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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 4:21 AM
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I thought Palmer's next project was to be the "Da Vinci" somewhere around 1st and Hill. As tired as I am of seeing his style splintered all over DT, I'd rather see a 50 story project happen here than all the way out 23rd street.
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..."Went to an EIR (Environmental Impact Report) scoping meeting last night for the newest Palmer monstrosity. This time on 23rd between Flower and Figueroa, on 8 acres that used to be Orthopedic Hospital. Now they want to shed the permanent Q (hospital) zoning and the CRA's PF zoning to become...a 1,400 unit 50 story glass and steel luxury rental tower! Connected by a sky-walk on the 3rd or 4th floor to a six-story in the more "traditional" Palmer faux-talian style...

...As far as details, there won't be any retail, but the CRA wants them to do something like a sit-down restaurant like a Denny's, a small grocery store, and maybe a coffee shop..."
Interesting, right next to the Expo Line Station.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 7:17 AM
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A 50 story Palmer building... I can't think of anything scarier.

     
     
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^ The "report" did mention that it would be a GLASS and STEEL tower, but that picture you have up there is still pretty funny. lol

I agree with DTgymrat that I would rather his proposed tower take up another deadzone somewhere in City West than at 23rd Street. If it is built, at least it would be next to the Expo Line Station as PV said.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 10:09 AM
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Hopefully this article rings true enough for Park Fifth and The Grand to gain enough steam to break ground...

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Animal prints are a running theme at Hotel Palomar. “ Los Angeles is one of the best areas in the entire country to build a hotel,” says Alan Reay, president of Atlas Hospitality Group. “It’s that strong.”


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Posh hotels bloom under dark economic clouds
Four new lodging choices await travelers for whom the price of gas is not an issue.
By Kimi Yoshino
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

June 25, 2008

This tourism season's buzzword may be "staycation" -- as in, it's too expensive to drive or fly anywhere -- but neither analysts nor hoteliers expect soaring gas prices and the struggling economy to spoil the debuts of a rash of new Los Angeles hotels.

Kimpton's trendy Hotel Palomar and the London West Hollywood, which boasts Gordon Ramsay's first West Coast restaurant, both recently opened. Later this year, guests are slated to start checking in at the Montage Beverly Hills, sister of the luxurious resort in Laguna Beach, and the SLS at Beverly Hills, formerly Le Meridien and the first hotel venture for L.A. night-life king Sam Nazarian.

In total, the hotels contain about 960 rooms, though only the Montage is considered new construction. The others are renovated and rebranded hotels that had pulled rooms off line for several months during their overhauls.

The projects, either boutique or luxury offerings, were all planned and funded when the economy was booming, only to reach completion now, when nervous consumers are reluctant to spend money and travel.

But analysts and hoteliers said demand has far outstripped development. Room rates are still rising and the customers keep coming.

"Los Angeles is one of the best areas in the entire country to build a hotel," said Alan Reay, president of Atlas Hospitality Group. "It's that strong. These hotels will open extremely well and be very profitable. People paying $300, $400, $500 a night are really not worried about gas prices."

All four properties are in the West Los Angeles market, which is "historically healthy" with a track record of customers willing to pay for quality, said Bruce Baltin, senior vice president of PKF Consulting in Los Angeles.

Hotels in that part of town had occupancy rates of about 75% last year with an average daily room rate of $298.50, Baltin said. Although occupancy is projected to slip a hair to 74% this year, average room rates are predicted to rise to $315, proof that the market remains strong, Baltin said.

Last year, Los Angeles County had occupancy levels at 77%, an all-time high, Baltin said. Occupancy remains strong but is down a couple points this year.

"The challenge with building a hotel is that it takes years and years and the exact environment you're going to open up in, you don't really know," said Mike Depatie, chief executive of San Francisco-based Kimpton Hotels. "In the short term, it's a bit of a rough sea. But everybody's investing in the hotel business for the longer term."

Depatie said Los Angeles was a difficult city to build in -- particularly in markets like Beverly Hills, Santa Monica and other pockets of West L.A. -- because the approval process was long and tedious. Once open, though, the market is favorable.

