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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 8:57 PM
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Or perhaps, put an area denial device like tire spikes at the portal that can retract when a train comes by?
That'd work, but then you'd have to get the dipstick's wrecked car out of the way in time for the next train.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 9:02 PM
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That'd work, but then you'd have to get the dipstick's wrecked car out of the way in time for the next train.
I can’t imagine all of the ICBC claims happening when the LRT starts running in Surrey.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 9:45 PM
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I can’t imagine all of the ICBC claims happening when the LRT starts running in Surrey.
*If* the L line ends up being LRT and *if* they keep it on King George (instead of moving it over to City Pkwy) then it would only have one corner to deal with. It'll be a mess, but at least it would only be one corner mess.

The other problem is whether or not they decide to have any kind of barricades - initially they said no, more recently they've said yes, so I'll believe it when I see it. Them trying to save money and value engineering that out would not surprise me.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 9:51 PM
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How Much is the Surrey LRT Going to Cost Anyway?

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The final cost of the Surrey Light Rail Transit project has not been released to the public. This is because the cost is dependent on when construction will actually take place—a topic still being debated—and is dependent on the value of the land that it will be built on.

The cost of property is always climbing in a rapidly growing area like Surrey, which is estimated to have 300,000 new residents over the next 30 years, according to the City of Surrey website. With the value of land increasing as more and more people need space to live in, the cost of building the LRT can only go up.

In 2014, the cost was estimated at $2.14 billion. As of 2016 it was $2.6 billion. Now, in 2018, the public seems to have no real idea of the cost of construction alone, not including operating costs or the cost of potential accidents. Without being able to accurately say whether or not light rail will be worth its dollar value, those of us living in the Lower Mainland ought to give the project another look.

Light Rail Transit is, to some, a really expensive B-line. They go approximately 30 kilometers per hour, obstruct traffic, and don’t provide an option for commuters that’s any significant improvement on driving. With most residents in Surrey already preferring to drive rather than take public transit, and 300,000 new residents expected to arrive in the next few decades, just imagine the traffic—and all of the emissions those vehicles will produce.

To anyone who needs to get from point A to point B, and doesn’t have a car or a driver’s license to help them get there, it’s clear that Surrey needs a reliable transit system. The LRT, however, might not provide enough transportation to be worth the trouble. The current plan for the project provides no service to South Surrey or White Rock and hardly takes into account the effects of construction on already chaotic streets like 104 Avenue.

The LRT is said to have a higher capacity than SkyTrains in the area, which would be great if drivers were interested in switching over to public transit, but that option is only worthwhile if the LRT could get them to work faster at peak times than driving does.

Many Surrey SkyTrain naysayers look to the Canada Line as a “White Elephant,” being a project that costs too much and doesn’t provide enough help to warrant the price tag. They think an extension of the Expo Line into Surrey would be the same.

I disagree. If you have ever had to take a SkyTrain back to Surrey, you know that enough people are on that thing to support an extension of any kind. SkyTrain, LRT, or otherwise, Surrey is going to need something to transport its citizens, and fast.

A judgement of the LRT project cannot be accurately made, however, without a proper analysis of the overall cost, which should be accurately estimated and released to the public. This is a democracy, after all, and the public deserves to be informed.

Regardless of your stance on the project, it’s kind of sketchy that nobody seems to know just how expensive this is going to be.
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http://runnermag.ca/2018/03/how-much-is-the-surrey-lrt-going-to-cost-anyway/
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2018, 10:08 PM
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*If* the L line ends up being LRT and *if* they keep it on King George (instead of moving it over to City Pkwy) then it would only have one corner to deal with.
Fraser Hwy on the other hand...
     
     
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How Much is the Surrey LRT Going to Cost Anyway?

