ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[scania]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Besides, most good restaurants are about trying new things. It's pretty much fact at this point that those in the city are more up for trying new things than those choosing a cookie cutter life out in the burbs. It's the same concept as those in the city are usually more tolerant and accepting of new ideas than those in the burbs. Why would a creative chef risk his creativity on people who have a lower chance of accepting and appreciating it? Hence no good restaurants in the suburbs. Ha

I guess you never heard of Seed in East Cobb, but maybe you have heard of Rathburn since its in the city. You really show your ignorance about things outside the city. Seed by the way is a great new restaurant in the burbs...new concept and everything you think only happens in the city. Btw, you might should check out downtown Roswell, there are plethora of very cool and nice restaurants that are not only in the city, but aren't cookie cutter either. You might be shocked on what it has to offer. Also, these Novare towers are all cookie cutter. Lol

[atlantaguy]

To change direction slightly, there is an interesting article about the Beltline in this mornings AJC:

http://www.ajc.com/news/transportation-r...eaves-1491841.html?cxtype=rss_news_61499

[BlindFatSnake]

Nearly a week after the resounding defeat of a terribly planned transportation bill to improve (or constipate) Atlanta's notorious traffic nightmare, forumers are still stuck on stupid when it comes to developing a real plan to DEAL with traffic in Atlanta. Advocating toll roads, really? A tax to enter the city, really? Let the suburbs suffer traffic hell, while the city build traffic-inducing streetcars, wow! The region will still be viewed by decision makers as a cluster*uck.

Without rail transit, Atlanta will ALWAYS be marred in traffic hell. Apparently the governor think his next plan will work. Let's see...

First, the governor must controll the fight that is brewing amongst fellow republicans who want to REPEAL the T-SPLOST provision in the law that mandates a 30% match from local governments who voted down the T-SPLOST, while allowing the 3 districts that voted for the T-SPLOST to pay the standard 10%. The republicans (and mayor Reid) built a house of cards on a faulty foundation that collasped due to the instablity of its logic: a little of something for every county without any real regional connection.

The voters saw through this and kicked the can down the road - only to be picked up by a governor who is so blinded by partisan politics that he'll shoot himself in the foot before the voters have a chance to send him packing.

The political fallout from this is just beginning, and Chip Rogers will be leading the team of republicans who will be SCREAMING EXTORTION if the state collects the extra 20% from communities who DARED to vote no.

This is going to get interesting real fast...

[atlantaguy]

^ I have news for you - calling forumers "stuck on stupid" is beyond insulting, and won't get you very far around here.

People are throwing out ideas and thinking out loud - nothing more. And we already have rail tranist IN THE CORE. Name a single peer city that offers a heavy rail transit system that offers the connectivity and capacity that we ALREADY have in place. MARTA is the 7th busiest heavy rail system in the country. Not too shaby in a lot of people's opinion.

[Tuckerman]

I am pleased to report that the $2.6 billion Curiosity made its dramatic arrival on Martian terrain today. I am pleased that Mars is on the way to developing a comprehensive transit plan with the arrival of this vehicle. I think the solution for Atlanta is clear.

[joecool]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

I am pleased to report that the $2.6 billion Curiosity made its dramatic arrival on Martian terrain today. I am pleased that Mars is on the way to developing a comprehensive transit plan with the arrival of this vehicle. I think the solution for Atlanta is clear.

Do what? lol

[RudyJK]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

I am pleased to report that the $2.6 billion Curiosity made its dramatic arrival on Martian terrain today. I am pleased that Mars is on the way to developing a comprehensive transit plan with the arrival of this vehicle. I think the solution for Atlanta is clear.

In related news, the grand poobah of Mars referred to Jupiterians as 'alienists' for not kicking in the extra $3 billion it would have taken to connect Mars to Jupiter via Io.

[BlindFatSnake]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

^ I have news for you - calling forumers "stuck on stupid" is beyond insulting, and won't get you very far around here.

