Halifax Stadium Discussion

[TheNovaScotian]

I agree with both of you in regards to the shipbuilding contract being hammered in stone, but i don't think it will be a contentious election issue.

Counterfactual, I usually agree with many of your posts but being an individual that has worked in the oil and gas industry in Alberta and seen first hand the effects on environments, if unchecked. The real issue in Nova Scotia's energy portfolio is not its onshore capabilities but off-shore. The 2 parcels that Shell and BP are after are not natural gas which is at historic lows in North America but oil. Each maybe larger than White Rose or Hibernia. Meaning at a $100 plus a barrel could be more wind in the sails. If we could only focus on the positive, positives that in other jurisdictions, would be celebrated and built upon. But all the positives get mired in the reminders of the failed attempts before. We've become afraid to fail in this city and province. So afraid that we don't even try.

Was I the only one when reminded of the medal count in Scotland cringed at the opportunity lost to leave a legacy of infrastructure for sports and entertainment. It definitely would have filled the hole in this summers entertainment schedule which has been pretty dull since Sam Roberts and until the upcoming Dropkick Murphys show. I've had to improvise with alot of company from abroad that want to do things while visiting.
Ultimately the impressive stadium was a go already and would have been built and we're still debating here if a city of 400 000 people with a catchment area of 3 million within 6 hours drive of here deserves a stadium?!

[xanaxanax]

Originally Posted by TheNovaScotian

I agree with both of you in regards to the shipbuilding contract being hammered in stone, but i don't think it will be a contentious election issue.

Counterfactual, I usually agree with many of your posts but being an individual that has worked in the oil and gas industry in Alberta and seen first hand the effects on environments, if unchecked. The real issue in Nova Scotia's energy portfolio is not its onshore capabilities but off-shore. The 2 parcels that Shell and BP are after are not natural gas which is at historic lows in North America but oil. Each maybe larger than White Rose or Hibernia. Meaning at a $100 plus a barrel could be more wind in the sails. If we could only focus on the positive, positives that in other jurisdictions, would be celebrated and built upon. But all the positives get mired in the reminders of the failed attempts before. We've become afraid to fail in this city and province. So afraid that we don't even try.

Was I the only one when reminded of the medal count in Scotland cringed at the opportunity lost to leave a legacy of infrastructure for sports and entertainment. It definitely would have filled the hole in this summers entertainment schedule which has been pretty dull since Sam Roberts and until the upcoming Dropkick Murphys show. I've had to improvise with alot of company from abroad that want to do things while visiting.
Ultimately the impressive stadium was a go already and would have been built and we're still debating here if a city of 400 000 people with a catchment area of 3 million within 6 hours drive of here deserves a stadium?!

3 million is a little over exaggeration, there is a little under 2 million but still thats more people in a smaller area than Manitoba or Saskatchewan. Atlantic Canada, Just NB, NS , PEI would be the 5th highest population wise if they were one Province which they really should be.

[counterfactual]

Originally Posted by TheNovaScotian

I agree with both of you in regards to the shipbuilding contract being hammered in stone, but i don't think it will be a contentious election issue.

Counterfactual, I usually agree with many of your posts but being an individual that has worked in the oil and gas industry in Alberta and seen first hand the effects on environments, if unchecked. The real issue in Nova Scotia's energy portfolio is not its onshore capabilities but off-shore. The 2 parcels that Shell and BP are after are not natural gas which is at historic lows in North America but oil. Each maybe larger than White Rose or Hibernia. Meaning at a $100 plus a barrel could be more wind in the sails. If we could only focus on the positive, positives that in other jurisdictions, would be celebrated and built upon. But all the positives get mired in the reminders of the failed attempts before. We've become afraid to fail in this city and province. So afraid that we don't even try.

Thanks, NovaScotian. I always appreciate input from people with real experience in the field-- I also share your hope that the offshore developments work out. That massive Shell exploration, one hopes, will bear something for the province.

[Colin May]

Originally Posted by counterfactual

We have our disagreements from time to time, Colin, but I whole heartedly agree with this-- MacNeil should make sure shipbuilding is a "go".

If only NS had a Danny Williams-like character; someone with backbone to go after Harper and the Feds to ensure they live up to promises and also stop hurting Nova Scotia with bad federal policy (the low provincial nominee quota limits we get, compared to Sask/Man, is one such example).

NS needs someone to stand up to NIMBYs too, and instead, forge ahead with decisions that are unpopular with a mouthy minority but are in the best interests of the province-- Williams dismissed people who protested against offshore development, and today, NL is reaping the many rewards as a "have" province.

When the Wheeler report comes out, it'll likely recommend that fracking should be permitted but regulated. But I fully expect the MacNeil government to fold like a cheap tower to mouthy protestors, and keep the fracking moratorium in place. Another possible industry banned. We like banning industries in Nova Scotia. It's our thing.

In short: MacNeil just seems like business as usual.

Wheeler should recommend seismic testing be allowed and when better regulations are in place allow drilling with compensation for landowners.
McNeil and Younger need to talk about all the wells drilled in the offshore in our region, starting with the well drilled off Charlottetown 70 years ago and the onshore wells at the western tip of Sable Island drilled in the late sixties. If the old wells were leaking you can bet the scientists would be telling us.
Chasing after Harper is no more important than nailing down Trudeau.
The unions should run a full page ad in national papers asking Harper and Trudea to commit to 'No Delays'.
The fools complaining about drilling 'Old Harry' in the Gulf of St Lawrence don't seem to remember the PetroCanada well drilled near St Paul's Island 30 years ago.

