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SteelTown · #41 Posted **Nov 8, 2007, 10:15 PM**

But noticed in the question it said Stelco and Dofasco will be gone. Think they'll be gone within 20 years?

matt602 · #42 Posted **Nov 8, 2007, 10:35 PM**

I'd bet Stelco... oh sorry, my bad: US Steel Canada will be gone in 10 years. Dofasco will take longer to die, but it will go too.

the dude · #43 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 1:34 AM**

gold...that's the funniest ever! a monkey hitting keys at random could produce a better newspaper than we have.

DC83 · #44 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 12:13 PM**

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Next weeks predicted question: Aliens have crash landed in Dundas. Do we help them fix their space ship and pretend they were never here? Or do we capture them and steal their technology and place them in cages to collect revenue as having the worlds only alien zoo?

Yes, that's a very good question!
I say keep them, train them! We're going to need them once the Zombies take over in Question/Week 5!

Aliens vs Zombies... do I hear anyother movie in the making!? Battleground: The Hammer!

flar · #45 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 1:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by matt602

I'd bet Stelco... oh sorry, my bad: US Steel Canada will be gone in 10 years. Dofasco will take longer to die, but it will go too.

I'm not so sure. I thought Stelco was a goner before US Steel bought it, but they intend to make some upgrades so they must plan to keep it open. They'll never be the big employers they were though.

DC83 · #46 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 4:28 PM**

Did anyone notice that there are a lot more highrises (and that density has risen) since last week's vote?

block43 · #47 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 4:46 PM**

This game doesn't make any sense to me. I think they are just changing demographics arbitrarily.

matt602 · #48 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by flar

I'm not so sure. I thought Stelco was a goner before US Steel bought it, but they intend to make some upgrades so they must plan to keep it open. They'll never be the big employers they were though.

I'm keeping the "I'll believe when I see it" approach on that one. After Stelco emerged from bankruptcy protection, they had similar plans of re-structuring and re-building which of course never came to fruition. I don't think theres room for two steel companies in Hamilton anymore.

coalminecanary · #49 Posted **Nov 9, 2007, 7:38 PM**

block43 you are killing me... hilarious

This game is ridiculous. Honestly. You can't just move the Welland canal. The Welland canal is there because the Niagara river is there. A tunnel to Toronto? A gold smelting plant? This whole stupid game is full of made up, impossible scenarios. Here's why: it's nothing more than a grab at online advertising revenue. Think it's a coincidence that most of the clickable parts of the map lead directly to sponsors' websites? What a crock.

SteelTown · #50 Posted **Nov 10, 2007, 7:37 PM**

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And now 2029 I believe

Notice all the the new skyscapers East of Centre Mall? I would have figured new skyscrapers would be West of Hamilton near the GO station.

raisethehammer · #51 Posted **Nov 10, 2007, 8:13 PM**

this is stupid.
dumb Spec. they can never do anything constructive.

fastcarsfreedom · #52 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 2:52 AM**

Why all the Spectator-bashing? It's a sport here equal to CHCH-bashing. Don't like the Spec? Don't buy the Spec...simple as that. It's not like daily newspapers are important to a city's autonomy or economic health anyway. The irony here is that if there were no paper, everyone on this Forum would be begging for one like they're begging for CBC Radio and it's taxpayer supported political agenda. I wonder what the consensus is in Oshawa--where the daily was lost years ago--think folks are happy being stuck with The Star and The Sun? How much do those papers dedicate to issues of "local" concern in Oshawa? How much would they dedicate to Hamilton?

I'm all for discourse and I think web-based outlets like this are great--but why the obsession with bashing mainstream media--you do your thing really well...let them do theirs...and if you don't like, DON'T BUY IT.

beanmedic · #53 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 6:51 AM**

re: don't like it, don't buy it

That's not the problem. We all know it is bad journalism. The problem is that this nonsense influences the public opinion and that's why we all hate it.

raisethehammer · #54 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 12:51 PM**

fastcars...there's too much in that last post I'd like to comment on...I'll try to get some time later. The first point is this:
yes - papers do contribute (or in Hamilton's case, take away) to autonomy and economy.

BCTed · #55 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 9:18 PM**

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so Harry Stinson's 6 hour walk pretty much nails it.
The idiots running this city can't figure it out and they live here 24-7.
Fire them all and hire Harry to run the show!

raisethehammer, this may be something that you have been hoping to hear: I am about to give up on you.

