Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[slc801]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

New Development coming soon to Murray City.

Artesian Springs
118 Units
5-stories

PDF
http://slco.org/pwpds/agendas/mayor/...ing_Packet.pdf

Whoa, does that mean that they are demolishing the Murray Laundry Tower?! If they do, thats an absolute shame.

[jtrent77]

Originally Posted by slc801

Whoa, does that mean that they are demolishing the Murray Laundry Tower?! If they do, thats an absolute shame.

Nope.

http://fox13now.com/2015/08/28/new-w...-old-monument/

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by jtrent77

Here is something for the complainers here to complain about:

Skyscrapers or high-tech campus — what should replace the Draper prison?
When planning what should replace the prison after it vacates 680 acres in Draper a few years from now, Mayor Troy Walker is dreaming big. Really big. Like skyscraper huge.

He wants to see multiple 50-story buildings anchor a business district that makes downtown Salt Lake City look quaint. He wants the headquarters of a Fortune 500 company and luxury apartments on the land sandwiched between Interstate 15 and Bangerter Highway.

And then he said under his breath he'd settle for a few 4-6 story office buildings and a couple fortune 500 gas stations.

It's funny that a project literally adjacent to this prison land, Vista Station, can't even get anything other than a few 4-5 story buildings with 5 parking spots per worker, yet he thinks fortune 500 companies are foaming at the mouth to build 50-story buildings there.

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by asies1981

Update on The Cairns in Sandy

It looks like the site listed for the 'Parc @ City Center' is actually where the Hale Theatre is currently going, no?

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

It looks like the site listed for the 'Parc @ City Center' is actually where the Hale Theatre is currently going, no?

These are two sites each across the street from each other. There's a lot happening around Sandy City Hall these days.

[Hatman]

This is far outside the MSA area, but I was surprised to hear that Boeing is considering using the Dugway Proving Ground as a landing site for their Starliner capsule. As in, Astronauts returning from the International Space Station would be routinely landing in Utah, just 2.5 hours from Salt Lake City. I think that's really cool!

[AllOutOfBubbleGum]

Originally Posted by Hatman

This is far outside the MSA area, but I was surprised to hear that Boeing is considering using the Dugway Proving Ground as a landing site for their Starliner capsule. As in, Astronauts returning from the International Space Station would be routinely landing in Utah, just 2.5 hours from Salt Lake City. I think that's really cool!

It might surprise people but USU sends a lot of experiments up to the ISS so that "Could" have something to do with a choice like that. Also it doesn't hurt that we have ATK here which could be another reason Boeing would be looking at Dugway. Not to dismiss the fact it's out in the middle of no where and, Oh hey there's a super max Air Force base in the middle of the desert with the worst of the worst chemicals, germs and deadly microbes in it.

[Orlando]

I'm trying to find info on the tech company that is building their circular company headquarters in Midvale. Anybody?

[Makid]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I'm trying to find info on the tech company that is building their circular company headquarters in Midvale. Anybody?

That is Overstock.com. They wanted to build downtown from what I understand but also wanted a ton of parking and the City wouldn't give there.

At least they will be closer to better transit options compared to their current location at roughly 6200S 3000E in the Old Mill buildings.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I'm trying to find info on the tech company that is building their circular company headquarters in Midvale. Anybody?

Overstock

[i-215]

Sprawl baby, sprawl! A new suburban "Farmington Station"-esque mall is coming to Riverton.



http://Salt Lake Tribune: Get ready,...eaded your way

Map of Proposed Site at 13400 South and Mountain View Corridor

ike Station Park, the new Riverton center is envisioned as a mix of shopping outlets, restaurants, offices, a hotel, movie theaters and villagelike public spaces, all perched on the suburban city's western border with Herriman.

Station Park has fewer stores and restaurants than nearby Layton Hills Mall in Layton or Newgate Mall in Ogden, but it spreads those tenants over a larger footprint, giving the development an open, spacious feel.

Yay?

[jedikermit]

Uggggggggggh.

[Makid]

The only way this would be better is if they planned to add the possible future Trax line through the site and added housing above at least 1/2 to 2/3 of the parking sea.

There is limited bus service there now and even if Proposition 1 passes, there will still be limited bus service there. Trax may expand through there in 2040 but even that route isn't guaranteed.

Riverton and Herriman should work with UTA to increase bus service in the area so that the parking can be reduced. They should also work with the developer and other developers to increase housing density nearby.

This would increase the captive audience while saving infrastructure costs. Building the plan that they have is horrific at best.

Without any residential built into the project, this will just be stealing retail from another area. Retail developments of this size in SL and Davis Counties should all include residential and commercial. 1/8 to 1/4 a residential unit for every parking space for retail. Commercial should be rated at 5 sq feet for every parking space.

