FUA.
The population you cite for the Toronto FUA reads as roughly the same as The City of Toronto proper.

But the foreign born statistic in Toronto is much higher than that, in the range of 51-53%

Census data below:

https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/upload...igration-Religion-FINAL1.1-corrected.pdf
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These appear to be largely working class suburbs or very upscale suburbs, Miami is the only large US city that is majority immigrant and San Jose are the only large US city in the 40-49.9% range. Fremont, CA is the most affluent immigrant-majority city in the US.

The 1-year estimate only includes cities with 60,000+ Population.

Major City in BOLD RED

Cities Proper, Foreign-Born(Per Capita Income) 2024:
50%+
77.1%-Hialeah, FL($26,435)--Miami(MSA)
71.6%-Doral, FL($40,702)--Miami
56.9%-Miami, FL($45,837)
54.8%-Glendale, CA($49,653)--Los Angeles
54.6%-Milpitas, CA($69,335)--San Jose
54.2%-Elizabeth, NJ($28,969)--New York
53.5%-Union City, NJ($33,175)--New York
53.4%-Weston, FL($59,866)---Miami
52.7%-Union City, CA(57,977)--San Francisco
51.7%-Fremont, CA($77,049)--San Francisco
51.6%-Miami Beach, FL($75,054)--Miami
51.5%-Paterson, NJ($24,403)--New York
51.1%-Gaithersburg, MD($54,861)--Washington DC
50.9%-Lawrence, MA($28,249)--Boston

40.0%-49.9%
48.7%-Bellevue, WA($97,015)--Seattle
48.3%-Santa Clara, CA($89,833)--San Jose
48.1%-El Monte, CA($25,481)--Los Angeles
47.8%-San Ramon, CA($84,288)--San Francisco
47.8%-Sunnyvale, CA($101,185)--San Jose
47.6%-Westminster, CA($36,053)--Los Angeles
47.4%-Daly City, CA($50,863)--San Francisco
46.8%-Garden Grove, CA($33,568)--Los Angeles
45.7%-Hayward, CA($45,923)--San Francisco
45.7%-Jersey City, NJ($60,429)--New York
45.6%-Miramar, FL($38,580)--Miami
45.3%-Kendall, FL($50,412)--Miami
44.7%-Baldwin Park, CA($26,703)--Los Angeles
44.4%-Homestead, FL($25,654)--Miami
43.8%-Lauderhill, FL($27,022)--Miami
43.8%-Redmond, WA($92,776)--Seattle
43.6%-Mountain View, CA($112,591)--San Jose
43.6%-South Gate, CA($26,381)--Los Angeles
44.1%-Alhambra, CA($43,562)--Los Angeles
43.4%-Lynn, MA($35,598)--Boston
43.1%-Town'n'Country, FL($39,445)--Miami
42.9%-San Jose, CA($65,945)
42.8%-Hollywood, FL($39,358)--Miami
42.6%-Miami Gardens, FL($26,595)-Miami
42.3%-Pembroke Pines, FL($41,773)--Miami
42.1%-East Orange, NJ($33,200)--New York
42.1%-Irving, TX($40,642)--Dallas
41.8%-Santa Ana, CA($30,222)--Los Angeles
41.7%-Malden, MA($48,581)--Boston
41.5%-Irvine, CA($64,055)--Los Angeles
41.3%-Sunrise, FL($36,618)--Miami
40.9%-Palo Alto, CA($123,939)--San Jose
40.7%-Kissimmee, FL($26,317)--Orlando
40.6%-Cicero, IL($25,547)--Chicago
40.6%-Tamarac, FL($35,893)--Miami
40.2%-Federal Way, WA($40,975)--Seattle
40.2%-Lynwood, CA($42,975)--Los Angeles
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The population you cite for the Toronto FUA reads as roughly the same as The City of Toronto proper.
Absolutely not. Re-read and try to understand what I wrote.
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The worst food I ever had was a mexican restaurant in Groningen (not my choice, was at a conference and a bunch of the Europeans thought that would be a good idea for some reason). That said, Dutch food in general is nothing to write home about...


One of the most interesting meals I had was Thai restaurant in Kangerlussuaq (no longer around, as far as I can tell). Musk Ox Curry.
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Bellevue and Redmond are looking good.

They're the "San Jose" of the Seattle area, though located more like Oakland rather than Tacoma and with less annexation.
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Was it Steely that stated KC has a substantial Mexican population initially from it being a huge railroad junction for USA and the stockyards, related industries.
That must have been someone else.

But railroads and stockyards were two of the primary reasons why mexican immigrants first started coming to chicago in the early 20th century, so perhaps the same thing played out in KC?

Either way, KC is one of the most Latino cities in the midwest/rustbelt. And I would imagine that is largely due to mexicans, as it is for most places west of Ohio (where Puerto Ricans begin to predominate).

Though it should be pointed out that all of the cities below, other than Chicago, fall well below the national Latino share of 18%. Chicago is a true outlier in the region in this regard.



Midwest/Rustbelt 1M+ MSAs by latino share (2020):

chicago: 2,239,376 (23.3%)
milwaukee: 182,777 (11.6%)
kansas city: 229,233 (10.5%)
grand rapids: 110,671 (10.2%)
indianapolis: 177,787 (8.4%)
rochetser: 88,854 (8.1%)
minneapolis: 242,621 (6.8%)
cleveland: 133,862 (6.4%)
buffalo: 67,476 (5.8%)
columbus: 110,967 (5.2%)
detroit: 219,953 (5.0%)
cincinnati: 95,073 (4.2%)
st. louis: 106,269 (3.8%)
pittsburgh: 52,920 (2.2%)
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Sorry if I misattributed that to you about KC, Steely. I thought some forumer chimed in about it a while back anyway.

Almost a quarter million is a substantial number even if only around 11% of the entire KC Metro.
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Mexican food in California is probably better than Mexican food in Mexico itself...

California in general is very geographically blessed when it comes to produce.
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California in general is very geographically blessed when it comes to produce.
The Central Valley is flat and has fertile soil. It's hot, dry, with little frost risk, but depends on massive human intervention and aquifer depletion. The status quo is unsustainable long term.
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Absolutely not. Re-read and try to understand what I wrote.
First, never condescend to me; its boorish and tactless and makes everything you say look suspect.

If you disagree with me, fine, politely explain why and provide evidence.

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Now, respectfully, you cited a population of 3.09 million for the FUA, this aligns almost exactly with the population of the City of Toronto proper.

What you wrote:

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In comparison it's 5.89 million for the New York FUA, 5.21 million for the Los Angeles FUA, 3.09 million for the Toronto FUA, 2.82 million* for the Paris FUA (including the people born in the overseas departments and territories), and 2.53 million in the Miami FUA.
If you have a map showing the FUA covering a different area, that's fine, but there's virtually no way to construct that number with any other administrative units in the Toronto area. .

The point of this, of course, was not to tick you off, but to use the census statistics for Toronto for the foreign born which I linked to.
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