"I think we've got a bit of a tiger by the tail with this hotel," Depatie said, noting that Hotel Palomar was helped by its visible location on Wilshire Boulevard in Westwood, a mile east of the 405 Freeway.

The hotel has about 260 rooms, with an introductory rate of $249. It is a former Doubletree Hotel, but the rooms were largely gutted and redesigned. Aimed at customers from the entertainment industry, the property is getting much of its clientele from New York, with a lot of business travelers. Splashes of turquoise and red enliven the modern rooms; and animal prints run throughout the hotel, including Kimpton's signature animal-print, Turkish cotton robes.

At the all-suite London West Hollywood, on North San Vicente Boulevard near Sunset Boulevard, General Manager Vincent Mercurio said the hotel was seeing "pretty steady demand" headed into its third month of operation. The recent opening of British chef Gordon Ramsay's restaurant -- "Western European with subtle Asian influence" in Mercurio's words -- is likely to boost business.

"It doubles or triples the foot traffic and it's great exposure of our property," Mercurio said.

Most of the guests, he said, were trying to mix business with pleasure. International tourism is also picking up -- and with Web rates starting at $249 a night for at least 750 square feet of space, the hotel is a steal for people used to paying double that for rooms in New York or Paris. The London West Hollywood is the former Bel Age Hotel.

Like at the Palomar, business at the London West Hollywood is being driven by the entertainment industry, Mercurio said. "There was a fall-off earlier with the writers strike, but we have a lot of these entertainment- and film-related production business," he said. "There's a draw here that I think is working in our favor."

The SLS at Beverly Hills, designed by Philippe Starck, is the first in a new chain of luxury hotels imagined by Nazarian, chief executive of SBE Entertainment and best known for Los Angeles hot spots Hyde and S Bar. The hotel, which is to open in August, will be managed by Starwood.

Montage Beverly Hills -- a new property expected to compete in the high-end luxury class along with the Four Seasons and the Peninsula Hotel -- is scheduled to open in November.

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I was in South Park the night of that "Death Cab for Cutie" at the Nokia Theater, and I noticed is that the Billboard hangars on the ESPN HQ and Grammy Museum Buildings are similar to those on 717 Olympic. What I'm hoping is that they won't be simple little pictures like the ones on Hanover or on the sides of the Nokia; instead, I think more of them should be digital.

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Oh dear God no.
What? At least there is a new project in the works, right? Though that imaginative concept that DowntownCharlieBrown showed right now was really gross.
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^^^Even if by the grace of God this project somehow comes out with a decent design, a 50 story tower next to USC would look ridiculous. The SBC Tower or Transammerica tower or whatever its called now looks weird enough being apart from the main skyline and that's IN downtown. This would look like the Burj Dubai in a neighborhood consisting of such low rise structures. It would be like putting a skyscraper in the middle of a feild and expecting it to look right and blend in.
     
     
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I was in South Park the night of that "Death Cab for Cutie" at the Nokia Theater,
Damn, there goes the neighborhood.

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and I noticed is that the Billboard hangars on the ESPN HQ and Grammy Museum Buildings are similar to those on 717 Olympic. What I'm hoping is that they won't be simple little pictures like the ones on Hanover or on the sides of the Nokia; instead, I think more of them should be digital.
There's a good chance you'll be disappointed, then. While there may be some additional LCD's, I'll bet most of the new signage will be static.

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What? At least there is a new project in the works, right?
Yeah, so we should all get ourselves worked up into a lather over every new project that comes down the pike, no matter how inappropriate it might be! Come on everybody, let's party!!! WOOHOO!!!

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The "smarter ones" will remember we already discussed the billboards.
     
     
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^The nastiness always seems to follow this post:
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Maybe some other people here should follow my lead and stop responding to what I can only assume are asinine posts.
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It would be like putting a skyscraper in the middle of a feild and expecting it to look right and blend in.

