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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 5:46 PM
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I agree with Nunziata. We should really be building an Eglinton subway instead. The spadina extension is Miller's STUPID idea. Once again Millers gotten his way and we're going to waste millions more as we did on the stupid museum station renovation.
I hope the Vaughan extension station dies. Who would move to Vaughan to live in condos and take transit anyways?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 5:47 PM
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Will there be some point when Toronto and Montreal don't buy equipment from Bombardier? Or does that company basically have a monopoly in the east of Canada?

Edit: There are recent exceptions (i.e., Alstom and Nippon-Sharyo/Sumitomo). But other than that, Bombardier has been the producer for both cities.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 5:53 PM
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I agree with Nunziata. We should really be building an Eglinton subway instead. The spadina extension is Miller's STUPID idea. Once again Millers gotten his way and we're going to waste millions more as we did on the stupid museum station renovation.
I hope the Vaughan extension station dies. Who would move to Vaughan to live in condos and take transit anyways?
I think the Vaughan subway was an easier sell, because compared to Eglinton it was low cost, and the city knew that Eglinton was going to be built regardless.

But yes, this line will be relatively easy to build.
     
     
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I agree with Nunziata. We should really be building an Eglinton subway instead. The spadina extension is Miller's STUPID idea. Once again Millers gotten his way and we're going to waste millions more as we did on the stupid museum station renovation.
I hope the Vaughan extension station dies. Who would move to Vaughan to live in condos and take transit anyways?
Eglinton doesn't need a subway.

Spadina extension is needed (York should have been served long before now), Vaughn has a lot of commuters into Toronto that clog up the 400 and 401, so that extension also makes sense.

And that is all I have to say about that.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 6:00 PM
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Interesting, actually. I always thought the conventional opinion was that a subway extention into the suburbs would not bring the benefits that offset the cost.

I guess I couldn't have been more incorrect in believing that.

(I'm not being sarcastic, either).

I've also been noticing that Toronto's subway is built in a way similar to that of Beijing's network. That is, it's more RER-esque.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 6:08 PM
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I agree with Nunziata. We should really be building an Eglinton subway instead. The spadina extension is Miller's STUPID idea. Once again Millers gotten his way and we're going to waste millions more as we did on the stupid museum station renovation.
I hope the Vaughan extension station dies. Who would move to Vaughan to live in condos and take transit anyways?
Miller's idea? Really? Planning for the extension predates Miller by a considerable margin. At best he had lukewarm support for the project, and only because Toronto is on the hook for less than 1/3rd of the total cost. FWIW was the Province that decided it would go past Steeles, and their funding was contingent on that aspect.

Info: http://transit.toronto.on.ca/subway/5114.shtml


The museum station reno cost $5 million, of which the TTC had to foot approximately $1 million. I think that's a pretty fair price to pay for something that is actually fitting for one of the city's major tourist destinatins.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 6:12 PM
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Bombardier+build+railcars+Transit/4436216/story.html

MONTREAL - Bombardier Inc. said Monday its rail equipment unit will build 50 more double-decker commuter railcars for Metrolinx's GO Transit system in Toronto...
A Win for Montreal?
How so?? The trains are manufactured in T Bay and the business unit is based in Berlin. While this does add to the overall bottom line, the impact from that goes more to the shareholders. I can't see anything in Montreal from this??
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2011, 6:34 PM
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Will there be some point when Toronto and Montreal don't buy equipment from Bombardier? Or does that company basically have a monopoly in the east of Canada?

Edit: There are recent exceptions (i.e., Alstom and Nippon-Sharyo/Sumitomo). But other than that, Bombardier has been the producer for both cities.
Bombardier is the Government of Ontario's "Welfare for Thunder Bay" programme. Without it, Liberals wouldn't get elected here and the mayor would have nothing to smile about.

In the case of GO Transit, all of the cars they use are from Bombardier's Thunder Bay plant, so it makes sense to keep buying them. They work well, they're relatively inexpensive, they're compatible with the existing fleet, mechanics are familiar with them, they're what passengers expect, parts are interchangeable to retired cars can be used to repair existing ones, and so on. My city buys all of its buses from the same company for pretty much the same reasons: It is easier to have a fleet of all the same vehicles than a fleet with many different kinds. With Bombardier, they know exactly what they're getting and what to expect, and how things work if something goes wrong. I don't know about GO Transit, but Thunder Bay's bus purchase contacts put a fair amount of weight on these issues.

