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Such a stupid comment to put in the article. It's all about the population in the metro area so why would Gatineau not count?
Agreed, this statement is flawed and David Reevly would know that we are pushing 1.5M in NCR based on latest numbers and 950k+ in Ottawa.
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I appreciate Watson being realistic about our chances. He knows that we should by all means put in a strong bid because you'll never know, but its an uphill battle.
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Geekwire ran some numbers according to Amazon's criteria to rank the 59 cities bidding on the new headquarters. They have them in order of which would be the best fit. They have Toronto at #1 and Ottawa at #2.

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon...t-data-decide/

Can we make the Amazon headquarters into its own thread?

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Ottawa's bid for Amazon HQ2

New thread for all the Amazon-related discussions. Perhaps the mods could move the content from the other thread over here?
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Amazon to Build Second HQ in North America (HQ2)

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Amazon's HQ2 opens bidding war among cities

By Irina Ivanova, MoneyWatch
September 20, 2017, 6:19 AM | Last Updated Sep 20, 2017 11:02 AM EDT


Cities and states across the country leaped to their feet when e-commerce giant Amazon (AMZN) announced it was looking for a second location.

The online retailer wasn't shy in describing exactly what it wanted. And what that is, in case anyone was wondering, is incentives. "[T]his is a competitive project," the company said in its formal request for proposals, and "Amazon welcomes the opportunity to engage with you in the creation of an incentive package, real estate opportunities, and cost structure to encourage the company's location of the project in your state/province."

For many cities, that means an all-out hustle to get noticed by Oct. 19, the deadline for making a proposal. Efforts have included editorials, ads in The New York Times, promises from politicians and the gift of a giant saguaro cactus. Even Seattle, the site of Amazon's current headquarters, isn't sitting out the process of pitching for the company's second headquarters.

"There's a lot of money put into things like specialized infrastructure for a company," said Michael Mazerov, a fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "If they were to locate in a suburban location, it's not unheard of for states to build a major interchange. There are targeted training programs for employees. There are all kind of different incentives provided -- infrastructure, extensions of sewer lines."

But the most common incentives by far, Mazerov said, are tax cuts. "Unfortunately, they're perceived as costless," he said. "There's this attitude that 'if they hadn't come, we wouldn't have gotten any tax revenue to being with.'" However, localities often overestimate the value a project will add relative to the costs of infrastructure, transit and other services needed to support the company.

"The additional economic activity from incentivizing a particular business never generates enough additional revenue to pay for the cost of the subsidy," said Mazerov, who eventually changed his assessment from "never" to "rarely."

Some 50 cities in North America have said they plan to bid for Amazon's second HQ, according to Business Insider. That includes plenty that don't meet Amazon's criteria. CBS MoneyWatch calculated that 26 metro areas meet the requirements of having a highly educated population.
Cities contending for Amazon's second headquarters

And while subsidies won't make up for any business fundamentals a particular location may lack, analysts believe even fundamentally attractive cities will have to use those incentives to clinch the deal.

"Nobody's going to get this deal without an act of the legislature and that state also granting some incentives," said Bruce Maus, principal at Auxilium Solutions, a logistics firm. "That means the governor of the state is probably going to respond personally before the deadline and promise that he or she can deliver."

"They're going into this with a lot of swagger," John Boyd Jr., a relocation consultant and founder of Boyd Co., said of Amazon. "They have the ability and the wherewithal and the resources to have this swagger."

The ultimate size of the incentive package is hard to predict, analysts say, in part because of the headquarters' size. "Think of all the success Boston has had over the past decade -- this would dwarf that," said Boyd.

Indeed, the frenzied response from cities and states to Amazon's invitation to bid mirrors the reaction to similar, though smaller, projects, such as Wisconsin's Foxconn facility, Tesla's (TSLA) Gigafactory in Reno, Nevada, and GE's (GE) corporate relocation from Fairfield, Connecticut, to Boston.

The subsidies for those deals hint at the figure Amazon likely hopes for. Foxconn garnered an unprecedented $3 billion in subsidies from Wisconsin for a promised 3,000 to 13,000 jobs. That investment works out to at least $230,000 per job, a cost that it would take the state, by its own calculation, 25 years to recover.

Tax breaks for Tesla's 6,500-job factory come to $200,000 a job. And the $145 million subsidy GE received to move its headquarters to Boston works out to $181,000 per job.

