YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by deasine

Keep in mind though that DL and KE aren't on the greatest terms (no presence of an Asian JV, little flight/timing cooperations between DL/KE, many restrictions/exceptions for SkyTeam Elite Plus members travelling on KE, etc.).

Update: to further prove my point, look at this recent announcement: http://boardingarea.com/pointsmilesandma...changes-to-partnership-codeshare-flights

Very interesting. Which is why Delta flying to ICN makes all the more sense. KE looks like it might consider joining OneWorld.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Very interesting. Which is why Delta flying to ICN makes all the more sense. KE looks like it might consider joining OneWorld.

I could not find that statement in the article. Where is it mentioned, please? Or did you learn that elsewhere?

[Spork]

Although this isn't the place for highlighting deals, I believe that the recent large expansion by a number of Asian airlines discussed in this thread has likely prompted this move by Air Canada: $739 flights (return) to Shanghai/Beijing.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Very interesting. Which is why Delta flying to ICN makes all the more sense. KE looks like it might consider joining OneWorld.

According to a recent announcement, it was apparently "a technical error" on Delta's part. However, they mentioned that their codeshare agreements only go up to mid-year 2014, which is approximately when DL will be launching their new Asia services.

All of KEs moves towards oneworld have been rumors and there's really no conclusive evidence. That being said, KE does have some notable partnerships with oneworld airlines, i.e. JL and their business structure/style of working independently seems to fit with the culture of oneworld.

[twoNeurons]

Yep. Everything's rumours at this point. OneWorld is definitely seen as a smaller more exclusive club, though... BA, JAL, Qantas, AA and Cathay.

JAL would likely form some barriers for KE, though... given that they're trying to make Tokyo-Haneda the Hub of Asia to compete with ICN.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Yep. Everything's rumours at this point. OneWorld is definitely seen as a smaller more exclusive club, though... BA, JAL, Qantas, AA and Cathay.

JAL would likely form some barriers for KE, though... given that they're trying to make Tokyo-Haneda the Hub of Asia to compete with ICN.

JL and KE have reciprocal codeshare agreements and while they may be geographic competitors, they both have very different strategies in expanding internationally.

[Johnny Aussie]

AC is in the middle of updating the winter scheds.

Definitely not finalised yet but so far the following are some significant changes from last winter:

YYZ will have 2-3 daily 77W along with the daily 77L. So depending on the day of the week 3 or 4 daily 777.

YUL's morning flight is being upgauged to a 333.

YWG back to 3 daily compared to 2 last winter.

YXY going mainline 2 daily E90. Up from 3 daily CRJ last winter.

YMM up to 2 daily from 1.

YXT up to 4 daily from 3.

LAX's first morning flight being upguaged to a 320.

YXJ and YXS are losing a daily rotation each but DH4's replacing the CRJ action, so capacity on both routes higher.

That's it for now.

[Vanzunator]

according to airlineroutes.net, we will see Lufthansa 747-400 at YVR 29Jan14 to 29MAR14, this is a great capacity increase over the typical winder A340-300.

Frankfurt – Vancouver Airbus A340-300 operation in Winter 2012/13 season replaced by following:
27OCT13 – 28JAN14 Airbus A340-600
29JAN14 – 29MAR14 Boeing 747-400 (NEW Adjustment)

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Vanzunator

according to airlineroutes.net, we will see Lufthansa 747-400 at YVR 29Jan14 to 29MAR14, this is a great capacity increase over the typical winder A340-300.

Frankfurt – Vancouver Airbus A340-300 operation in Winter 2012/13 season replaced by following:
27OCT13 – 28JAN14 Airbus A340-600
29JAN14 – 29MAR14 Boeing 747-400 (NEW Adjustment)

I reported that on Aug 22 re: B744 and the upgauging of the 343 to the 346 ages ago. Sometimes (very rarely) I beat him to the punch. :-)

[Johnny Aussie]

http://www.icelandair.us/information/med...elandair_announces_growth_plans_for_2014

Effective 13 May 2014 new twice weekly seasonal YVR-KEF service on 757-200.

Flights to operate Mondays and Wednesdays through mid October.
Flights from KEF-YVR will operate Tuesdays and Sundays though. Like Seattle, the planes will sit on the ground in YVR for about 23 hours.

This is in addition to the much-hyped new service from YEG.

In typical YVRAA fashion, not a peep out of them. Ha!

Still good news for another option YVR-Europe. Trofirhen was I right? :-)

[deasine]

Beat me to it haha!

[Denscity]

I wonder if the YVR Iceland Air new addition was either considered no big deal or they just wanted to keep it a secret? Another international carrier to a new city and new connections is great news I think.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Denscity

I wonder if the YVR Iceland Air new addition was either considered no big deal or they just wanted to keep it a secret? Another international carrier to a new city and new connections is great news I think.

I think the YVRAA just isn't as quick to the mark to release press items. I recall the China Southern and Sichuan announcements took awhile to get mentioned.

YEG on the other hand pre-empts by announcing the official announcement in advance. Obviously it is a much bigger event there as this will be a huge boost to their options to Europe.

Next summer YVR will have 9 airlines flying to 10 European airports non-stop.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

I think the YVRAA just isn't as quick to the mark to release press items. I recall the China Southern and Sichuan announcements took awhile to get mentioned.

YEG on the other hand pre-empts by announcing the official announcement in advance. Obviously it is a much bigger event there as this will be a huge boost to their options to Europe.

[B]Next summer YVR will have 9 airlines flying to 10 European airports non-stop.

That's pretty impressive!

[Kapten]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Next summer YVR will have 9 airlines flying to 10 European airports non-stop.

Here are the airlines/destinations that I know of:
Air Canada - London Heathrow
British Airways - London Heathrow
Virgin- London Heathrow
Edelweiss - Zurich
Lufthansa - Munich + Frankfurt
KLM- Amsterdam
Iceland Air - Reykjavik
Air Transat- Glasgow + Manchester + London Gatwick + Paris

That makes 10 airports but only 8 airlines. Which carrier did I miss...?

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Kapten

Here are the airlines/destinations that I know of:
Air Canada - London Heathrow
British Airways - London Heathrow
Virgin- London Heathrow
Edelweiss - Zurich
Lufthansa - Munich + Frankfurt
KLM- Amsterdam
Iceland Air - Reykjavik
Air Transat- Glasgow + Manchester + London Gatwick + Paris

That makes 10 airports but only 8 airlines. Which carrier did I miss...?

Condor to FRA 4 x per week

Air Transat also AMS and FRA as well

[Klazu]

That Icelandair news is great and exactly what I have been hoping to happen! I will definitely try that in April, when I will be heading to Iceland!

[mezzanine]

Great news about icelandair!

it looks like they don't belong to any airline alliance. anyone know if they integrate with star alliance in a modest way?

[deasine]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

Great news about icelandair!

it looks like they don't belong to any airline alliance. anyone know if they integrate with star alliance in a modest way?

Their business structure does not fit into any alliance network and they don't seem to have any interest in joining an alliance let alone Star.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Condor to FRA 4 x per week

Air Transat also AMS and FRA as well

Edelweiss?