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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 2:03 PM
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Would be an awesome spot to live.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. It's at the intersection of 2 clogged and busy roads, surrounded by low-rise single family homes and a farm/field across the street and the closest retail, restaurants, grocery stores are a 2km walk away (on that busy Baseline road) to Baseline/Merivale area.

Maybe we have different definitions of awesome.
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Sure density on a future bus rapid transitway is great, but have we thought about the impact on the plants in the farm? I worry anything over 2 stories is gonna prevent our ability as a nation to adjust to climate change with all the critical research in the experimental farm getting shaded.
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Ahhh damn. I just realized something. We're going to have to tear down all the towers at Westgate and cancel all future development. They cast significant evening shadows on a huge swath of the farm all throughout the summer in the evening. Look at all the crop damage the new 24 story tower will be doing at the end of the day today!

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Ottawafication Step 1 : Complete
Ottawafication Step 2 : Drop 32fl tower to 27fl : Pending
Step 3: Cost cut balconies as much as possible, delete floor to ceiling windows, and make all other window openings smaller. Or was that assumption already baked into your Step 1 because it's a given?
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Ahhh damn. I just realized something. We're going to have to tear down all the towers at Westgate and cancel all future development. They cast significant evening shadows on a huge swath of the farm all throughout the summer in the evening. Look at all the crop damage the new 24 story tower will be doing at the end of the day today!

Is this right? Does the shadow reach Carleton?

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Theberge said the project is expected to be completed in three phases. A 24-storey tower containing 320 rental units is the first structure slated to be built on what is now a surface parking lot south of the existing mall.

Most of the units in the first highrise would be split between one- and two-bedroom suites, with a total of about two dozen studio and three-bedroom apartments rounding out the development. A proposed underground garage would contain 370 parking spaces to complement the plaza’s 138 existing spots.
Yes, a car free world includes 370 parking spaces for 320 units, in addition to the 138 existing spots.

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We think the BRT is something that’s needed,” Theberge said. “But in order to get the BRT funded, you have to have a reason for it. If you build it, they will come. It’s an old saying, but you need to build something in order for (transit) to be funded.

“I don’t think we’re going to see it in our lifetime, but we’re trying to move to a carless society. In order to do that, you need to have stuff near the (transit) stations.”
I support higher density along Baseline. I have nothing against this project (pending the City conversations with the Farm, though I could see them wasting hours discussing individual projects instead of having a holistic conversation about development around the Farm).

That said, I'm a little sick of the City arguing for density based on lines on a map they have no intention of building. Then you have Bank and Rideau-Montreal with no planned transit getting the same density.

And why would we need to reach a density target before building the bare-bones BRT-lite along Baseline? The City had no issues building rail in farm fields and low-density neighbourhoods for Phase 2 (and Phase 3 had it gone ahead).

I don't think anything frustrates me more in this City than the gas-lighting related to Baseline and Carling illusionary transit lines.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 7:06 PM
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Is this right? Does the shadow reach Carleton?
It does, at least according to the shadow calculator with the exact building height plugged in!
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Gotta have to stop the new hospital campus before it's too late. I bet it will be robbing the greenhouses of those precious 5 minutes of sunshine just after the sunrise.
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Gotta have to stop the new hospital campus before it's too late. I bet it will be robbing the greenhouses of those precious 5 minutes of sunshine just after the sunrise.
Totally true! We need to build a subterranean hospital. Those precious morning rays have a spectrum of light that is crucial to research that guarantees our food security for the nation.
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Come to the Ottawa SSP subforum for the real estate intel.
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Ottawa developer warns against ‘blanket policies’ for developments around Central Experimental Farm

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An Ottawa developer who wants to build three residential highrises near the Central Experimental Farm said the city should continue to consider proposals in the area on a case-by-case basis as community groups and federal officials raise concerns about shadowing.

Joey Theberge, owner of Theberge Homes, has filed a proposal with the city to build two 24-storey highrises and a 32-storey tower at 780 Baseline Rd., on the site of a strip mall that contains the original Lone Star Texas Grill.

The site is located just south of the Central Experimental Farm, an agricultural research facility in the heart of the city that has been the focus of controversy for developers.

On Wednesday, the city’s planning and housing committee approved a highrise proposal from Taggart Realty Management that would see two towers built at 1081 Carling Ave., across the street from the farm.

Representatives from Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC) were at the meeting to raise concerns that shadows cast by the buildings would reach a significant portion of the farm lands, rendering them unusable for research purposes.

Deputy minister Stefanie Beck told councillors that the AAFC would consider legal action if the project was approved.

“Our concerns today should also be understood to extend to future development plans around the farm,” said Beck. “We are hoping not to have to take any such action, but we are losing access to research facilities that cost millions of dollars. If we’re being asked to mitigate, there’s a cost to that.”

Theberge said that while he does keep up with development news from other projects in the area, he can’t speak to Taggart’s case or any potential litigation.