At those rates, Amazon's promised 50,000 jobs could translate into a subsidy between $9 billion and $11 billion -- one-quarter of the value Amazon says its activity added to Seattle's economy over six years.

The particular value of incentives differs dramatically from state to state and location to location, according to research from Tim Bartik, a senior economist at the Upjohn Institute for Employment Research. They can be as little as one-thousandth of the value a project adds, in Washington, or as much as 4.23 percent, in New Mexico.

Of course, figuring out exactly how much value a project adds is no easy thing. Calculating subsidies, too, is challenging because local governments tend to hide their full extent. But according to Good Jobs First, a nonprofit that opposes corporate subsidies, Amazon has benefited from $1 billion in state and local tax breaks over its lifetime. Nearly a quarter of that amount was awarded over just two years, 2015 and 2016.

"At the end of the day, you and I can't know why Amazon made a decision," said Greg LeRoy, the group's executive director. "Taxpayers should watch their wallets."

But subsidies aside, cities could take other measures to attract Amazon, such as speeding up infrastructure projects or other public improvements, said Boyd.

"This is a call to arms, if you will, for not just politicians but also developers to fast-track development activity in the works," he said. That type of investment actually has the potential to benefit many industries in a more equitable way than would tax breaks for a single large employer. And when the bidding city loses to another (as 49 cities are bound to do), its improved infrastructure will put it in a better position to attract a future big business, not to mention workers.

So far, just one city has declined to jump on the subsidy bandwagon: Toronto. In putting together the city's bid, Toronto Global, the business organization representing the region, touted Toronto's strong tech economy and the wealth of publicly supported infrastructure, including free public education and universal health care.

"Tax breaks won't create talent," the group's chair, Mark Cohan, told the CBC.

He told CBS MoneyWatch the group was "internally exploring" the possibility, but he emphasized what he called Toronto's already favorable business tax environment.

"We're going to be thoughtful about that, but it goes back to the main premise, which is talent," Cohan said. "We are the third-largest tech ecosystem in North America. Last year we added more jobs than New York and San Francisco combined."

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Want Amazon? Build a more liveable city, says Ottawa’s chief planner

By: David Sali, OBJ
Published: Sep 20, 2017 12:11pm EDT


With a task force working on a bid to bring Amazon’s second headquarters to the capital, Ottawa’s top planning guru said Tuesday it’s time for the city to step up its game when it comes to going after new business opportunities.

"I think we have to be a bit more ambitious,” Steve Willis said after a panel discussion on the future of urban planning in the National Capital Region. “We have to believe we can actually do this.”

Mr. Willis, who took over as the city’s manager of planning, infrastructure and economic development earlier this year, told the audience that Ottawa is competing against cities from all over the world in the race for talent and can’t afford to get left behind.

“We have to not take for granted that we’ll retain the people we’re educating at our universities,” he told the crowd of businesspeople gathered at law firm Borden Ladner Gervais for the event, which was sponsored by the Toronto chapter of the Urban Land Institute.

“I’m thinking as a dad, will my kids stay here or will they go? We have to stay very focused on that basic goal of giving people a reason to stay and giving them all of the benefits of staying.”

Fellow panelist John Manconi said his son, a millennial who lives in Toronto, told him recently he didn’t want to come back to his hometown because it doesn’t offer the opportunities and lifestyle many young people want.

“It’s about how liveable our downtown core is for someone at his age,” said Mr. Manconi, who heads OC Transpo. “Can we become that? One day.”

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson is slated to tour Amazon headquarters in Seattle on Thursday as part of the city’s fact-finding efforts for its HQ2 bid. Amazon has said it plans to spend $5 billion US to develop the new site, which will eventually house up to 50,000 workers.

Mr. Willis said he believes the city checks off almost all the boxes the tech giant is looking for, including a well-educated workforce and world-class research facilities.

“I think it’s fair to say if Amazon (comes to Canada) … we’ve got a hell of a good chance of it coming to Ottawa,” he said. “We think our main competition is Toronto and, with all due respect to ... those who live in Toronto, we actually think we’ve got a much better infrastructure here already. I think we have a lot going for us here.

Mr. Willis said even if Ottawa fails to land Amazon’s HQ2, the city will have gained valuable experience for the next time a similar opportunity comes around.