People are throwing out ideas and thinking out loud - nothing more. And we already have rail tranist IN THE CORE. Name a single peer city that offers a heavy rail transit system that offers the connectivity and capacity that we ALREADY have in place. MARTA is the 7th busiest heavy rail system in the country. Not too shaby in a lot of people's opinion.

Atlanta is supposedly a global city; therefore, any major city would be its peer.

Cities with superior heavy rail systems:
NYC, Chicago, D.C., Boston, San Francisco, Philly, and Jersey City.

Cities that are expanding their rail systems with heavy rail, light rail, and or commuter rail:
NYC, Chicago, D.C. Boston, San Francisco, Philly, Newark, St. Louis, Denver, Seattle, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Charlotte, Norfolk, Tucson, Salt Lake City, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Jersey City, Los Angeles, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Nashville, Memphis, etc.

When was the last time JAWGA added any time of mass rail transit to its arsenal of roads? Answer: the year 2000 (some 12 years ago), and without any future plans to add any type of rail. Yet they promoised to build a multi-modal station downtown.

That's like building your 6 year old a garage and telling him in 10 years he can put hid own car in it. There is no commuter rail for a yet-to-be-built multimodal station.

Just smoke and mirrors in JAWGA, and everybody in the world sees the ATL's bull$hit for what it is.

Rail is the solution... In 2014 we'll be staring rail in the face and the world will be watching to see if we act in accordance with other large metros.

[@alynch1102]

Hello group. Really enjoying this thread, and for the most part, quality discussion. I live in Midtown, and work in multifamily investment brokerage. This thread has been a great resource for a new Atlantan. Hopefully I will be able to contribute some more as new developments take shape.

BTW, any forum with a is cool with me.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by @alynch1102

Hello group. Really enjoying this thread, and for the most part, quality discussion. I live in Midtown, and work in multifamily investment brokerage. This thread has been a great resource for a new Atlantan. Hopefully I will be able to contribute some more as new developments take shape.

BTW, any forum with a is cool with me.

Welcome to the forum! Can't wait to see your contributions and insight!

[testarossa50]

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2012/08/07/atlanta-14th-for-population-growth-in.html

This article is a bit of a headscratcher. The census bureau says Atlanta gained 12,000 people between 2010 and 2011--three times the increase for the entire 2000-2010 period. I guess the rental boom could be pushing the population up by increasing occupancy in existing buildings, but 12,000 seems like a whole lot.

[Tuckerman]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2012/08/07/atlanta-14th-for-population-growth-in.html

This article is a bit of a headscratcher. The census bureau says Atlanta gained 12,000 people between 2010 and 2011--three times the increase for the entire 2000-2010 period. I guess the rental boom could be pushing the population up by increasing occupancy in existing buildings, but 12,000 seems like a whole lot.

Agreed. Unfortunately the Census bureau's forecasting of growth is rather jaded. As we know, they missed the mark with Atlanta considerably in the 2000-2010 period with overestimation. The other problem is the old "apples/oranges" issue. City boundaries and relations to inner suburbs are hardly standardized. Finally, listing these growths by simple number priorities is lazy statistics.

[hamster]

Midtown [Ponce De Leon Ave & Glen Iris Dr]

http://www.cactuscarwash.com/locations/georgia/atlanta-midtown-express

I love these $5 or less assembly line car wash and free vacuum places. Glad that one of these will finally be in Midtown.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by BlindFatSnake

Atlanta is supposedly a global city; therefore, any major city would be its peer.

Wrong. Our peer cities are Dallas, Houston & Miami. Our rail ridership is more than all three COMBINED.

Cities with superior heavy rail systems:
NYC, Chicago, D.C., Boston, San Francisco, Philly, and Jersey City.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! ALL of which with the exception of Jersey City are MUCH larger and all of them are much older than Atlanta. Jersey City does have PATH, but it wouldn't have jack if it wasn't across the Hudson from Manhattan - so you are basically talking New York here. Really? And NO U.S. city has the Federal largesse that D.C. has. Total fail, on all points.

