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Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 9:00 PM
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According to THIS a new 180,000+ sq' office tower is planned at 275 2nd Ave, to be finished December 2010
According to this Colliers report, the downtown office projects we're currently aware of (275 Second, Lake Placid, Discovery, Rumley, Capitol 4, KG) will add a combined 399,000 sq. ft. of space to the downtown inventory. That's a 21% increase to the current total square footage of 1.93 million sq. ft. That's pretty impressive if you ask me!

My former preference would have been, given the choice, ONE 400,000 sq. ft. tower equating to 30+ floors rather than a handful of smaller scale projects (back when I was younger and dying for taller buildings in S'toon). However, I now favor the mix of smaller projects spread throughout the CBD that we're now seeing. These small projects will help add to the vibrancy in every corner of downtown, as well as (hopefully) contribute to a more pleasant human-scale urban environment.

And 275 Second Avenue, at a projected 12+ floors is an exciting "little biggie" that will help boost our skyline as well.

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I don't really understand why you would tear down a building when you have an empty lot to build on. And the buildings they plan to tear down are actually decent. The parkade on the other hand, which they regard as an incredible asset to the site, is a blight.
I share your feelings macca. While it would have been nice to see construction on some of downtown's larger surface lots first, I welcome this proposed development nonetheless.

I just wonder what this announcement will do to any plans underway for the parking lot on the south side of the Galaxy (assuming something is being planned for that site). If the owner of that property was planning office space I can bet this would put an end to that plan, at least in the short term. I don't want that lot sitting empty for a decade or more. Maybe they're trying to court reluctant Cameco? That would be a welcome upset for downtown.
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If the doesn't give it away, check post 4382 of this thread (posted by some guy who goes by SASKFTW).

The Sheraton is not coming down.
Well, okay, maybe the says something.

But, what about the post where acron confirms an earlier "short post" (which I assume to be the outlandish cameco/sheraton scenario)? So acron had one good tidbit of insider info and now he hopes to yank our collective chain?

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yes my friend, you can trust this is more than a rumor. my professional responsibility does not allow to provide anymore information. the same goes for my other short post.
We need answers acron!

I haven't noticed any action at the Sheraton...though I wasn't really looking for anything either.

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Hotel rooms trump apartments
Tenants seek new homes ahead of riverfront highrise's conversion to hotel suites
Lori Coolican, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, September 03, 2008

Residents of a downtown apartment building connected to the Sheraton Cavalier hotel have been told to start looking for new homes as the building's owner prepares to convert their suites into hotel rooms.

The occupants of 37 rental apartments in the Cavalier Tower on Spadina Crescent received notice of the conversion plan last week, said Paul Leier, CEO of Cavalier Enterprises, which owns the building and the hotel.

Leier said he personally went door-to-door in the building and managed to speak face-to-face with about 70 per cent of the tenants. Many are elderly and several have lived in the building for decades, enjoying its proximity to services in the downtown area.

The family of one tenant says the conversion is an example of the rich getting richer at the expense of people with limited means.

But Leier says the company is doing what it can for its tenants.

"It hasn't been a tough business decision, given what's going on in the city right now -- but it was a tough decision because we know there is going to be some inconvenience to our tenants. So we wanted to make sure that we came up with a really good plan to hopefully minimize any disruption they're going to have."

The company began preparing for the conversion more than a year ago. During that time it has not been re-renting units that became vacant as tenants chose to move out, Leier said. The company has put together a comprehensive plan to help the remaining residents in the 50-suite building find new homes, he added.

The apartment building conversion will coincide with major renovations at the Sheraton Cavalier, adding up to a $10-million investment, Leier said.

The conversion project will entail basically stripping the Cavalier Tower down to its concrete skeleton, and replacing the mechanical systems, elevators and even the windows, he noted. The end result will be about 50 large new hotel rooms -- most of them two-bedroom suites.

