[Moncton] Downtown Developments

[riverviewer]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

For those who are unsure what the visual impact of having three new 15 storey buildings on the old Co-op site would be, then look at this:



you will be confronted by an actual skyline! .

This is going to have a major impact. Does anyone have a picture of the skyline from the Riverview side so we can add a similar profile with those towers added? All skyline pictures of Moncton I see stop before that block.

[PEI highway guy]

Originally Posted by tmacdougall

I agree that expectations should be tempered but it would be tough to convince tenants to move into a tower(s) knowing construction could take 10 yrs...even 6 to 10 yrs. No thank you.

If 3 towers is correct, I predict they all go up in fairly quick order.

I understand your point, however, if the GMA Population continues to grow at anywhere near the rate it has in the past, demand for the units should be there no matter when they are built.

[jonny golden]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Aquillini is a tremendous property developer, but they are based in Vancouver, and their focus certainly is not on the east coast. They probably consolidated the Crowne Plaza block to keep their options open for a major urban development, but this is not a major priority for them. They are likely happy to sit on the land. I'm sure the annual property tax on the land is nothing more than a rounding error for them.

The other major developers active in Moncton (Lafford, Thrive, Quest, Ashford etc) are all local, and to them, development in the city is their primary focus and their main reason for existence. This is why these companies are so active right now.

Aquillini on the other hand may still be sitting on their property holdings downtown for another 10-15 years (or more) before they either decide to sell or develop the land.

Everything you've said is right on. I'd be very surprised if we see plans for their Moncton property any time in the foreseeable future. They're doing projects in B.C. and I doubt Moncton is even on their radar at this time. I think they bought that whole block to keep it under their control. It's a shame, but it is what it is.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by riverviewer

This is going to have a major impact. Does anyone have a picture of the skyline from the Riverview side so we can add a similar profile with those towers added? All skyline pictures of Moncton I see stop before that block.

Here you go:



I added in the 12 storey Saint Bernard Square too, since this will also have some impact on the city skyline.

[mylesmalley]

Loving the enthusiasm, but you all sound like kids hoping for a pony under the Christmas tree.

I won't be getting my hopes up until there are shovels in the ground on an approved project.

[flyer99]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Here you go:



I added in the 12 storey Saint Bernard Square too, since this will also have some impact on the city skyline.

FYI:
The federal government has announced building code changes that will come into effect in 2020, allowing for the construction of taller wood buildings up to 12 storeys. Currently, the height limit across Canada for wood buildings is 6 storeys.

With the 2020 National Building Code and the next BC Building Code, developers will be permitted to construct buildings up to 12 storeys using mass timber technology. With mass timber buildings, the primary load-bearing structure is composed of solid or engineered wood. Large wood panels used for walls, floors and roofs are prefabricated in a plant and assembled on site. This way, mass timber projects complete faster and require 90% less construction traffic.

Reading this I can't believe that these buildings would be 15 storeys high. Perhaps this is why the Bernard's project is topped out at 12 storeys.

[flyer99]

Originally Posted by flyer99

FYI:
The federal government has announced building code changes that will come into effect in 2020, allowing for the construction of taller wood buildings up to 12 storeys. Currently, the height limit across Canada for wood buildings is 6 storeys.

With the 2020 National Building Code and the next BC Building Code, developers will be permitted to construct buildings up to 12 storeys using mass timber technology. With mass timber buildings, the primary load-bearing structure is composed of solid or engineered wood. Large wood panels used for walls, floors and roofs are prefabricated in a plant and assembled on site. This way, mass timber projects complete faster and require 90% less construction traffic.

Reading this I can't believe that these buildings would be 15 storeys high. Perhaps this is why the Bernard's project is topped out at 12 storeys.

I posted the above because most of all of the buildings going up are wooden prefab. If these are going to be concrete and steel then, of course, the 12 storey limitation would not apply.

[Monctoncore]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Loving the enthusiasm, but you all sound like kids hoping for a pony under the Christmas tree.

I won't be getting my hopes up until there are shovels in the ground on an approved project.

I agree, until their are renders and an approval, all of this is just speculation. My fear is we have another Harper Building on our hands. Valmond Robichaud got our hopes up and the lot remains empty to this day.

[MonctonRad]

I sincerely doubt that Saint Bernard Square will be wooden prefab.

If the 15 storey rumour is true about the Co-op development then it won't be wooden prefab either.

The six storey buildings going up all over town however are generally wooden prefab on a concrete pedestal. This is a fairly standard modern construction practice.

[shazapple]

NBCC 2020 probably won't be published until December 2021, and considering New Brunswick only just adopted the 2015 code it might be a while before we see the effects of the newest code.

[Nashe]

Re: Higgins Block side entrance

I was watching the Council meeting last night and I believe it was part of the public presentation by the Heritage Preservation committee that they included this rebuild (of the side entrance, currently shrouded) of the Higgins block as an item they gave a grant to. Had a rendering (small) of it completed. Goal of it was to allow better access to the block for further development, IIRC.

[MonctonRad]

The Deluxe Fish n Chips building on St. George Street is for sale, as well as the adjacent vacant lot, for commercial redevelopment.

[David_99]

That corner REALLY needs a facelift. Hopefully we’ll see something nice come out of this.

[JHikka]

Suburban commercial zoning? Three blocks north of Main?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Suburban commercial zoning? Three blocks north of Main?

Welcome to Moncton!

Of course, this could change............

[Monctoncore]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Welcome to Moncton!

Of course, this could change............

After reading what suburban commercial means, it sounds as if that’s how that lot was designated for a long time now. That would be due to Deluxe being built on this property a long time ago. It is guaranteed to be changed.

[josh_cat_eyes]

Originally Posted by Monctoncore

After reading what suburban commercial means, it sounds as if that’s how that lot was designated for a long time now. That would be due to Deluxe being built on this property a long time ago. It is guaranteed to be changed.

Is the Deluxe location closing? Their Dieppe location would be another property that they could redevelop. They have awesome food but man do they need to invest in their properties.

[jonny golden]

Really interesting read on the property listing information. There are 6 different PID(s) involved, which make up the .65 acres. Also there is a fully rented apartment above the Delux restaurant! I never realized that existed. The asking price is $1,150,000.

I hope someone purchases the property and creates something really nice there. That neighbourhood could really use it.

Listing:

https://www.collierscanada.com/en-ca/pro...-moncton-new-brunswick-canada/can2007592

[Monctoncore]

Originally Posted by josh_cat_eyes

Is the Deluxe location closing? Their Dieppe location would be another property that they could redevelop. They have awesome food but man do they need to invest in their properties.

I’m not sure, but I will do some digging and see what I can find out, unless someone else on here beats me to it

[Monctoncore]

Originally Posted by jonny golden

Really interesting read on the property listing information. There are 6 different PID(s) involved, which make up the .65 acres. Also there is a fully rented apartment above the Delux restaurant! I never realized that existed. The asking price is $1,150,000.

I hope someone purchases the property and creates something really nice there. That neighbourhood could really use it.

Listing:

https://www.collierscanada.com/en-ca/pro...-moncton-new-brunswick-canada/can2007592

I would like to see residential with ground floor commercial