Ideally, my parking ratios would be higher but for the location I think this would be good. It would increase residential and commercial options there while also increasing a demand for better transit options.

Developers would be able to exceed these parking ratios but shouldn't be under them. If they exceed them, it would increase pressure to extend Trax faster while also increasing the need for better bus service.

But alas, this won't happen. Even in the article they state that they don't expect anything to change development wise in the area for multiple generations.

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by Makid

The only way this would be better is if they planned to add the possible future Trax line through the site and added housing above at least 1/2 to 2/3 of the parking sea.

There is limited bus service there now and even if Proposition 1 passes, there will still be limited bus service there. Trax may expand through there in 2040 but even that route isn't guaranteed.

Riverton and Herriman should work with UTA to increase bus service in the area so that the parking can be reduced. They should also work with the developer and other developers to increase housing density nearby.

This would increase the captive audience while saving infrastructure costs. Building the plan that they have is horrific at best.

Without any residential built into the project, this will just be stealing retail from another area. Retail developments of this size in SL and Davis Counties should all include residential and commercial. 1/8 to 1/4 a residential unit for every parking space for retail. Commercial should be rated at 5 sq feet for every parking space.

Ideally, my parking ratios would be higher but for the location I think this would be good. It would increase residential and commercial options there while also increasing a demand for better transit options.

Developers would be able to exceed these parking ratios but shouldn't be under them. If they exceed them, it would increase pressure to extend Trax faster while also increasing the need for better bus service.

But alas, this won't happen. Even in the article they state that they don't expect anything to change development wise in the area for multiple generations.

I'm of the feeling now that every region should be on their own to fund their transit projects. I don't want UTA money from SLC going to encourage and retrofit these suburbs; if they want to build with transit to protect their investment, then they should impact fee in such a way that they can build for their transit needs.

I don't understand retail in Utah. It's primarily driven by local developers who try to sell off these badly built retail projects as soon as they can. In the car industry there are tons of protections and regulations written into state law regarding where new dealerships can ever be built in Utah. Why isn't retail doing a better job of making it harder to start new retail in the state?

[TonyAnderson]

Originally Posted by i-215

Sprawl baby, sprawl! A new suburban "Farmington Station"-esque mall is coming to Riverton.


http://Salt Lake Tribune: Get ready,...eaded your way

Map of Proposed Site at 13400 South and Mountain View Corridor


Yay?

These suburban mayors sure don't lack ambition. Getting results? Yes, they lack that severely. But not ambition.

Doubt this ever becomes much of anything.

[Hatman]

Interesting use for the land. It is pretty prime land out there, completely empty and flanked on either side by the Mountain View Corridor and Bangerter Hwy. Not much transit, but with higher density it will change. I've seen plans in which an extension of the Red Line heads directly through that area - not that I think that will happen anytime soon, but perhaps this will push that along. Who knows.
If they at least have a little 'town center' core to the mall, perhaps this isn't a bad thing, even if it is surrounded by parking. The only redeeming thing about parking is that it is a placeholder for something better. Once parking lots are no longer needed (see my numerous rants on autonomous vehicles) all that space can be used for denser things, like apartments and condos etc. And the development will most likely be dense because it is right next to a big giant shopping mall, and who would want single-family homes next to that?
I don't see this thing as so bad. This project has me mildly interested. Let's see how this mall inspired by an alleged Transit Oriented Development does in the suburbs and no where near transit. Perhaps this is the beginning of this type of development not being only for high density areas, or in transit-friendly areas, but becoming the norm everywhere. It's certainly better than endless strip malls out to the horizon and beyond!

[goldcntry]

On a purely selfish note, it will add a closer alternative for my lunch excursions...

[s.p.hansen]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

These suburban mayors sure don't lack ambition. Getting results? Yes, they lack that severely. But not ambition.

Doubt this ever becomes much of anything.

That reminds me growing up in Bountiful, UT how I was told for a decade that the Renaissance Center was coming...

I'm really glad it never came.

[DCRes]

Originally Posted by s.p.hansen

That reminds me growing up in Bountiful, UT how I was told for a decade that the Renaissance Center was coming...

I'm really glad it never came.

Yep, it ended up being couple medical office buildings and a whole lot of vacant, undeveloped land. If I owned that land I would make it a bunch of multi-family with a small amount of retail.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

These suburban mayors sure don't lack ambition. Getting results? Yes, they lack that severely. But not ambition.

Doubt this ever becomes much of anything.

Barring a major economic meltdown, I'm pretty sure this is happening. It's being developed by CenterCal, which has its own financing, doesn't require bank financing.