Hey! You're inadvertently referring to Houston!
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Hey! You're inadvertently referring to Houston!
No, Houston has those things because it is an urban city, as opposed to a suburban city.
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^^^Even if by the grace of God this project somehow comes out with a decent design, a 50 story tower next to USC would look ridiculous.
The site is not next to USC: it's at roughly the midpoint between the Convention Center and USC. It's next LATTC, Expo and the freeway.
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I'm not opposed to this Palmer tower if the design is good ("glass and steel" sounds promising, but I'll wait for a rendering) and they incorporate retail into the development. If you're going to plop 1,400 units into an area, you should support it with retail - the area could use more retail frankly.

As for towers existing just outside of a downtown core, it's not that uncommon. Cityplace Center in Dallas is probably the closest analogy to what's proposed. It's a 42 story office building (probably the same height as a 50 story residential building) that's located about a mile outside of the downtown cluster, and sits on a (underground) rail stop. It also towers over a freeway, and it's kind of a cool gateway into downtown when driving south on the 75. The Palmer tower would do the same thing, as it would sit pretty close to the 110 on the east side.
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Uh huh yeah whatever. But I'll let you be in denial.




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I'm not opposed to this Palmer tower if the design is good ("glass and steel" sounds promising, but I'll wait for a rendering) and they incorporate retail into the development. If you're going to plop 1,400 units into an area, you should support it with retail - the area could use more retail frankly.

As for towers existing just outside of a downtown core, it's not that uncommon. Cityplace Center in Dallas is probably the closest analogy to what's proposed. It's a 42 story office building (probably the same height as a 50 story residential building) that's located about a mile outside of the downtown cluster, and sits on a (underground) rail stop. It also towers over a freeway, and it's kind of a cool gateway into downtown when driving south on the 75. The Palmer tower would do the same thing, as it would sit pretty close to the 110 on the east side.

There's also the Citigroup Tower in Queens right outside Manhattan.


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BREAKING: Unstoppable Park Fifth Gets Entitled, Loan Commitment
Thursday, June 26, 2008, by jwilliams

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It's a tiny step for mankind, and a huge leap for Downtown. The attached presser (after the jump) announces that Park Fifth has received its entitlements and has a construction loan commitment from Beijing Construction Engineering Group (God bless you Chinese people). We know, we know. We can hardly believe it either. The 76-story mixed use project grows ever closer to actually breaking ground, at which point our head will spin around and fly off our body leading to our untimely death and burial under the building's cornerstone.

June 26, 2008


Dear Curbed,

Today is truly a RED LETTER DAY for Park Fifth. This is the day that ALL of our formal approvals from the City of Los Angeles are absolutely FINAL. Over the past three years, we have been through an extensive process that involved obtaining approvals from the Community Redevelopment Agency, Planning Department, City Council and Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

Many of these actions had appeal periods associated with them, but as of today, ALL of those appeal periods have expired. That makes it official: Park Fifth is FULLY ENTITLED and ready to move forward.


Approvals Bring Good News
These actions also finalize some very important aspects of Park Fifth:

1. We will fund almost $10 million toward the renovation and improvement of Pershing Square. This park is our front yard and we are committed to making it an attractive, open and friendly environment for the entire neighborhood.

2. From the outset, we have committed to making Park Fifth an environmentally sensitive project. As part of our approvals, Park Fifth will achieve the LEED Silver standard for Green Building or better.

3. Park Fifth will have a direct connection into an MTA station on the Red Line, which will provide our residents with access to the station without going outside.

Construction Lender

Park Fifth is pleased to announce that it has secured a construction loan commitment from Beijing Construction Engineering Group (BCEG). This international firm has an extensive background in large projects, having built many of the venues that you will soon see on TV for the upcoming Olympics. Most recently, they have come to the United States and are in the process of funding two large projects in Chicago, both of which involve hotels and residential condominium homes. That makes them the perfect fit for Park Fifth and their involvement will allow us to move forward with groundbreaking later this year. We will be working through all the details over the next several months and we are very pleased to have them on board.

As always, please feel free to call our Sales Office or make an appointment to visit so that we may answer any questions you may have.

Sincerely,

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^ That certainly is good news. Worthy of an OMFG, even. JDR, you may commence with the dancing smiley's, and I don't think it will bother anyone.

Methinks this might be the beginning of a second "boom", so to speak - foreign investment in American real estate while the dollar is weak. Makes for a better long term investment return when our real estate market rebounds.
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