"Basically it's going to be a new hotel and we think it's going to be a great hotel, quite honestly. We don't think there's a better location in the city . . . and 60 per cent of the rooms will have a river view," Leier said.

"The market has really grown here. The provincial economy has been so strong -- and the Saskatoon economy -- over the last two years, that we really feel this is the right time for us to do this. We believe it will be the finest hotel in the province."

Saskatoon is on the verge of a wave of hotel construction that could add more than 500 rooms to the city's existing inventory of about 3,300.

Alberta-based Lake Placid Developments is about to begin work on a 12-storey hotel at River Landing this fall, and a full-service Holiday Inn Hotel and Suites is slated for the old Pacific Cinema site downtown.

Developers have also expressed interest in building hotels in the city's south end near the new Stonebridge subdivision, as well as the University of Saskatchewan campus.

"The market is busy," said Sheraton Cavalier manager Dale Grant, who is also president of the Saskatoon Hotels Association.

"I don't know if I would say there's a shortage (of hotel rooms), but I would say that we feel pretty confident that the (Cavalier Tower) conversion . . . is something that we'll be able to effectively sell still."

Saskatoon's tight housing market has been steadily pushing up the cost of rental accommodations all over the city for more than two years, with the highest prices typically found in the downtown area.

In an e-mail to The StarPhoenix this week, a woman whose parents have lived in Cavalier Towers for many years said the hotel conversion benefits a wealthy owner while leaving those on fixed incomes scrambling.

Downtown apartments with similar amenities -- a quiet atmosphere, air conditioning and elevators -- now cost up to $1,400 a month, if you can find one, she wrote.

"That is just awful (that) at this stage of their lives they have to be uprooted and have to pay such high prices, which many cannot afford."

Fred Schitka, a working senior who lives in the building with his wife, said news of the owner's conversion plans was no surprise for most tenants in light of the current real estate market, "but nobody expected it would come that quick."

He said he was lucky to find an impending vacancy at another downtown highrise right away, but many of his neighbours have been searching daily without success.

Leier said the hotel conversion will start this November and proceed in stages, starting with the lower floors.

Any tenants on those floors who have not been able to find new homes by then will be able to move up into vacant suites on the higher floors, so no one will be forced to leave for at least six months, he added.

The company also intends to pay for tenants' moving expenses, Leier said.

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Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 9:42 PM
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i like it, it truely be nice if it reaches 15 stories but i wont complain
it will be a good assest to our downtown, i just pray something will be done to the parkade, its hideous
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[...]

Saskatoon's urban evolution
How have we done so far? Where do we go from here?
The StarPhoenixJanuary 29, 2009

EDITOR'S NOTE: Saskatoon is at a critical point in its evolution.

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With 225,000 residents, Saskatoon's population is about where Calgary's was in 1959, so where better to turn for an outside perspective on our rapidly growing city than from an urban specialist from Calgary, a city that has already faced many of the issues that lie ahead for us.


[...]

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I enjoyed that statement, simply for the truth of it.

I've been thinking about embarking on a urban growth analysis through a multi-decade comparison of the 5 Prairie cities to perhaps understand and predict how Saskatoon and Regina may develop into the future (as they are still small cities).

I am primarily interested in changes to occupied land area, total population, density, and changes in pop. density within specific census tracts (inner city vs. suburban).

I have not yet begun my search, and I expect it will take some time before I've compiled all the data into something understandable and presentable (for SSP members).
     
     
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Centre Mall

I've gone through the last few pages and haven't seen what I'm looking for. Maybe I missed talk about this, but can anyone tell me what is happening at the Centre Mall? The old Zeller's location on the west side of the mall has been demolished for, I'm guessing, some new development. Is this going to be an extension of the mall with several new stores or is it a single store going in there?
     
     
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I've gone through the last few pages and haven't seen what I'm looking for. Maybe I missed talk about this, but can anyone tell me what is happening at the Centre Mall? The old Zeller's location on the west side of the mall has been demolished for, I'm guessing, some new development. Is this going to be an extension of the mall with several new stores or is it a single store going in there?
Demolished? So a gap between Safeway and the mall? That's very odd...
     
