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Old Posted Jun 27, 2008, 12:06 AM
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Uh huh yeah whatever. But I'll let you be in denial.




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Haha, first time I've checked out a LA thread and I come across a Houston comment. FYI, the Williams Tower is located in Uptown, Houston's second largest employment center. That picture is pretty misleading of the area in general, but Williams Tower is probably the most prominent building in Houston since it's almost 1,000 ft tall and the next tallest building in Uptown is ~600 ft. I think of William's Tower as Houston's beacon/lighthouse (it has a revolving light on the top at night).

Sounds like you guys have got some good things coming to your downtown.
     
     
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L.A., County Officials Expect to Get Funds for Downtown Park

The $26.4 million, earmarked for a 16-acre space between City Hall and the Music Center, must be approved by the governor.

By Cara Mia DiMassa, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 26, 2008

Downtown's great park took a step closer to reality today.

City and county officials announced today that they expect to receive $26.4 million in state funds for a civic park between City Hall and the Music Center that will be built as part of the $3-billion Grand Avenue project.

The 16-acre park already has more than $50 million committed, from fees paid by the project's developer, Related Cos., to the city and county, which own the land. But the extra funds will allow additional enhancements to the park's initial design, officials said. The civic park must be completed before the rest of Grand Avenue's first phase, in part because agreements with the public agencies dictate that Related will not be given certificates of occupancy for the rest of the development until the park is complete.

The state funds were authorized by the Assembly today as part of a bill allocating $150 million of Proposition 1C funds. The disbursement must be approved by the governor, who is expected to sign the bill either Friday or Monday. If approved, the money will go to the county, which will administer the park funds.
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I was on the Clark Construction website today and I noticed that their webcam showed some lighting in place on the new building. I captured this image from their webcam and noticed that by 5 pm they turned off the blue lighting... I guess they do not want people to see it at night lit up yet.
     
     
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^ That certainly is good news. Worthy of an OMFG, even. JDR, you may commence with the dancing smiley's, and I don't think it will bother anyone.

Methinks this might be the beginning of a second "boom", so to speak - foreign investment in American real estate while the dollar is weak. Makes for a better long term investment return when our real estate market rebounds.
I'll do it so he won't have to.

OMFG!!!

Now for the armada of dancing produce.



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^ Funny that you mention getting crunk. My friends have nicknamed me "Crulman" when I get crunk. Unfortunately that name applies all too often.

Here's an update from earlier today...

717 Ninth

Does a good job of extending the Flower St. canyon. Not bad for an "auto-centric city", no?





AON Center

Work on the lobby remodel has indeed begun.



LAPD Motor Pool

Finally above ground. That actually happened faster than I thought.



And now for some adaptive re-use projects.

Brockman

I saw some people up in one of the units, so either they were new buyers or - hopefully - someone doing a walk-through for their closing...



810 South Spring

Looking very close. These are converting to rentals like most projects these days. The retail spaces look very nice.



8th and Spring (SE corner)

Across the street from 810 South Spring, but I can't think of the name.



Rowan Lofts

You can't see it from this picture, but there are window coverings in a few of the units on the back part of the building that faces Spring Street. So either the first move-ins have begun, or the developer has dressed up some units to show. My bet is on move-ins, primarily because of the number of units and the different styles of window coverings.

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Old Posted Jun 29, 2008, 12:12 AM
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^Nice photos colemonkee. That building at 8th & Spring is called the Great Republic Lofts:

http://www.angelenic.com/763/first-look-great-republic-lofts/
     
     
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^ That certainly is good news. Worthy of an OMFG, even. JDR, you may commence with the dancing smiley's, and I don't think it will bother anyone.

Methinks this might be the beginning of a second "boom", so to speak - foreign investment in American real estate while the dollar is weak. Makes for a better long term investment return when our real estate market rebounds.


OMFG!!!!

I didn't think this day would come for months! Maybe this will tick Related off enough to finally force them to hurry up so we can create some competition here in Downtown, in which case we would ALL benefit from!