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http://runnermag.ca/2018/03/how-much-is-the-surrey-lrt-going-to-cost-anyway/
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The LRT is said to have a higher capacity than SkyTrains in the area, which would be great if drivers were interested in switching over to public transit, but that option is only worthwhile if the LRT could get them to work faster at peak times than driving does.
Wait, what?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 5:56 PM
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The LRT is said to have a higher capacity than SkyTrains in the area, which would be great if drivers were interested in switching over to public transit, but that option is only worthwhile if the LRT could get them to work faster at peak times than driving does.
Wait, what?
It was probably said by Michael Mielke.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 6:47 PM
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To be fair, the capacity of the skytrain in Surrey is going to be constrained by being a branch line. Currently half a off-peak and 2/3 of peak trains go to Surrey (10-20 trains per hour). Supposing that we peak out at 40 trains per hour sustained on the main line, that gives us 26 trains per hour in Surrey, capacity for....16,000 people per hour.

Those are gonna have to be some mighty big light rail trains
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 9:25 PM
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To be fair, the capacity of the skytrain in Surrey is going to be constrained by being a branch line. Currently half a off-peak and 2/3 of peak trains go to Surrey (10-20 trains per hour). Supposing that we peak out at 40 trains per hour sustained on the main line, that gives us 26 trains per hour in Surrey, capacity for....16,000 people per hour.

Those are gonna have to be some mighty big light rail trains
Any time I drive past a 96 B line, it is half empty. The Vanity LRT project should easily be able to handle half-full B line buses. Anything other than an extension of the Expo line going east into Langley is a huge waste of money. Who wants to have to switch trains at KG just to get home going east or west? Imagine sports fans or others from the east trying to get downtown on transit. Sorry folks, everyone off the LRT at KG. You need to hop aboard the faster Skytrain to continue your journey.

Anyway, that debate is decades away when the real money is asked for.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 9:53 PM
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It was probably said by Michael Mielke.
trump has made it easy to say anything you want - why the need for facts?


and if you say a lie often enough, some people will believe it instead of the facts
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 9:56 PM
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Very true. I miss the old days when lies had to contain at least PART of the truth...
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 10:11 PM
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I agree. I facepalm when I hear LRTers (too lazy to say the whole thing) calling SkyTrain proprietary and expensive without ANY facts; they just pull them out of their rear.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2018, 10:20 PM
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...that debate is decades away when the real money is asked for.
There is “real money” being asked—and given by the NDP—for the Surrey LRT, it’s just that they don’t tell us how much it’s going to cost until they get the shovels on the ground. Unsurprisingly, people are skeptical about the benefits of the project over SkyTrain, and rightfully so.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2018, 1:17 AM
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2018, 2:00 AM
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Are you suggesting that we should scrap SkyTrain altogether just because there are currently only eight metro systems in the world that uses Bombardier’s Innovia Metro? You do realize that there are other companies that make LIM trains, although most of them are in Japan and China, and they are manually operated.

You can’t use that as an excuse to have a Langley LRT instead of an extension, and I had enough hearing that trash LRTers spit out.

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Old Posted Mar 25, 2018, 2:51 AM
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I mean it is proprietary. There still aren't that many LIM rail lines out there and the ones that do exist aren't using 5 rails.
All urban transit systems are proprietary. There's no factory out there producing standard sized vehicles and parts to a standard design. Each manufacturer has a turn-key system that doesn't work with any other manufacturer's. Even the Innovia system that Vancouver uses does not use Bombardier's signalling system that the other systems use. Yet this Seltrac signalling system is in use in more systems than just LIM trains.

Likewise the Canada Line uses Seltrac and is Rotem's first fully automated subway. What makes Rotem's solution any less proprietary?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2018, 4:03 PM
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2018, 6:51 PM
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What are you even talking about? I say the five rail system used on ART is proprietary and you say I want to scrap skytrain? Take a hike
*sigh* It’s because when people say that, they often bash on SkyTrain, calling it an expensive and “obsolete” system, and that the LRT is the way of the future (ಠ_ಠ). Ron and zwei talk about this a lot.
     
     
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