Still, he said he isn’t overly concerned.

“I don’t have the same opinion that some community members have that precedents get set,” he said.

But Theberge said he doesn’t agree with councillors who want clearer policies and restrictions around the experimental farm to prevent similar conflicts over future developments.

“There were comments that they should be looking for a blanket policy around the farm,” he said. “I don’t agree with that. I think they’re site-specific locations. There are specific locations that are suitable for high-density, mid-density, and low-rise (projects) all across the city. If we just blanket anything around the farm, we’re going to lose a lot of opportunities.”

His property’s location on the corner of Baseline and Fisher Avenues is well suited to high-density development due to its location on the corner of two major roads, Theberge said.

“If you look around the farm, there’s probably only a few locations where high density can occur,” he said. “You’re not going to get high density where it’s all low-rise housing. My site is one of only a few areas that can get high density.”

He added that because each site is unique, it’s impossible to apply a blanket height limit to all properties near the farm.

“You can’t put up towers everywhere and block everything, but there are certain locations where it’s suitable,” he said.

The site is also located on the planned bus rapid transit route along Baseline Road. With a new LRT station also set to be built in the vicinity, both Baseline Road and Carling Avenue have been identified by the city as ideal areas for intensification, including housing.

Theberge said it’s important that developments like his and Taggart’s are built to ensure the success of these transit plans.

“I truly believe the (base rapid transit) is not a matter of if but of when,” he said. “I’m a believer, like other developers, that you need to build infrastructure before the stations pop up. I believe that quote, that if you build it they will come. You need to build demand before you put in billions of dollars in infrastructure.”

Theberge added that his company has been working on its proposal for about three years. Several changes to the design of the three towers have already been made to address a variety of concerns, including adjusting the height and shape of the buildings to minimize shadowing impacts on the farm, he said.

“We’ve done three iterations in partnership with the city,” Theberge said. “When you change the building, we get new shadowing patterns. For us, the shadow impacts on the farm are really only prevalent in the winter months. We’re a very different orientation than Taggart is.”

https://obj.ca/ottawa-developer-warns-blanket-policies-experimental-farm/
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2023, 6:01 PM
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Bias much?

Of we should have a blanket policy around the Farm. This is not case-by-case. The Farm has specific needs, with a few months of work, they could easily nail down restrictions needed to preserve the Farm. Case-by-case would result in every developer spending hundreds of thousands, millions, on plans that would need to be shelved. City would then be sued by each developer. What he's saying is nonsensical.

As for “I truly believe the (bus rapid transit) is not a matter of if but of when,” I don't believe it. City is getting what they want without having to invest. Why are we spending hundreds of millions to bring rail to rural farm land and low-density suburbs with no TOD potential, but not where density is happening or already exists? The policies don't follow logic.
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I'm still waiting for one of these 'scientists' at the the farm to realize that short fat buildings cause more shadow time on the farm than tall thin buildings.
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Theberge is not wrong in thinking that if the city puts in place the blanket policy that the Farm, Community association, general anti-development types (horizon Ottawa & etc), and some councilors want, then the city will be losing out on thousands of units in that area and I doubt any of the aforementioned groups would care to outline directly where locally those units will be made up.

He's also not wrong in that getting these units built and increasing the density is a requirement for these BRT/LRT system to prosper, without the increased ridership base they will likely just flounder until there frequency is reduced to useless levels.
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[QUOTE=Harley613;10044919]I'm still waiting for one of these 'scientists' at the the farm to realize that short fat buildings cause more shadow time on the farm than tall thin buildings.[/QUOTE

‘Scientists’ lol. Don’t hold your breath waiting Harley!
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I'm still waiting for one of these 'scientists' at the the farm to realize that short fat buildings cause more shadow time on the farm than tall thin buildings.
I sincerely believe that if the City and the Farm scientists sit down and work together, they could come up with fact based restrictions to protect the research. I don't think the scientists care about the height, only about overall shadowing. During the meeting, Council had a gun to their head demanding they come up with a height, and they did the best they could with back of the napkin math.

I really think that the current research at the Farm needs to be moved. I'd love to hear some sort of timeline defining how long they need to complete ongoing research and move on. It's not that simple, I'm sure, but staying at that location is viable long term.
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Updated proposal (October 2023)


"Finally... the charcwhiteification is complete!" squeals Rod Lahey as he wrings his hands in glee, before proceeding to place yet another order for grey brick and random panels.


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"Finally... the charcwhiteification is complete!" squeals Rod Lahey as he wrings his hands in glee, before proceeding to place yet another order for grey brick and random panels.
https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D07-12-23-0076/details
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I wonder if/when the general public in this city are going to notice this ridiculous situation where the developers are buying the same design a hundred times over.
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I wonder if/when the general public in this city are going to notice this ridiculous situation where the developers are buying the same design a hundred times over.
And then calling them "luxury apartments" and charging a premium. Meanwhile in Montreal...
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