Off-Topic: What i'm wondering is if you are paying attention to recent comments posted by forumers I will not name.
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^Nice photos colemonkee. That building at 8th & Spring is called the Great Republic Lofts:

http://www.angelenic.com/763/first-look-great-republic-lofts/
It's been far too long since I've explored the Historic Core. I had no idea what was going on with this building let alone the name of it. Oh..and I read your interview (I guess you can call it that) in the new Los Angeles magazine. Really interesting read. Thumbs up soldier.

Off topic but related: I've been in San Diego these past few days visiting my grandmother and hanging out with my cousin whom I haven't seen in 10 years (she's Korean and lives in Seoul). I've been spending alot of time in DTSD and have come to the realization that downtown LA has a much more urban and 'citylike' feel than SD. Don't get me wrong I love San Diego as it's my hometown. It's good to see lots of construction and there are lots of really good restraunts there (I reccomend Lotus Thai). But it doesn't have that grit or edgyness that LA has. It's downtown has a suburban feel to it. It's extremely hard to navigate by car (lots of narrow one way streets as opposed to LA's wide streets), and the streets are pretty shoddy. But I do love how the trolly runs throughout downtown and alot of the condo towers I could easily see popping up in South Park. But I don't know. It just doesn't 'feel' citylike to me.

Coleman: Crulman? Pff..tell them that I am Crunkman! Alchoholic Avenger! To the rescue here I am!!!!

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It's been far too long since I've explored the Historic Core. I had no idea what was going on with this building let alone the name of it. Oh..and I read your interview (I guess you can call it that) in the new Los Angeles magazine. Really interesting read. Thumbs up soldier.

Off topic but related: I've been in San Diego these past few days visiting my grandmother and hanging out with my cousin whom I haven't seen in 10 years (she's Korean and lives in Seoul). I've been spending alot of time in DTSD and have come to the realization that downtown LA has a much more urban and 'citylike' feel than SD. Don't get me wrong I love San Diego as it's my hometown. It's good to see lots of construction and there are lots of really good restraunts there (I reccomend Lotus Thai). But it doesn't have that grit or edgyness that LA has. It's downtown has a suburban feel to it. It's extremely hard to navigate by car (lots of narrow one way streets as opposed to LA's wide streets), and the streets are pretty shoddy. But I do love how the trolly runs throughout downtown and alot of the condo towers I could easily see popping up in South Park. But I don't know. It just doesn't 'feel' citylike to me.

Coleman: Crulman? Pff..tell them that I am Crunkman! Alchoholic Avenger! To the rescue here I am!!!!

JDR: You need to learn how to take things in stride. Your ass cracks when someone calls you a son of a biscut eating bulldog*. Quit being a baby and laugh at yourself sometimes.

* Gold star goes to whoever gets that refrence.
Not like I need it...or even want it for that matter but, I would have to say it's from that Orbitz commercial.
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that canyon shot demonstrates how LA is a city of illusory landscapes, scenes which are actually more tangible behind the lense than in person...than in reality
     
     
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Not like I need it...or even want it for that matter but, I would have to say it's from that Orbitz commercial.


ed: What DO you like? I mean do you like ANYTHING?
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From Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-alossi29-2008jun29,0,3144765.story

Rethinking Grand Avenue

The price tag for the downtown mega-project keeps climbing. A new direction is needed.

By Rich Alossi
June 29, 2008

Much has been said about the Frank Gehry-designed Grand Avenue project, from jaded urban commentators bemoaning the project's lack of progress on the ground and taxpayer subsidies to starry-eyed downtown boosters -- myself included, at times -- who see the giant development as a validation of the urban Angeleno lifestyle.

But with government officials overseeing the project growing increasingly concerned about the repeated delays in the beginning of construction, now expected to get underway in February, it's time to ask a larger question: Have we become too locked into one vision of this development? If cost estimates keep going up and construction is delayed again and again, shouldn't we think about backing out of part of the project in favor of some other vision?

A world-class development across the street from the iconic Walt Disney Concert Hall -- itself once plagued with cost overruns and construction delays -- and near the Music Center has been the dream of local politicians for years. There's no question that transforming a makeshift parking lot used mostly by reluctant jurors into a five-star hotel adjacent to two residential towers and an upscale shopping center would further shake the stigma of downtown as a place plagued by homelessness and blight.

The Grand Avenue project would offer other benefits as well. It would bring in much-needed tax revenue by creating living-wage jobs and stimulating retail sales downtown. And its developer, Related Cos., will finance the construction of a civic park linking City Hall and the Music Center.