Harry Stinson cannot even run his own show. He made a complete mess out of 1 King West/the Dominion Club with the whole property tax loophole-gone-bad/bankruptcy protection thing and his Sapphire Tower project never got off the ground. The guy is a walking disaster. What in the world makes you think that he could run a city??

BCTed · #56 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 9:28 PM**

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Why all the Spectator-bashing? It's a sport here equal to CHCH-bashing. Don't like the Spec? Don't buy the Spec...simple as that. It's not like daily newspapers are important to a city's autonomy or economic health anyway. The irony here is that if there were no paper, everyone on this Forum would be begging for one like they're begging for CBC Radio and it's taxpayer supported political agenda. I wonder what the consensus is in Oshawa--where the daily was lost years ago--think folks are happy being stuck with The Star and The Sun? How much do those papers dedicate to issues of "local" concern in Oshawa? How much would they dedicate to Hamilton?

I'm all for discourse and I think web-based outlets like this are great--but why the obsession with bashing mainstream media--you do your thing really well...let them do theirs...and if you don't like, DON'T BUY IT.

I don't get the whole Spectator-bashing and CHCH-bashing either, as it does get annoying to read it on a near-daily basis (although I must concede that some of the CHCH on-air talent does make me cringe --- Lisa Hepfner comes to mind).

That said, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and there is a problem with the "if you don't like it, don't buy it" argument --- namely, that there is no alternative to fall back on. If you want local news, then these are really the only sources in terms of newspaper and television station. If you don't like them and truly feel they are way sub-par, there is nowhere else to go, so all you can do is gripe about what you do have.

raisethehammer · #57 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 10:03 PM**

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I don't get the whole Spectator-bashing and CHCH-bashing either, as it does get annoying to read it on a near-daily basis (although I must concede that some of the CHCH on-air talent does make me cringe --- Lisa Hepfner comes to mind).

That said, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and there is a problem with the "if you don't like it, don't buy it" argument --- namely, that there is no alternative to fall back on. If you want local news, then these are really the only sources in terms of newspaper and television station. If you don't like them and truly feel they are way sub-par, there is nowhere else to go, so all you can do is gripe about what you do have.

for once, you're exactly right!
I would end my Spec subscription tomorrow if any half-baked attempt at starting a second daily were to be unveiled in Hamilton.
As for fastcars comments, check out the Toronto Star for one month and then tell me if a daily paper can't play an incredible role in the development of a city - it's identity, economy, future, neighbourhoods etc.... reading the Star on a daily basis along with Spec has really highlighted to me how inept the Spec CHOOSES to be.
As for Oshawa comparisons, I don't get it. I have a hard time comparing anything about Hamilton to Oshawa.
Re: CBC. Give me a taxpayer (ie - citizen) 'political point of view' anyday of the week over a corporate point of view (ie - money, money, money).
Web outlets are great, especially with how many have begun in Hamilton recently, but none of them can replace the Spec.
The Spec needs to have it's readers hold their feet to the fire. Readers like you only encourage their mediocrity and give them no incentive to pull their heads out of their backsides.
I pay for their product 6 days a week so I'll make it known what I think of it.
I thought future city was about the future of Hamilton. Not discovering gold out in the suburbs.

Berklon · #58 Posted **Nov 11, 2007, 10:40 PM**

Wouldn't subscribing to The Spec only encourage their mediocrity? Afterall, they assume people like the paper as it is since they continue to purchase it.

Personally I stopped reading The Spec many many years ago (20 maybe?) simply because I find the articles feel like they were written by highschool kids. Mind you, I usually go to the net to read the news now anyways. I occasionally read left-over papers on the train though... usually the Toronto Star or Globe and Mail.

raisethehammer · #59 Posted **Nov 12, 2007, 3:41 AM**

you're probably right Berklon. Being a privately owned company they only have one mandate - make money.
ending subscriptions would make sense.
I think I might do that.
the odd time where there is a decent story I easily see it in cafes around town or online anyhow.

BCTed · #60 Posted **Nov 12, 2007, 4:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by raisethehammer

you're probably right Berklon. Being a privately owned company they only have one mandate - make money.
ending subscriptions would make sense.
I think I might do that.
the odd time where there is a decent story I easily see it in cafes around town or online anyhow.

Great... absolutely everyone is in agreement, at least on the topic of you no longer buying the paper.

Of course, you are wrong about the "privately owned company" bit... Torstar trades on the TSX.