If GO Transit was operating some new service with a new model of vehicle, then they might find another company provides a more suitable product, but for more of the same, there is little reason to not choose Bombardier.
     
     
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Work has begun on building an additional platform at Union Subway Station. This platform is needed as there is not enough room for all the people that use this subway station.







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Old Posted Mar 18, 2011, 5:32 AM
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CityNews has reported that the new subways for the TTC will start service in June.
     
     
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An update of Calgary's west LRT. The largest rapid transit project under construction in Canada right now (as far as I'm aware), it includes the city's first elevated, underground and trenched stations. The line will feature the greatest amount of grade separation in the system when complete.Thanks to frinkprof for lifting these pictures off of the West LRT website:

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Under the tents on the elevated guideway



Sunalta Station platform looking west



Launching truss approaching west end of the guideway



24th Street Pedestrian Bridge ready to be installed



Shaganappi Point Station looking east



LRT tunnel guideway construction east of 69th Street Station



Westbrook Station area looking south



Inside Westbrook station looking east



45th Street Station looking west. That crane moves along the tracks to get to where it needs to be on site.



Sirocco Station looking west



LRT tunnel guideway construction east of 33rd Street SW



Inside the 69th Street Station looking west



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Old Posted Mar 24, 2011, 9:58 PM
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An update of Calgary's west LRT. The largest rapid transit project under construction in Canada right now (as far as I'm aware), it includes the city's first elevated, underground and trenched stations. The line will feature the greatest amount of grade separation in the system when complete.Thanks to frinkprof for lifting these pictures off of the West LRT website:
I not sure but I'm pretty sure the Spadina extension under construction in Toronto is about $2.5 billion dollars. - Of course, I don't know what the cost of the project in Calgary is, and I'm not 100% certain on the cost of the Spadina line.


Still though, that Calgary project looks nice!
     
     
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If Spadina is U/C, it costs more than Calgary's West LRT.
     
     
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Fantastic WLRT update! It's really coming together and will be a great addition to Calgary's transit system. What is the daily ridership estimate for this new leg?
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I not sure but I'm pretty sure the Spadina extension under construction in Toronto is about $2.5 billion dollars. - Of course, I don't know what the cost of the project in Calgary is, and I'm not 100% certain on the cost of the Spadina line.
I wasn't aware of that project, but the WLRT is a only $700 million so Spadina is indeed larger.

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Fantastic WLRT update! It's really coming together and will be a great addition to Calgary's transit system. What is the daily ridership estimate for this new leg?
I believe it is projected at 37,000-44,000 to begin with.
     
     
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Great Calgary update, movin so fast
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2011, 1:34 PM
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New Vaughan City Centre Subway Station on the mentioned Spadina Line

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Can you tell me where in Toronto this TTC subway station is? No points for those who have been following along: this isn't in Toronto, this is how planners see the corner of Highway 7 and Millway Avenue in Vaughan sometime in the future, after the subway has come to town, and development has followed suit.


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Here's what the corner looks like now. That's a big box Future Shop and Home Outfitters. Behind it is a parking lot. Behind that are several parking lots, fronting Wal-Marts and multi-screen cinemas and fast food joints.


Google Streetview


And that's what the Spadina subway line is being extended to, for which many have called it the line to nowhere. (Here's an aerial imagining of how the spot will look upon the opening of the subway.)


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Vaughan does not want 'nowhere' to be the case however, so the City has embraced the provincial government's Places To Grow plan which encourages much more dense development in nodes throughout the GTA. To that end, the new terminus of the Spadina subway line will be in an area dubbed 'Vaughan Metropolitan Centre'. (Here's an aerial imaging of how the area around the station will develop in the not too distant future.)