Cities that are expanding their rail systems with heavy rail, light rail, and or commuter rail:
NYC, Chicago, D.C. Boston, San Francisco, Philly, Newark, St. Louis, Denver, Seattle, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Charlotte, Norfolk, Tucson, Salt Lake City, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento, Jersey City, Los Angeles, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Nashville, Memphis, etc.

And yet again, MARTA rail transports more than ANY of these places after the first 6 you list, all of which are much, much larger and older than Atlanta. All of the first 6 were also big cities before there were these things called CARS. The rest of this strange grab-bag of places range from doing nothing more than adding small streetcar lines just like we are Downtown (Ft. Lauderdale & Tucson), to a fair amount that are facing massive funding shortfalls. Denver may have to go back to the voters for a new tax. Charlotte is having massive funding issues, and had to substantially shorten the ONE light rail line they plan to extend. Miami just now finally connected the airport to Metro, but they are totally broke and can't bulid anything new anywhere. They are basically done.

Several of the others are doing okay - but NONE, zilch are building heavy rail with the exception of D.C. and L.A. (and almost all of L.A.'s lines are light rail, a far inferior system to what we have in heavy rail).

Nashville has a single line of commuter rail that nobody rides, and is basically considered a joke. There are no plans there for any rail there, they have decided to go with BRT instead. And please enlighten us with just what Memphis has planned.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about here.

When was the last time JAWGA added any time of mass rail transit to its arsenal of roads? Answer: the year 2000 (some 12 years ago), and without any future plans to add any type of rail. Yet they promoised to build a multi-modal station downtown.

That's like building your 6 year old a garage and telling him in 10 years he can put hid own car in it. There is no commuter rail for a yet-to-be-built multimodal station.

It's a concept called "planning for the future" in case you aren't familiar with it. The MMPT will tie together already existing transportation - GRTA Express, CCT, GCT, Greyhound, Amtrak and seemlessly blend in with MARTA. Don't bet on commuter rail and High Speed Rail not happening. The Feds have designated us as the Hub for SE HSR, and it will eventually happen. Why do you think well respected nationally known firms competed to be a part of this massive project?

Just smoke and mirrors in JAWGA, and everybody in the world sees the ATL's bull$hit for what it is.

More bitter, mindless bullshit.

Rail is the solution... In 2014 we'll be staring rail in the face and the world will be watching to see if we act in accordance with other large metros.

This makes no sense at all - you must be typing fast on your phone or something. If you think that the powers that be around here are going to let the state hold us back, you know nothing of our history here. Atlanta has never been a place to rest on its laurels, and I don't see that changing.

One more time - many, MANY places around the country would KILL for what we already have in MARTA (including Seattle at the top of the list). Are you aware that they voted overwhelming AGAINST rail in the 70's, and we got their pot of money to build MARTA? Now they are playing catch up, and it is costing them 5-6 times what it should have - for LRT, no less.

You are doing nothing but beating a dead horse here, yet again...............

[micropundit]

After months of behind-the-scenes preparations, cranes started removing debris from the gaping dirt hole at the middle of the project on Tuesday.

Soon, they'll start piecing together the bones of the buildings. The roughly $1 billion project will eventually include 370 apartments, 300,000 square feet of retail space and about 100,000 square feet of "boutique" office space, and should be complete by late 2013 or early 2014 the developers say.



http://www.ajc.com/business/work-resumes-on-scaled-1492933.html

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by micropundit

After months of behind-the-scenes preparations, cranes started removing debris from the gaping dirt hole at the middle of the project on Tuesday.