“One of the things that we need to keep in mind is Ottawa does bids like this all the time,” Mr. Willis said. “For us, there’s nothing to be lost bidding because we already know how to do it. If we don’t get the main (headquarters), there’s certainly other things Amazon’s doing that we’re very interested in getting, too. Learning to bid (on projects) like this is terribly important for us. I think it’s absolutely worthwhile to go for this, and I think we’ve got a really great offer.”

Still, Mr. Manconi said the city needs to find ways to revitalize underused assets such as Sparks Street in an effort to put the region on the map with the Amazons of the world and the people who work for them.

He said Ottawa is still often perceived as a second-tier city, describing a dinner he had in the ByWard Market on Monday night with guests from Germany and Toronto.

“Their line was, ‘It’s pretty good – for Ottawa,’” he said to laughter.

Mr. Willis, who oversaw the bidding competition to redevelop LeBreton Flats in his previous job at the NCC, said he’s working on cutting red tape at City Hall to make it easier for developers and other entrepreneurs to pursue the kind of projects that fuel economic growth and add new vitality to areas such as the ByWard Market.

“‘Just get it done’ is a good mantra. We have to be creative in our strategies, we have to be responsive to feedback.”

In an interview with OBJ after the discussion, Mr. Willis said builders and private citizens alike have told him there are too many layers of bureaucracy involved in approving development applications and other planning decisions at City Hall.

“We need to just review our own processes and make sure that files aren’t getting handed off to too many different people along the way. This is not sexy, but it is hard work that we need to do in order to make the process more effective.”

Mr. Willis told the audience Tuesday he thinks city planners were caught off-guard by the influx of tech firms such as Shopify that have chosen to set up shop in the downtown core, and the city’s infrastructure has yet to catch up.

He said the Confederation light-rail line will help spur new housing and economic development near transit hubs downtown and in places such as Bayview Station, where Trinity Development Group is spearheading a massive project to build three mixed-use highrises of at least 50 stories.

But Mr. Willis added his department can’t ignore the need for more economic diversity in suburban neighbourhoods such as Orleans and Barrhaven.

“The challenge for us is … helping some of those areas that don’t have this advantage” of being near LRT stations, he told the crowd. “We would like to get jobs located in outlying areas.”

That will require sitting down with the private sector to figure out exactly what services employers need to make those parts of town more attractive to business, he explained after the presentation.

“They want to find the type of office space that meets their needs, they want to have the amenities that their employees are going to need,” he said. “It’s about finding that marriage of all those different elements to make it actually work.

http://www.obj.ca/article/want-amazo...-chief-planner
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Ottawa has a LONG way to go to become a world-class city. Sure, we have a lot of great things to offer -- oodles of green space, national institutions, the seat of federal government, high tech, etc. -- but we lack in so many other areas.

- Aside from our national institutions, the architecture in this city is atrocious.
- We have very few international organizations headquartered in Ottawa.
- We are completely disconnected from our waterways. They are ALL greenspace; no urban waterfront, no program animation, nothing.
- Our LRT is a step in the right direction, but YEARS behind other cities of similar size. And, it will only serve from Bayview to Blair to South Keys for now...
- Sprawl is rampant and getting worse. The automobile reigns supreme.
- We are leaders in virtually nothing: not urban planning, not green tech, not future technologies, nor the arts or culture or.........

So, a LONG way to go before we are a world-class city, a city where the Amazons of the world would consider HQ'ing.
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Ottawa has a LONG way to go to become a world-class city. Sure, we have a lot of great things to offer -- oodles of green space, national institutions, the seat of federal government, high tech, etc. -- but we lack in so many other areas.

- Aside from our national institutions, the architecture in this city is atrocious.
- We have very few international organizations headquartered in Ottawa.
- We are completely disconnected from our waterways. They are ALL greenspace; no urban waterfront, no program animation, nothing.
- Our LRT is a step in the right direction, but YEARS behind other cities of similar size. And, it will only serve from Bayview to Blair to South Keys for now...
- Sprawl is rampant and getting worse. The automobile reigns supreme.
- We are leaders in virtually nothing: not urban planning, not green tech, not future technologies, nor the arts or culture or.........

So, a LONG way to go before we are a world-class city, a city where the Amazons of the world would consider HQ'ing.
The waterways one is interesting. I've only lived in Ottawa for a few years and always wondered why there isn't more things near the canal/rivers in the city.

Has there ever been any big (or small) proposals to add "stuff" near our waterways? I've certainly never seen any
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I don't disagree with some of the comments, but I have seen no indication Amazon is looking for a "world class city." They set the bar relatively low in terms of city size, their space requirements preclude most large cities and they appear to be looking for the biggest government handout.