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The City of Vaughan wants that name - Vaughan Metropolitan Centre - to be applied to the subway station too, and York Region Council agrees. The TTC has other ideas: it wants the much more sensible 'Vaughan Centre'. That name fits with North York Centre and Scarborough Centre stations, and it fits on maps too. (I can tell you from experience that mapmakers are not fans of run-on names for small points on a map.) What the shorter version doesn't fit with are the overly insecure Vaughan and York Region planners and politicians who think that we'll all sit up and take notice of Vaughan if they stick the word Metropolitan in there. What they will get for their insistence on pushing the pretentious moniker is a lot of eye-rolling. Let's hope that cooler heads prevail and that the shorter version survives when final decisions are made: Vaughan doesn't really need to be the object of any more derision than it already often is. (Remember their 'The City Above Toronto' line? This is more of that sloganeering, now becoming tacky and misguided.)

So, we've explored the context of the station, let's arrive down below on a train from the Big TO, and gradually return to the surface.


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There's not really a lot to see at platform level. The walls are treated concrete. Below, first, an earlier rendering; below that, more up-to-date with several changes to the signage. Lower still, the Designated Waiting Area near the middle of the platform.


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You'll see where we are in this section.


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Up one level, and we are at the Concourse. Fare collection will be done on this level, and the fare paid area here only extends to the relatively small orange section seen in the middle of the plan below. All connections to other transit here are York Region Transit or GO or long range Brampton buses, so the fare paid area does not need to extend further. Note the arrows lining the lengthy walkways above the station. These hallways will connect the station to future developments above. The larger, angled hall at the top left is where passengers will connect to and from the VIVA bus station on Highway 7.


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Above the fare booth and barriers, stairs, escalators, and an elevator will access the entrance pavilion above.


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A newer rendering shows updated signage.


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Cross sections give you the feel for the vertical layout of the station at two points in the pavilion area, at one end, and in the middle.


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The entrance pavilion is an oval dome, and is where Grimshaw Architect's design for the station starts to shine. The interior of the dome features artwork by Toronto's Paul Raff Studio.


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A newer rendering shows some difference in the artwork, which is mostly made up of mirrors. They aren't reflecting any change in those using the station in the two renderings, so it remains to be seen where the colours will come from!


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Here's a description of the artwork from Paul Raff Studio: This architecturally integrated artwork transforms the station’s dome into a sculpture of reflected light. It is composed of mirrors which create a dynamic three-dimensionally collaged view of life in the station, and skylights that are carefully aligned with solstice and equinox sun angles to accentuate the effects of sunlight through the deep spaces below.


Paul Raff Studio


Paul Raff Studio


Paul Raff Studio


This plan shows the entrance pavilion's position beside Millway Avenue within a landscaped plaza. Circulation in and out of the building comes at each "corner" of the oval.


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Grimshaw, the designer of York University station, (along with many rail stations and airports around the world amongst their accomplishments), has given the pavilion an optimistic and welcoming look, springing from the ground and sheltering under its zinc clad roof, while being open with inviting glazing at the sides.


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The landscaping will look great too, if they manage to pull something this lush off. Vaughan will want to make a statement here, that it has arrived along with the subway, so signs for a pleasant setting here are hopeful.


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A slightly different view, newer and closer, of the same spot.


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So, we'll take a quick look back at the grade level plans, at the time of opening first, and then in the future with substantial development around the station. Notice in both plans the location of the VIVA bus station in the middle of Highway 7 to the west of Millway Avenue. (North is at the right in the plans shown in this report.) The centre-of-the-road rapid busway and station will be in place by the time the station opens. Transferring passengers will access the subway via stairs leading underground at the east end of the bus station.

At Opening

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Future Build-out

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Here's the bus station in its planned future context,


Metrolinx


and to end off, here is the greater future context, a densely built up and urban Highway 7 that we sincerely hope will come to pass not too long from now.


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I believe it is projected at 37,000-44,000 to begin with.
That's a bit disappointing. That would certainly lag substantially behind the other three lines. I was hoping for more like 55,000 - 60,000. I suppose it is significantly shorter than the NW and S lines.
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Both those updates look awesome


Good to see Calgary moving ahead with this line. I ride the C train frequently when I'm there
     
     
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Also, the solid block of earth between the tracks and the surface means no cell phones, which means a brief respite of peace and quiet.
There will be wireless service in all subways by the time these things are built, I'm afraid.
     
     
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