[counterfactual]

Originally Posted by Colin May

Wheeler should recommend seismic testing be allowed and when better regulations are in place allow drilling with compensation for landowners.
McNeil and Younger need to talk about all the wells drilled in the offshore in our region, starting with the well drilled off Charlottetown 70 years ago and the onshore wells at the western tip of Sable Island drilled in the late sixties. If the old wells were leaking you can bet the scientists would be telling us.
Chasing after Harper is no more important than nailing down Trudeau.
The unions should run a full page ad in national papers asking Harper and Trudea to commit to 'No Delays'.
The fools complaining about drilling 'Old Harry' in the Gulf of St Lawrence don't seem to remember the PetroCanada well drilled near St Paul's Island 30 years ago.

Don't disagree with any of that either!

[xanaxanax]

ha, I knew we were getting trolled by this guy http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1231397-halifax-needs-new-cfl-strategy

[c-way-dude]

Originally Posted by xanaxanax

ha, I knew we were getting trolled by this guy http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1231397-halifax-needs-new-cfl-strategy

CFL COO Michael Copeland is expected to become the next commissioner. It should be a smooth transition for the CFL, and for Halifax's interests. IIRC correctly, Copeland accompanied Cohon on his visit to Halifax last February. I believe that Copeland was also present when Savage met with Cohon in Toronto.

[c-way-dude]

Michael Copeland has withdrawn himself from the running to become the next CFL commissioner.
http://tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=461998

[Empire]

From the Chronicle

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/12403...wa-stadium-says-it-s-a-model-for-success

[hokus83]

Originally Posted by Empire

From the Chronicle

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/12403...wa-stadium-says-it-s-a-model-for-success

Is it? I thought it was for one of what not to do?

[ILoveHalifax]

I don't think our mayor knows a lot about stadia nor where to find out more about them. He might do well to read this thread, as I would suggest there is a lot of info here. He might also do well to contact Fenwick.

[Empire]

Mr. "we can't do it here Taylor" is at it again. I've never heard him propose an innovative solution. Just, "it can't be done here ever". Maybe he could do some research and find out what uses a site like Shannon park could integrate into a stadium park.

Herald:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1241254-taylor-hrm-stadium-idea-kicked-around

[fenwick16]

It is certainly encouraging to read reports of Mayor Savage seriously considering the pros and cons of building a stadium. I can see why Mayor Savage is thinking in terms of a Ottawa model (combining a stadium and commercial/residential development) and maybe Shannon Park is the only place where such a model would attract developers? One question that I have is: would developers be interested in residential development next to the MacKay Bridge? For anyone who has lived at Shannon Park, is noise from the bridge an issue?

I have read that Shannon Park would need infrastructure upgrades (sewer capacity and roads, for example) that would cost millions but it would be offset by future tax dollars. In any case, I don't think that Halifax should consider a retractable roof (as Roger Taylor queried) but go with an economical stadium design.

[Keith P.]

Savage and this Council seem determined to take HRM's record of spending like drunken sailors on every foolish whim to new heights. Hope the money tree isn't cut down.

[spaustin]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

For anyone who has lived at Shannon Park, is noise from the bridge an issue?

I have been there a few times. My planning classes project was on Shannon Park and included several site visits into the old military housing. Occasionally, my job takes me into BIO too. It's actually really surprising how little noise the traffic on the bridge makes when you're down on the ground below it. You hear the traffic when a big truck goes over, but the cars are just a kind of background hum.

[Colin May]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Savage and this Council seem determined to take HRM's record of spending like drunken sailors on every foolish whim to new heights. Hope the money tree isn't cut down.

I was was in a bar full of sailors and they were spending money their own money, unlike sober politicians.

[Colin May]

Originally Posted by Empire

Mr. "we can't do it here Taylor" is at it again. I've never heard him propose an innovative solution. Just, "it can't be done here ever". Maybe he could do some research and find out what uses a site like Shannon park could integrate into a stadium park.

Herald:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/1241254-taylor-hrm-stadium-idea-kicked-around

the more interesting story is the one which mentions :
" Plaintiffs Armco Capital Inc., Twin Brooks Developments Ltd., and APL Properties Ltd. named the municipality, Kurt Pyle, Rosemary McNeil and Kemp MacDonald as defendants in Nova Scotia Supreme Court documents filed Thursday. "
Butts is less than pleased that 3 staff are included in the suit.

http://herald.ca/business/1241237-armco-...-matter?from=most_read&most_read=1241237

[c-way-dude]

www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2014/11/28/pentons-grey-zone-cohon-pulls-back-reins-on-cfl-atlantic-canada-expansion

[cjones2451]

Seeing all the fans and the experience in Vancouver this weekend, I think Halifax would be an amazing host for the Grey Cup......would love to see a stadium, team and plan for that happening by 2025 !!!

[ILoveHalifax]

How long since our last civic election? Didn't our mayor indicate a desire to get a stadium built and a CFL team in Halifax?
Still nothing but a lot of BS?