Soon, they'll start piecing together the bones of the buildings. The roughly $1 billion project will eventually include 370 apartments, 300,000 square feet of retail space and about 100,000 square feet of "boutique" office space, and should be complete by late 2013 or early 2014 the developers say.



http://www.ajc.com/business/work-resumes-on-scaled-1492933.html

I'm glad the giant hole in the ground is finally getting work started again. For me, I don't think it will be a place I will visit much. I think Ponce City Market will be the best destination spot in Atlanta when it's done (about the same time). I think this place will attract the Real Housewives of Atlanta type. No thanks.

[sevensixtwo]

Is anyone aware of the five ethics complaints pending against Nathan Deal? I think a new Governor is the best thing for transit at this point. Otherwise we're going to be stuck on stupid for another 30 months. It is relatively easy to initiate recall in Jawja. I think this would a fun and worthwhile task.

All the huge profits to be made that led to T-Splost is still there. Stuck on stupid seems to think all that money just disappeared. That is not the case. This is also most certainly not the case: "Put local tolls on federally funded interstates." LOL

~~~~~~~~~~~

[sevensixtwo]

Things are heating up in Atlanta development-wise. Surely we will be hearing about this project and that project ready to go waiting to secure funding. Finance is a big part of development and I know there are a lot intelligent, technically minded people on here... even ones that supported T-Lost. To understand development finance it is necessary to look at the big picture. If this interests you, please have a look at this scholarly article and specifically the mind-boggling results on page 33.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1107.5728

[scania]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

Wrong. Our peer cities are Dallas, Houston & Miami. Our rail ridership is more than all three COMBINED.



LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! ALL of which with the exception of Jersey City are MUCH larger and all of them are much older than Atlanta. Jersey City does have PATH, but it wouldn't have jack if it wasn't across the Hudson from Manhattan - so you are basically talking New York here. Really? And NO U.S. city has the Federal largesse that D.C. has. Total fail, on all points.



And yet again, MARTA rail transports more than ANY of these places after the first 6 you list, all of which are much, much larger and older than Atlanta. All of the first 6 were also big cities before there were these things called CARS. The rest of this strange grab-bag of places range from doing nothing more than adding small streetcar lines just like we are Downtown (Ft. Lauderdale & Tucson), to a fair amount that are facing massive funding shortfalls. Denver may have to go back to the voters for a new tax. Charlotte is having massive funding issues, and had to substantially shorten the ONE light rail line they plan to extend. Miami just now finally connected the airport to Metro, but they are totally broke and can't bulid anything new anywhere. They are basically done.

Several of the others are doing okay - but NONE, zilch are building heavy rail with the exception of D.C. and L.A. (and almost all of L.A.'s lines are light rail, a far inferior system to what we have in heavy rail).

Nashville has a single line of commuter rail that nobody rides, and is basically considered a joke. There are no plans there for any rail there, they have decided to go with BRT instead. And please enlighten us with just what Memphis has planned.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about here.




It's a concept called "planning for the future" in case you aren't familiar with it. The MMPT will tie together already existing transportation - GRTA Express, CCT, GCT, Greyhound, Amtrak and seemlessly blend in with MARTA. Don't bet on commuter rail and High Speed Rail not happening. The Feds have designated us as the Hub for SE HSR, and it will eventually happen. Why do you think well respected nationally known firms competed to be a part of this massive project?



More bitter, mindless bullshit.



This makes no sense at all - you must be typing fast on your phone or something. If you think that the powers that be around here are going to let the state hold us back, you know nothing of our history here. Atlanta has never been a place to rest on its laurels, and I don't see that changing.

One more time - many, MANY places around the country would KILL for what we already have in MARTA (including Seattle at the top of the list). Are you aware that they voted overwhelming AGAINST rail in the 70's, and we got their pot of money to build MARTA? Now they are playing catch up, and it is costing them 5-6 times what it should have - for LRT, no less.

You are doing nothing but beating a dead horse here, yet again...............

One of the best post this year! Thank You

[delarosa]

Originally Posted by scania

One of the best post this year! Thank You

I'll second that...a solid, well-informed post