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Oh no, my statement wasn't because I think they're too big for the area, just that they'd be massive. I'm all for it, the more density and height we can get - the more we can develop Ottawa into a city with better walkability and true 15 minute neighborhoods.
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If the city believes in bus transit, then building transit amenities right into such projects needs to start being a thing.

That privately-owned public space, as currently proposed, does not provide the claimed amenity for waiting bus passengers.

It could. But it doesn't.
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If the city believes in bus transit, then building transit amenities right into such projects needs to start being a thing.

That privately-owned public space, as currently proposed, does not provide the claimed amenity for waiting bus passengers.

It could. But it doesn't.
The Baseline BRT will be built in the median, will it not? If that's the case, no point in integrating bus transit infrastructure.
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The Baseline BRT will be built in the median, will it not? If that's the case, no point in integrating bus transit infrastructure.
The Baseline BRT is a long ways away, and it is only on Baseline; there are bus routes on Fisher as well. In the meantime, build proper transit amenities into this project. The space can be repurposed later.

We are terrible at providing the most basic amenities to bus passengers. We need to up that game massively and soon. We need to start putting our designs where our mouth is when it comes to transit. Is it a priority? Is it to be prioritized over other motorized methods of transportation? Then let's start acting like it.
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New documents up on dev apps the heights have been brought up to 32 and 28

https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D02-02-22-0049/details



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I'm all for height but this is such a random spot. Squeezed in between a farm and SFH neighbourhood, no retail or employment nearby and only some buses running on Baseline (if only Baseline BRT was a thing by now).

Will be interesting if this goes through but council is pushing back on height in other areas.
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I'm all for height but this is such a random spot. Squeezed in between a farm and SFH neighbourhood, no retail or employment nearby and only some buses running on Baseline (if only Baseline BRT was a thing by now).

Will be interesting if this goes through but council is pushing back on height in other areas.
I agree, it's a bit of a strange spot. No buffer with the sfh area, best they can hope for in terms of transit is the Baseline BRT, if it's ever built. Mid-rises would probably be more appropriate here.

Design has also taken a hit. I know the first one was probably more of a massing model, but don't start with a nice massing model and move to a bland design afterwards.
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The Baseline BRT is a long ways away, and it is only on Baseline; there are bus routes on Fisher as well. In the meantime, build proper transit amenities into this project. The space can be repurposed later.

We are terrible at providing the most basic amenities to bus passengers. We need to up that game massively and soon. We need to start putting our designs where our mouth is when it comes to transit. Is it a priority? Is it to be prioritized over other motorized methods of transportation? Then let's start acting like it.
What sort of basic amenities are you thinking of? Bus shelters of course, but what else?
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What sort of basic amenities are you thinking of? Bus shelters of course, but what else?
Shelter - from wind, precipitation, and sun. Transit users need to be and feel protected from the elements in all seasons. (The "in all seasons" part continues to elude OC Transpo and the city.)

Formal seating (benches or chairs). Many transit users need to sit.

Informal seating and useful structure (ledge, planters, etc.). Many transit users need a place to plunk their cargo down, fish for something out of a bag, plop down the toddler to de-snot their nose.

Transit information. Transit users need maps, timetables, even "real time" screens despite the increasingly fictional nature of that data these days now that OC Transpo has given up caring. It's actually kind of shocking to see how many full-on OC Transpo "stations" don't even have a system map.

These are the sorts of things that should be incorporated into any major transit stops, and as many minor ones that have the space. It should be a reflexive design decision, but it always has to be fought for, and even then it often fails.

Also, they need to be AT the stop. Like, where the bus stops. Not in the general vicinity. Not to the side. AT. The word AT is very important.
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Isn't the shoppers drug mart and LCBO going in the podium?

How is this different than 500m away (north) on Fisher, where there are multiple towers sandwiched between the farm and SFH neighbourhoods?
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I think this proposal is great and don't mind the scale given that it's on the corner of a major intersection, and eliminating a low-rise strip mall. However, I'm not getting my hopes up -- I wouldn't be surprised if the NIMBYs dropped this down to 12x2 and 16 or something like that...
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I think this proposal is great and don't mind the scale given that it's on the corner of a major intersection, and eliminating a low-rise strip mall. However, I'm not getting my hopes up -- I wouldn't be surprised if the NIMBYs dropped this down to 12x2 and 16 or something like that...
Meeting was just posted, and Local Horizon Ottawa Candidate looks to be trying his best to do exactly that, either reduce, obstruct or stop this development in his ward....what a surprise another progressive hypocrite.

https://twitter.com/DevineSean/status/1614600298781200384?s=20&t=KwgxFTcIyIsbYm9BtGoLug
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Bodes well for Devine seeing him host these meetings and posting them on YouTube. Taking a page from Leiper and Gower.

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Updated proposal (June 2023)

Theberge Homes is proposing a 24-storey mixed-use high-rise development as Phase 1 of a multi-phase buildout with a total of three proposed high-rise towers. The related Zoning By-law Amendment application for the full buildout is still under review and needs to be approved before Phase 1 of the Site Plan application may progress. Additional Site Plan applications will also be required for each following phase of development.

