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Old Posted Aug 22, 2010, 6:23 AM
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Hard to say without really knowing the amount driving/connecting in Calgary. I do not know anyone that will transfer there, I think the message is slowly getting through.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2010, 1:31 PM
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Moving connecting passengers won't really be revealed in the stats, unless you're converting domestic to transborder or international. As for driving, I don't think you'll ever be able to get reliable stats to figure out what the number is.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2010, 9:18 PM
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^I think there are alot more people getting the message about not driving to YYC if they don't have to. To say the marketing blitz was a failure is premature imo.
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2010, 10:52 PM
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I think the fact that EAA is doing it, and is showing the airlines that they are serious and aggressive about it says something in itself.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2010, 5:49 AM
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i have no clue about airline economics but even if eia is successful in their quest, wont the fact that yyc is the hub for 2 airlines always work against edmonton?
i mean, even if all the ppl that drive to yyc used yeg, just what kind of improvements would occir?
maybe a couple euro nonstops, a couple US ones, or just increased frequency to canada's bigger 'hub' airports?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2010, 6:08 AM
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Anyone here 'in the know'? What are all the earthworks taking place down by the Fedex ramp for? I've heard that Fedex wanted more space but 'a little' is not how I would describe the amount of dirt/space being plowed...

Its to expand the exsisting ramp for FedEx,the airline is now operating a 5x weekly flight from Memphis (fedex super hub) with a 757 and the FedEx ''feeder'' flights (operated by Morningstar) are now also using newly delivered 757's in place of the old 727's that are now being withdrawn from service.There is also ''talk'' of FedEx feeder service to Grande Prarie and Ft.Mcmurray using Caravan freighters in the near future.
     
     
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July - a little disappointing, but considering that the trend this year is to vacation near home I think we can say those are respectable.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2010, 4:02 PM
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Moving connecting passengers won't really be revealed in the stats, unless you're converting domestic to transborder or international. As for driving, I don't think you'll ever be able to get reliable stats to figure out what the number is.
they might not be "publicly accessible" numbers but both iata and the individual airlines have a pretty good idea of the home address of everyone on every one of their flights. as the tv show used to say, "the truth is out there".
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2010, 4:32 PM
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i have no clue about airline economics but even if eia is successful in their quest, wont the fact that yyc is the hub for 2 airlines always work against edmonton?
i mean, even if all the ppl that drive to yyc used yeg, just what kind of improvements would occir?
maybe a couple euro nonstops, a couple US ones, or just increased frequency to canada's bigger 'hub' airports?

I think that EIA has been very successful in its quest to inform the citizens of metro Edmonton to Fly Edmonton First. The idea of utilizing the existing routes and flying any new ones to ensure that direct service is maintained should be a continued strategy because, yes, the hub system is with us to stay. That being said, I do not think that there is a huge amount of people driving to Calgary in the first place. The issue is more of connecting through Calgary versus connecting through somewhere else if you can do it. I gladly take a potential longer route through Toronto or Vancouver if I need to and not use Calgary connections. But sometimes it is unavoidable. For example, I am flying with friends to LAX on Labor Day weekend. The price through Calgary at the time we booked was a low $69 on Westjet. Although we are flying direct on the way back, we could not justify the extra cost of 4 people to fly direct on the way down as the sales price heading down was not available.

As for driving, cost and then convenience and safety are the three factors that would be considered the most. As for cost, the price of the gas, wear and tear on the car and parking would make driving to Calgary usually not that appealing verus flying. Maybe if you have a group of people but even then I would think that it does not happen that often. I would think most elderly people, for example, would not even consider driving to Calgary as the extra three hours on the road is pretty daunting. And for, say, a family of 4 with little kids, I doubt that they would be driving as well. I have considered driving down in situations where I see a really great deal on a flight to Europe, for example. However, after considering all the costs and usually having really bad arrival and departure times that warrant hotel stays on one or both ends of the trip, it is not really feasible most of the time. In my mind, not many people would want to arrive late at night after a long flight and then pack up for a long three hours drive back to Edmonton. And I have not even factored in the potential effects of winter driving.