But in Los Angeles, our politicians often get swept up in overly grand visions, including the leveling of Victorian homes on Bunker Hill to make way for office towers and the unfunded Los Angeles State Historic Park -- known as the "cornfield" -- north of Union Station.Mega-projects such as Grand Avenue may keep the city in the pages of architectural publications, but too often, the economic reality of them yanks our collective heads out of the clouds.

Take, for example, the unrelenting rise in the cost of construction. Because the building and infrastructure boom in China is increasing demand for steel, glass, concrete and other materials, the cost of constructing skyscrapers worldwide has soared. Cost estimates of the Grand Avenue project have increased by nearly $1 billion since planning began in 2003.The three-phased project is now projected to cost just shy of $3 billion.

The already high price tag means that Related Cos. isn't able to build the three phases concurrently and will most likely seek construction delays on the subsequent phases. On the current timeline, the second phase of the project won't be completed until the middle of the next decade -- and that's only in the unlikely case that there are no more delays.


Meanwhile, the cost of raw materials will continue to rise, and confused tourists will continue to ask why our prized architectural jewel -- Disney Hall -- still overlooks a parking lot.

So what's the solution?

The joint powers authority charged with directing the course of the development should do the unthinkable: Take a step back from the grand vision and allow the free market to take over by selling the development rights on the four remaining Grand Avenue parcels to different developers. Once the economy improves, the individual projects would be in a stronger position to secure financing than one mega-development.

To acknowledge the great work that has been done so far by Related Cos. and Gehry Partners, the project's first phase should be allowed to proceed as planned, even with all the delays. We've come too far to go back to the drawing board now.

But great cities and neighborhoods are rarely created by a single developer. Different buildings, each contributing in its own way to the feel of a street or neighborhood, can become a powerful visual symbol of Los Angeles. Letting market forces decide what is feasible for the Grand Avenue project would help ensure that everyone gets what they want: an exciting gathering place for L.A. in the shortest time possible, with minimal taxpayer subsidies.

Of course, building-permit approvals would have to be streamlined and design standards set to ensure high-quality projects with fewer construction delays. Developing the remaining Grand Avenue parcels as quickly as possible with projects that the market can bear should be the priority.

Proceeds from remaining leasesshould be used to build a downtown streetcar system that could shuttle Angelenos from one mega-development to the next in modern, Portland-style trolleys.

The Grand Avenue project is important to the future of downtown not only as a revenue generator but as a symbol of the many strides made in the city's center. Letting market forces shape it may be the best way to get what we need faster.

Rich Alossi is a contributing editor to Curbed LA and founder of the downtown blog angelenic.com, which deals with development.
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Rich, I could've agree more! Well said my friend.
     
     
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i just realized that was printed in today's LA Times sunday opinion section. have you been printed in the LA Times before? thats pretty awesome, RAlossi.
     
     
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great article ralossi. exactly how i've always felt about grand ave, la live, and other mega projects like them. in a more ideal world, the city would not need mega developers for viability. in the more ideal world, the free market would create a more diverse, more organic, more democratic mixture of development, not one project of which has the ability to homogenize the urban fabric by its sheer scale, and planning departments would actually be able to regulate this developent for public good. instead, our city requires the ubiquitous institutional "mac-developer", billions of dollars in pilfered subsidies, and corrupt politicians to see things through. but in LA there is no market for a city, so a "city" must be built and marketed.

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To answer the question of what to do with the county buildings
This covers the parcel, or lot, bordered by Grand, Tom Bradley,Temple and Hill. Two towers along Hill, at the corners of Bradley and Temple, leveled grass bordered by trees and accessable from all directions by a grand stairway on Hill and elevators within both towers. Stairs and ramps on Bradley and Temple. Height: 40 stories. Centrally located fountain between towers with 150 foot diameter reflecting pool frozen over in December for ice skating. 130 foot lighted tree for Holiday year end. Underground parking for county employees between towers. Both towers contain cheap eats (maybe a restaurant?) at ground level and employee access to 3rd level pavilions for eating. Park benches under trees throughout. Otherwise, level grass. Price: 520 million. Date: December, 2012
     
     
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