     
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Yup, a complete empty gap. I'm assuming its going to get filled with something -- the question is what.
     
     
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Yup, a complete empty gap. I'm assuming its going to get filled with something -- the question is what.
Perhaps more parking?
     
     
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Word has it that a free standing Best Buy store is being built in that spot (Circle Park Mall)
     
     
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Word has it that a free standing Best Buy store is being built in that spot (Circle Park Mall)
Best Buy eh? Seems like a waste to demolish the former Zellers...I'm sure they (mall owners/tenants) have their reasons.
     
     
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Well, okay, maybe the says something.

But, what about the post where acron confirms an earlier "short post" (which I assume to be the outlandish cameco/sheraton scenario)? So acron had one good tidbit of insider info and now he hopes to yank our collective chain?



We need answers acron!

I haven't noticed any action at the Sheraton...though I wasn't really looking for anything either.
i do not work for cameco or for sheraton, and i am not involved with city planning... it may all be speculation
i regret getting people overly excited ... maybe the they will knock down the big ugly building beside the sheraton??

we all dance around and suppose, while the secret sits in the middle and knows
     
     
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Well today has been a productive day on the Saskatoon construction front. I think the office tower will be a fantastic addition to the city and will help establish the riverlanding and south downtown. It's probably a bit late to post but I came up with a few things I think the city should consider implementing to help create a vibrant, highly desirable city core (it's a pretty big list):
- rezone ALL of downtown so no surface parking can exist (complete waste of space)
- the already mentioned green philosophy
-aim to have a 20 000+ population living downtown
-double the amount of nightclubs/lounges in the area, the downtown should be just as busy during the night as the day
-from the midtown to the bess. on every street corner along 21 there should be some interpretive art, this will help get pedestrians out as well as beautify the area
-define entrances for the d/t (25th and idylwyld for the north, 22 and idylwyld for the west, sid buckwold bridge for the south and college for the east)
-unify the entire d/t streetscape, 25th street is a great example, old style black street lamps with lots of greenery, this should be implemented throughout all of downtown
- build medians like the 25th street one along 3rd ave, 1st ave, 22nd and idylwyld
- Like Saskatoons hub and spoke road system, we should adopt something similar for the downtown, with the core being the hub and 20th, 22nd, idylwyld, college and broadway being the spokes, with the same downtown vibe leaking into these areas, drawing people into the centre
-once the south bridge is completed the intersection of 22nd and idylwyld should be upgraded to a 3-5 lane traffic circle, with semis out of the way, traffic will flow more easily and have less congestion, as well a nice fountain in the centre would help secure this as a main entry point to the downtown
- define an identity for the city, Vancouver has healthy living, Calgary has coroporate, TO has global city status and Montreal is about the arts and culture, Saskatoon could adopt a hybrid of arts and science which would help secure our image in the tourism industry
-the amount of trees should be doubled within the downtown area to really create an urban "playground" feel
-build some version of the whitewater rapids along the weir

I feel if the city thought on a large scale like this, Saskatoon's downtown could be transformed into one of the most beautiful in Canada and North America for that matter. I don't think buildings taller then 40 stories should be built, yet, we are not at that capacity and there is something comforting and inviting about the charm of a lower skyline with great architectural features.
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great ideas other than the traffic circle, large ones r well known for lots of accidents( city learned hard way with 8th street) i think a large fountain shooting right out of the river would be more unique
mabey like this in a way
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I don't have to much knowledge on traffic circles, i just know something needs to be done at that intersection. That would be a magnificent feature along the river, perhaps behind the bess., rather then the islands we can have a river of fountains. Do you think construction will start on the riverlanding fountains, there are supposed to be a few in the river.
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i do not work for cameco or for sheraton, and i am not involved with city planning... it may all be speculation
i regret getting people overly excited ... maybe the they will knock down the big ugly building beside the sheraton??

we all dance around and suppose, while the secret sits in the middle and knows
did you just come up with that on the spot? I hope you hang around more often

EDIT: I googled it...Robert Frost...cool

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Great post kgc087.