On a positive note, it is good to see that Westjet is opening new routes out of Edmonton each year. I am encouraged when I see that they have added Edmonton-Orlando to their winter schedule. And it is also good to see that Westjet is not afraid to route passengers from Vancouver, Abbotsford, Regina and Saskatoon through Edmonton and onward to Orlando. And based on my recent search, they were providing a slight price incentive versus flying through Toronto. A double win as the passenger saves a bit on the basic airfare and also saves on the airport fees as they bypass Toronto's airport usage fee.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2010, 11:08 PM
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There is also ''talk'' of FedEx feeder service to Grande Prarie and Ft.Mcmurray using Caravan freighters in the near future.
Thanks tuffyy. I noticed right away when Morningstar got their first 57's. Probably save a ton (pun intended) in fuel. Feeders to points North would be a good start. YEG is so underutilized in that regard. Hopefully, it would open the door to more.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2010, 11:15 PM
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I think that EIA has been very successful in its quest to inform the citizens of metro Edmonton to Fly Edmonton First. The idea of utilizing the existing routes and flying any new ones to ensure that direct service is maintained should be a continued strategy because, yes, the hub system is with us to stay. That being said, I do not think that there is a huge amount of people driving to Calgary in the first place. The issue is more of connecting through Calgary versus connecting through somewhere else if you can do it. I gladly take a potential longer route through Toronto or Vancouver if I need to and not use Calgary connections. But sometimes it is unavoidable. For example, I am flying with friends to LAX on Labor Day weekend. The price through Calgary at the time we booked was a low $69 on Westjet. Although we are flying direct on the way back, we could not justify the extra cost of 4 people to fly direct on the way down as the sales price heading down was not available.

As for driving, cost and then convenience and safety are the three factors that would be considered the most. As for cost, the price of the gas, wear and tear on the car and parking would make driving to Calgary usually not that appealing verus flying. Maybe if you have a group of people but even then I would think that it does not happen that often. I would think most elderly people, for example, would not even consider driving to Calgary as the extra three hours on the road is pretty daunting. And for, say, a family of 4 with little kids, I doubt that they would be driving as well. I have considered driving down in situations where I see a really great deal on a flight to Europe, for example. However, after considering all the costs and usually having really bad arrival and departure times that warrant hotel stays on one or both ends of the trip, it is not really feasible most of the time. In my mind, not many people would want to arrive late at night after a long flight and then pack up for a long three hours drive back to Edmonton. And I have not even factored in the potential effects of winter driving.

On a positive note, it is good to see that Westjet is opening new routes out of Edmonton each year. I am encouraged when I see that they have added Edmonton-Orlando to their winter schedule. And it is also good to see that Westjet is not afraid to route passengers from Vancouver, Abbotsford, Regina and Saskatoon through Edmonton and onward to Orlando. And based on my recent search, they were providing a slight price incentive versus flying through Toronto. A double win as the passenger saves a bit on the basic airfare and also saves on the airport fees as they bypass Toronto's airport usage fee.
whoa, thanks for the reply!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2010, 3:24 PM
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Transit from Leduc to Edmonton

Not sure if I caught all the details correctly but on the news last night they were saying that ETS's application for bus service to Leduc and EIA was deferred because someone is opposing the application and they are hoping to have the application approved by the end of September.

I suppose this for the limited Leduc service to Edmonton? Any one with more details?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2010, 4:29 PM
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I heard it was Greyhound launching the appeal.

This is ridiculous. Who's in charge of Metro Edmonton transportation these days - Greyhound and the cab drivers?
     
     
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Diversified will have a large number of buses available now since Scotford is winding up.

But its probably someone with EnviED ties
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Diversified will have a large number of buses available now since Scotford is winding up.

But its probably someone with EnviED ties
Greyhound is Calgary based...need we say more?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2010, 9:18 PM
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Condor chooses YYC vs YEG

Condor is returning to YYC Summer 2011 with 2 weekly flights.

All these efforts to attract new flights to EIA.... tell me how this is working.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2010, 10:31 PM
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Aren't Condor flights in Canada booked using with Thomas Cook?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2010, 12:42 AM
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"On 10 February 2008, Thomas Cook confirmed it would buy Lufthansa's 24.9% stake in the airline, exercising an option agreed in 2007. The takeover, at a cash price of 77.19 million euros (£68 million), will give the Thomas Cook Group sole ownership of Condor, ending 48 years of Lufthansa involvement in Germany's biggest charter carrier.[7]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condor_Flugdienst

Condor website shows YEG to LGW via Condor (Thomas Cook)

JohnnyAussie apparently has seen a post on airlines.net - the ONLY post anywhere on Google that mentions Condon flying charter YYC to FRA. Nothing on Thomas Cook or Condor. JohnnyAussie the shrill that he is grasps for any straw to paint a negative picture of Edmonton and YEG. Pathetic posting really...what kind of a life does this person have...really. Condor to YYC could be GREAT news for us at YEG as AC will need to ensure traffic does not flow from Edmonton to YYC Calgary feeding Condor. Just saying...

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4909731/1/

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Old Posted Aug 26, 2010, 1:00 AM
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Well, Canadians can't book on Condor right? Canadians have to book on the Canadian operated (by Jazz) Thomas Cook. That is the rules for charter service no?
     
     
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