Canadian Federal Election

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by Build.It

And yet according to the poll Carney has the better vision by a landslide lol.

I think that's due to a lot of people not liking PP.

[Build.It]

Originally Posted by Calgarian

I think that's due to a lot of people not liking PP.

This forum isn't exactly his base.

[Djeffery]

Has anyone signed up for the Liberals to be able to cast a vote in the leadership race? I did last week, thought what the heck, this will be the first time in my voting life I will have the chance to directly cast a vote for Prime Minister. 1993 Kim Campbell race was a delegated convention and I was too young in 1984. I have joined several political parties over the years, federal and provincial, just to be able to participate in our versions of the "primaries" for leaders or local candidates.

[Build.It]

Yes. It's free, everyone should sign up.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Has anyone signed up for the Liberals to be able to cast a vote in the leadership race? I did last week, thought what the heck, this will be the first time in my voting life I will have the chance to directly cast a vote for Prime Minister. 1993 Kim Campbell race was a delegated convention and I was too young in 1984. I have joined several political parties over the years, federal and provincial, just to be able to participate in our versions of the "primaries" for leaders or local candidates.

Yup, and trying to get more people to sign up. That’s quite a good point, that this leadership race is a rare opportunity where people can actually directly vote for who will become our next PM.

[1overcosc]

It's a bit meaningless as whoever wins will be the next Kim Campbell, but a PM is a PM, nonetheless.

[1overcosc]

It should be noted that you can't join the Liberals if you're already a member of another federal party, or of any provincial NDP. But I doubt they have the ability to check.

[samne]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Odd take. Trudeau had been trying for years to bring him into the fold.

Exactly and decided to jump in now when he can be anointed as PM without the hassle of an election.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Build.It

This forum isn't exactly his base.

If she was an option, most people here would pick Anand even though the overwhelming majority of Canadians have no idea who she is.

[Build.It]

I'm voting for Chandra.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

The best thing for the Liberals, and the NDP frankly, is to wait until October 20 to hold an election. PP's fear of Trump, and speaking out against his own mini MAGA in Canada group will be his undermining. The longer we are living in a Trump world the bigger the backlash there will be at the polls against politicians that seem to look up to Trump and echo his policies. PP can't even say transgender Canadians exist.

Agreed. I really don’t get Singh’s reasoning if he really does intend to bring down the government at the earliest opportunity, especially if it’s because he thinks the NDP stands a better chance to get marginally more seats at the expense of the LPC, as that scenario would almost certainly result in a conservative majority.

It would demonstrate a fundamentally flawed understanding of political power, as the NDP currently has more political power than they’ve had in decades, and their only chance to maintain any power at all is to hold the CPC to a minority.

I’m hoping logic kicks in and Mr. Singh says he’s changed his mind due to the situation with Trump, or many other reasonable factors like the CPC wanting to get rid of the dental and pharmacare policies that the NDP fought for.

Pretty much the only people that will be mad if Singh changes his mind and decides to hold off on toppling the Liberal government under a new PM would be Pierre Poilievre and the CPC base.

Holding off on triggering an election seems to be the best chance to avoid a CPC majority, and best chance for the NDP to retain some political power in the House of Commons.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Pretty much the only people that will be mad if Singh changes his mind and decides to hold off on toppling the Liberal government under a new PM would be Pierre Poilievre and the CPC base.

Actually, no. Most of the NDP base would be quite angry at Singh if we decided to prop up the Liberals again, especially if said Liberal leader is Carney. It was the NDP base that has been demanding Singh pull support from Trudeau for months now.

People like you and TorontoDrew consistently fail to understand what the NDP is.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Actually, no. Most of the NDP base would be quite angry at Singh if we decided to prop up the Liberals again, especially if said Liberal leader is Carney. It was the NDP base that has been demanding Singh pull support from Trudeau for months now.

People like you and TorontoDrew consistently fail to understand what the NDP is.

Sounds like some NDP supporters (including yourself?) have a fundamentally flawed understanding of politics. Why would NDP voters be mad at the NDP hanging onto their power sharing agreement with the LPC earlier than needed only to bring on a PP led CPC majority?

It’s not only ideologically inconsistent, it’s a foolish and irresponsible way to look at electoral politics. The NDP has more power today with less than 1/4th the seat total than they had after the “orange wave”. The NDP hasn’t had this much power in the House of Commons since the mid 1970s.

So yeah, I’d have to strongly disagree. I think you’re way off base if you think most NDP supporters want to see their party vote to topple the Liberals as soon as possible and give up their party holding power, only to bring on a Conservative majority led by Pierre Poilievre.

Politics is often a zero sum game, and if the CPC wins a majority, the NDP will suffer a huge loss.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by Build.It

This forum isn't exactly his base.

Very true.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Actually, no. Most of the NDP base would be quite angry at Singh if we decided to prop up the Liberals again, especially if said Liberal leader is Carney. It was the NDP base that has been demanding Singh pull support from Trudeau for months now.

People like you and TorontoDrew consistently fail to understand what the NDP is.