I find your idea of a traffic circle and large fountain for 22nd and Idylwyld very South American/European...although I'm not sure how it would function during the winter months (perhaps shut the water flow off and light up the sculpture/architectural lines of the fountain).

We're certainly missing a grand boulevard...many believe the 3rd Ave. revamp will address that deficiency.

More people. More places. More trees. More medians...no more parking lots
Downtown entrances need work. The east and south entrances are on their way. The west and north need some TLC.

I disagree with you on the unifying d/t streetscapes. I prefer variety, and our downtown can support a good variety of color, materials, and design (we have both old and new buildings).

As for skyline composition, I'm cool with shorter buildings as long as they are done right at the street level (likely an easier feat to accomplish as oppose to making an overbearing 40+). The impact of taller towers on the overall atmosphere really depends on the distribution of towers throughout the downtown. Although developers might be restricted due to adjacent single family homes (this is where upzoning/progressive policies are key).

With that said, I'd still prefer a few tall boys to break up the consistency of our mid-rise density.

Also, we really need to work on improving the downtown for the winter months. That means more color/art, heated bus shelters, maybe heated sidewalks to ensure an ice free surface (is that too wasteful???). I'm sure there are other things calling for improvement.


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Well today has been a productive day on the Saskatoon construction front. I think the office tower will be a fantastic addition to the city and will help establish the riverlanding and south downtown. It's probably a bit late to post but I came up with a few things I think the city should consider implementing to help create a vibrant, highly desirable city core (it's a pretty big list):
- rezone ALL of downtown so no surface parking can exist (complete waste of space)
- the already mentioned green philosophy
-aim to have a 20 000+ population living downtown
-double the amount of nightclubs/lounges in the area, the downtown should be just as busy during the night as the day
-from the midtown to the bess. on every street corner along 21 there should be some interpretive art, this will help get pedestrians out as well as beautify the area
-define entrances for the d/t (25th and idylwyld for the north, 22 and idylwyld for the west, sid buckwold bridge for the south and college for the east)
-unify the entire d/t streetscape, 25th street is a great example, old style black street lamps with lots of greenery, this should be implemented throughout all of downtown
- build medians like the 25th street one along 3rd ave, 1st ave, 22nd and idylwyld
- Like Saskatoons hub and spoke road system, we should adopt something similar for the downtown, with the core being the hub and 20th, 22nd, idylwyld, college and broadway being the spokes, with the same downtown vibe leaking into these areas, drawing people into the centre
-once the south bridge is completed the intersection of 22nd and idylwyld should be upgraded to a 3-5 lane traffic circle, with semis out of the way, traffic will flow more easily and have less congestion, as well a nice fountain in the centre would help secure this as a main entry point to the downtown
- define an identity for the city, Vancouver has healthy living, Calgary has coroporate, TO has global city status and Montreal is about the arts and culture, Saskatoon could adopt a hybrid of arts and science which would help secure our image in the tourism industry
-the amount of trees should be doubled within the downtown area to really create an urban "playground" feel
-build some version of the whitewater rapids along the weir

I feel if the city thought on a large scale like this, Saskatoon's downtown could be transformed into one of the most beautiful in Canada and North America for that matter. I don't think buildings taller then 40 stories should be built, yet, we are not at that capacity and there is something comforting and inviting about the charm of a lower skyline with great architectural features.
     
     
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It would be cool to see the purple glass blocks revamped and lit up at night, that would REALLY be a signature for the city. Glowing sidewalks in an urban forest, combined with street art and river fountains. I think that would create a VERY unique identity for the city that would be recognisable across Canada. A great blend of science and creativity.
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Very creative ideas, kgc087.