Certainly some low hanging fruit for the city would be to get the Lebreton deal done.
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I don't disagree with some of the comments, but I have seen no indication Amazon is looking for a "world class city." They set the bar relatively low in terms of city size, their space requirements preclude most large cities and they appear to be looking for the biggest government handout.

Certainly some low hanging fruit for the city would be to get the Lebreton deal done.
I try and ignore the phrase "World Class City." It tends to only be used in a BS marketing sense, and has no real meaning or definition.
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I have to agree with the piece of getting young people interested in Ottawa and interested in staying (or coming back here) after University. We have a lot of university students in all of ours universities and colleges but way too many of them end up leaving the minute they graduate because they want something more lively/fun/vibrant like Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver.

This is a challenge the city should try to address (kind of like the city the fun forgot). Everybody knows Ottawa as a "safe, clean, liveable city".. A great one to "raise a family" but what about everyone else?

Time to start making changes to improve (or broaden) that reputation. We need to be known for more than just greenspaces and the Parliament.
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The waterways one is interesting. I've only lived in Ottawa for a few years and always wondered why there isn't more things near the canal/rivers in the city.
Because of a deeply-engrained 1930s Radiant Garden City Beautiful political culture of green-space fetishism.

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I try and ignore the phrase "World Class City." It tends to only be used in a BS marketing sense, and has no real meaning or definition.
Pro tip: Anything that consciously and explicitly calls itself "world class" isn't.
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Pro tip: Anything that consciously and explicitly calls itself "world class" isn't.
When I read it I mentally replace it with Global City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city
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The waterways one is interesting. I've only lived in Ottawa for a few years and always wondered why there isn't more things near the canal/rivers in the city.

Has there ever been any big (or small) proposals to add "stuff" near our waterways? I've certainly never seen any
The NCC is planning to build a linear park along the Ottawa River and animate it.

http://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/our-projects/si...iverfront-park
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Time to start making changes to improve (or broaden) that reputation. We need to be known for more than just greenspaces and the Parliament.
The Ottawa 2017 events are doing that. Granted students weren't in Ottawa during the summer. But maybe students were live in Ottawa or stayed during the summer will spread the word when people say nothing ever happens in Ottawa.
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Ottawa has a LONG way to go to become a world-class city. Sure, we have a lot of great things to offer -- oodles of green space, national institutions, the seat of federal government, high tech, etc. -- but we lack in so many other areas.

- Aside from our national institutions, the architecture in this city is atrocious.
- We have very few international organizations headquartered in Ottawa.
- We are completely disconnected from our waterways. They are ALL greenspace; no urban waterfront, no program animation, nothing.
- Our LRT is a step in the right direction, but YEARS behind other cities of similar size. And, it will only serve from Bayview to Blair to South Keys for now...
- Sprawl is rampant and getting worse. The automobile reigns supreme.
- We are leaders in virtually nothing: not urban planning, not green tech, not future technologies, nor the arts or culture or.........

So, a LONG way to go before we are a world-class city, a city where the Amazons of the world would consider HQ'ing.
The front runners being mentioned right now are second tier (maybe even third tier) cities like Austin and Pittsburgh so I think a city like Ottawa is what they're looking for.

And Geekwire ranked Toronto and Ottawa at #1 and #2 for the best fit for the new HQ based on Amazon's criteria.

https://www.geekwire.com/2017/amazon...t-data-decide/
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I have to agree with the piece of getting young people interested in Ottawa and interested in staying (or coming back here) after University. We have a lot of university students in all of ours universities and colleges but way too many of them end up leaving the minute they graduate because they want something more lively/fun/vibrant like Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver.

This is a challenge the city should try to address (kind of like the city the fun forgot). Everybody knows Ottawa as a "safe, clean, liveable city".. A great one to "raise a family" but what about everyone else?

Time to start making changes to improve (or broaden) that reputation. We need to be known for more than just greenspaces and the Parliament.
I agree, however I think the city is doing a better job of retaining students after graduation.

I think there's a major disparity between those from Ottawa and those from out of town. For those from Ottawa, anecdotally the majority of my close friends have or plan on staying after school (that includes friends who have left for school but are intent on returning). Whereas those from elsewhere are much more likely, at least from me talking to people, to go home or head to places like Toronto and Vancouver, although I was surprised to find more then a few of them at least seriously considering staying here.
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