You are mistaken to think I fail to understand the role of the NDP. I vote for them from time to time depending on what the elections are and who is running. personally I'd be pissed if the NDP forced an election now. Now is not the time . Also the NDP timeline for ousting Liberals comes after Jagmeet Singh secures pension FEb 25th. If he does it before it will prove he is not looking out for himself, if he does it after that date he is just as bad as any other politician from any other party.

We don't need elections right now, we can't afford the uncertainty of what will happen atm. It's best to give Trump a few months to throw fuel into his dumpster fire of a government.

An election right now will only be good for far right agendas. So for any NDP supporter who only supports the NDP, I hope they know an election would be just as bad for them as a Liberal voter.

In a 3 party system people need to learn how to vote strategically.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

You are mistaken to think I fail to understand the role of the NDP. I vote for them from time to time depending on what the elections are and who is running. personally I'd be pissed if the NDP forced an election now. Now is not the time . Also the NDP timeline for ousting Liberals comes after Jagmeet Singh secures pension FEb 25th. If he does it before it will prove he is not looking out for himself, if he does it after that date he is just as bad as any other politician from any other party.

We don't need elections right now, we can't afford the uncertainty of what will happen atm. It's best to give Trump a few months to throw fuel into his dumpster fire of a government.

An election right now will only be good for far right agendas. So for any NDP supporter who only supports the NDP, I hope they know an election would be just as bad for them as a Liberal voter.

In a 3 party system people need to learn how to vote strategically.

There is no mechanism for Singh to bring down the government now anyway, as the house is prorogued. He got all tough talking once he knew his pension was set (even though I still don't put much faith in that being his motivation). And even if an election was called right now, it can't happen until March 3 at the earliest ( I think). Granted, I don't know if that service anniversary for pension qualification ends at dissolution, or the date of an election loss, or the date the new MP's are sworn in if you happen to lose. But regardless, Trudeau isn't calling an election.

[casper]

Obviously I did not want to jump to an immediate conclusion on the question. It required a few seconds to make the decision.

PP vision is more appropriate for Purolator or Canada Post not the federal government. He is fixated on brining things home for people.

Carney has a stronger vision to defend Canada from Trump and back it up with the international financial experience to make it work.

If anyone caught Trumps address to the WEF, there is no question Trump focus is on blackmailing other countries. We need a strong PM that understands how to negotiate internationally and finance. That is not PP.

[Build.It]

Originally Posted by casper

Obviously I did not want to jump to an immediate conclusion on the question. It required a few seconds to make the decision.

PP vision is more appropriate for Purolator or Canada Post not the federal government. He is fixated on brining things home for people.

Carney has a stronger vision to defend Canada from Trump and back it up with the international financial experience to make it work.

If anyone caught Trumps address to the WEF, there is no question Trump focus is on blackmailing other countries. We need a strong PM that understands how to negotiate internationally and finance. That is not PP.

What is Carney's vision specifically?

Do you know what "blackmail" means?

And what exactly has Carney ever negotiated?

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

The best thing for the Liberals, and the NDP frankly, is to wait until October 20 to hold an election. PP's fear of Trump, and speaking out against his own mini MAGA in Canada group will be his undermining. The longer we are living in a Trump world the bigger the backlash there will be at the polls against politicians that seem to look up to Trump and echo his policies. PP can't even say transgender Canadians exist.

An early Ontario election could play a huge role as well. Ford could easily win an election if one was held right now. If he did that the chances of Ontario also backing a PC Conservative party would become very slim. History has shown that Ontarian's don't like having the same political party running the Federal Government and Provincial government at the same time.

The Ontario provincial election may give us a good indication of what will happen in the federal one. It is very true that Ontario as a whole doesn't like having the same parties in both federally and provincially at the same time.

Some people think it's a guaranteed win for the Ford PCs. I don't. Ontario has had many (and maybe most?) elections over the last 40 years where the party ahead at the beginning of the campaign in polls didn't end up winning. In 1990 the Liberals had around a 20 point lead over both the NDP and PCs. But the NDP ended up winning a majority government as voters were upset that Liberal Premier David Peterson called an election at just under 3 years into their mandate. Many voters voted NDP in protest. Peterson thought his government would be easily re-elected before the worst parts of the recession at that time hit. Ford is very vulnerable when it comes to health care issues as his promise to end "hallway healthcare" wasn't fulfilled and things have actually gotten worse with a record number of Ontarians not having a family doctor.

If I had to guess I would say that a Ford majority victory will mean that most federal seats will go Liberal federally with a new leader in place. If the Ford PCs lose or even have a minority win then the PP CPC will probably do very well in the province. It's rare to see Ontario trend the same way at both levels of government.

The wildcard is if the NDP were to win provincially in Ontario. I really don't see it happening but the party leader and leader of the official opposition Marit Stiles does have a lot of charisma and character. She's originally from St. John's NL and recently did a video address to Donald Trump which is was played across American media and got a lot of views.

[whatnext]

Mods please add NDP, Greens, Bloc Québécois and PPC to this kind of poll. There are more than two parties.