Phase 1 will consist of Building A on the existing surface parking lot along Fisher Ave, and retention of the existing commercial mall. Building A is proposed at 24-storeys, sited along Fisher Ave, and will have 320 residential units with about 480 sq.m. of ground floor commercial space. The rear of the lot with frontage to Hilliard Ave will be 4- storeys in height with a townhouse form.

Since the last proposal posted here, the footprints have been reconfigured, and the two 28 floor towers have been dropped to 24 floors. The 32 floor tower remains the same height. They've also purchase 2 more properties to the south for use as a park.


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Ottawa builder proposes residential highrises at site of original Lone Star Texas Grill

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August 29, 2023 4:26 PM ET


An Ottawa developer wants to build three highrises with nearly 1,100 residential units on what is now the site of a strip mall that contains the original Lone Star Texas Grill.

Joey Theberge, the owner of Theberge Homes, has filed a proposal with the city that would see a pair of 24-storey highrises and a 32-storey tower constructed at 780 Baseline Rd. on the corner of Fisher Avenue, just south of the Central Experimental Farm.

The property is currently occupied by Fisher Heights Plaza, a strip mall best-known for being home to the iconic Ottawa-based Lone Star chain’s first Tex-Mex restaurant. Theberge bought the 36,000-square-foot retail complex, whose other tenants include Gabriel Pizza, National Bank of Canada and Subway, two years ago for $16.5 million.

The L-shaped lot, which covers nearly four acres, also contains a pair of single-detached homes. Theberge said the property has room for significant mixed-use development and would have a direct connection to a new station on a proposed bus rapid transit line along Baseline Road.

“That plaza has been a pinnacle in Ottawa for as long as I can remember,” said Theberge, noting that his first job was working for a tenant in the mall. “I had a passion for that plaza … and I just think it’s a good (location) for intensification in that area.”

The latest proposal is a revised version of an application Theberge filed more than a year ago. The developer’s original plan called for the smaller towers to be slightly taller at 25 storeys, while the third tower had a proposed height of 29 storeys.

Current zoning bylaws limit buildings at the property to 18 metres, or about six storeys.

Theberge said after initial consultations with city staff and the public last year, the design was altered to limit the shadows that would be cast on Experimental Farm property and address nearby residents’ concerns about the scope of the project.

“We’re just working with the residents, trying to make sure we’re hitting some of the guidelines the city likes to see,” he said. “It’s just a better, more functional site right now.”

The developer said he’s confident the revised proposal will win council’s approval.

“We’re working on city support to get the extra height, because it is a transit-oriented site.”

Theberge said the project is expected to be completed in three phases. A 24-storey tower containing 320 rental units is the first structure slated to be built on what is now a surface parking lot south of the existing mall.

Most of the units in the first highrise would be split between one- and two-bedroom suites, with a total of about two dozen studio and three-bedroom apartments rounding out the development. A proposed underground garage would contain 370 parking spaces to complement the plaza’s 138 existing spots.
Dedicated parkland

The building would also feature nearly 6,000 square feet of outdoor amenity space, along with indoor communal space as well as a rooftop terrace and amenity space. A small park totalling about a third of an acre is also expected to be part of the project’s initial phase.

Theberge said he hopes to start construction on the first tower next summer pending the required zoning approvals.

He estimated it will take about two years to complete the first phase. Theberge said construction on the second highrise would likely start soon afterward, with the strip mall being demolished to make way for the new development.

The third building would follow a few years later.

“The game plan would be three years after the first one starts, you start the next tower,” he said.

While the first tower will be dedicated to rental apartments, Theberge said market demand will determine whether the next phases will be rentals or condos.

“If they were being built today, then they would be rentals,” he said. “We’ll see in three, four years, when the next tower comes up, if there’s a condo market. But as of right now, we’re just sticking with rentals. In that area in particular, there is a need for some new … rentals.”

The buildings are likely to include amenities such as gyms, theatres and work stations, and all the highrises will also feature commercial space on the ground floor, Theberge added.

“A lot of retailers that we have in (the strip mall) currently have expressed interest in staying in the buildings,” he said.

It’s one more project on what’s already a jam-packed docket for Theberge. The list of rental developments already in his company’s pipeline includes a 280-unit project farther west at 2140 Baseline Rd., a 304-suite building in Kanata and a five-tower proposal in Orléans.

But he’s particularly bullish on redeveloping Fisher Heights Plaza, arguing the project could be just the impetus the city requires to push ahead with the proposed Baseline bus rapid transit corridor.

“We think the BRT is something that’s needed,” Theberge said. “But in order to get the BRT funded, you have to have a reason for it. If you build it, they will come. It’s an old saying, but you need to build something in order for (transit) to be funded.

“I don’t think we’re going to see it in our lifetime, but we’re trying to move to a carless society. In order to do that, you need to have stuff near the (transit) stations.”

https://obj.ca/builder-proposes-highrises-on-site-of-lone-star-texas-grill/
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Would be an awesome spot to live. I would be nervous about the shadow study on baseline depending on what happens with Taggart's Carling project. They don't mess around when it comes to the experimental farm.
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