While we're on the subject of a "wish list" for downtown, I've always wondered what 21st Street would be like as a pedestrian mall. The street is already quite pedestrian friendly with an inviting streetscape, seating areas, art installations, etc. It currently does not function at all as a through route for downtown traffic (nor is it intended to be). Instead, the only thing it offers drivers is its angle parking in close proximity to nearby businesses.

As a pedestrian mall, I can imagine the street having decorative paving stones, art installments and a large water fountain (thanks for the inspiration kgc). Traffic on intersecting avenues would still be allowed to pass through, but on the blocks in between there would be ample room for outdoor patios and performance space. Scarth Street in Regina can be used for reference. The transformation would not be difficult, the street already has an abundance of trees, character lighting and street furniture, as well as popular stores, restaurants and bars.


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A pedestrian mall for 21st would undoubtedly meet fierce opposition due to the removal of all that angle parking. Some residents and local business owners alike would fight it. But that's where other solutions can come into play: a municipally built and owned parkade nearby? new private sector developments meeting demand with ample U/G parking?

Whether the idea is realistic or not, it's still nice to think about spending a warm summer evening on a patio on 21st, surrounded by people and character and the beautiful Bessborough framing the street's east end (a similar impression is provided by the Freehouse's patio of course).

Any thoughts?
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Very creative ideas, kgc087.

While we're on the subject of a "wish list" for downtown, I've always wondered what 21st Street would be like as a pedestrian mall. The street is already quite pedestrian friendly with an inviting streetscape, seating areas, art installations, etc. It currently does not function at all as a through route for downtown traffic (nor is it intended to be). Instead, the only thing it offers drivers is its angle parking in close proximity to nearby businesses.

As a pedestrian mall, I can imagine the street having decorative paving stones, art installments and a large water fountain (thanks for the inspiration kgc). Traffic on intersecting avenues would still be allowed to pass through, but on the blocks in between there would be ample room for outdoor patios and performance space. Scarth Street in Regina can be used for reference. The transformation would not be difficult, the street already has an abundance of trees, character lighting and street furniture, as well as popular stores, restaurants and bars.


Photo credit: me

A pedestrian mall for 21st would undoubtedly meet fierce opposition due to the removal of all that angle parking. Some residents and local business owners alike would fight it. But that's where other solutions can come into play: a municipally built and owned parkade nearby? new private sector developments meeting demand with ample U/G parking?

Whether the idea is realistic or not, it's still nice to think about spending a warm summer evening on a patio on 21st, surrounded by people and character and the beautiful Bessborough framing the street's east end (a similar impression is provided by the Freehouse's patio of course).

Any thoughts?
I personally love this idea. I lived in calgary for the past year and half as you probably all know already and stephen Ave. is a HUGE success. The patios during lunch hours and dinner time are PACKED and it has such a fantastic energy, people want to be there and love to be there, perhaps since we are mainly winter we could do pedestrian in spring and summer early fall and parking through the winter, since people will appreciate the closer stalls. That would probably get a better reaction. Maybe you shoudl respond to the Urban playground article with that idea for public input
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Demolished? So a gap between Safeway and the mall? That's very odd...

Changes At Saskatoon Mall
The Centre finally doing something with old Zellers

Reported By Joe Hoover
Posted January 29, 2009 - 9:35pm
It's been nearly three years since the Zellers at Saskatoon's Centre Mall was open.

Now there's finally something being done with the 75, 000 square feet of empty space. The Mall's General Manager David Bubnick, says crews are in the midst of demolishing the site. It will be split up to accomodate a couple of new tenants.

Phase One of the renovations will be a 26, 000 square foot retail outlet. That's as much as Bubnick can divulge.

"The tenant will announce themselves to the market," Bubnick explains. "They're hoping to be open fall of '09."

Phase Two of the Zellers makeover will measure roughly 27, 000 square feet. The remaining space will be turned into additional parking.

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