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It's part of a global trend. The City and region have become a really attractive destination to many across Canada and across the globe. We have 7.5 mil people on this planet. A temperate region with no extreme variability in weather. One that has mountains with lush forests nearby while also having shoreline within a close proximity. Not as dense and busy as many world class cities.

People should have seen this coming and either adapted or prepared an exit strategy from the onset of Expo 86....and certainly by Vancouver 2010. The sign were all there and immigration is certainly not new. The global population continues to increase and the global elite will go wherever most desirable.

I can damn well tell you that a PR system will not change the trends. Either pay up to live here or move. It's really simple.
I don't give a shit about people living in other areas of the globe. We have nation states with differing regulations and norms and they have no right or claim on property here, just as I don't have the automatic right to buy property in China. Fortunately the worm has turned here and voters have finally seen the light. Regulations are only going to get tighter. Today's NDP announcement of an inquiry on money laundering in real estate and luxury cars is a clear shot across the bow of global free riders. It will also be interesting to see what federal Tories propose in an effort to differentiate themselves from the Liberals. They will certainly pushed farther toward a hardline on global capital and immigration if Bernier's party establishes itself.
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It's part of a global trend. The City and region have become a really attractive destination to many across Canada and across the globe. We have 7.5 mil people on this planet. A temperate region with no extreme variability in weather. One that has mountains with lush forests nearby while also having shoreline within a close proximity. Not as dense and busy as many world class cities.

People should have seen this coming and either adapted or prepared an exit strategy from the onset of Expo 86....and certainly by Vancouver 2010. The sign were all there and immigration is certainly not new. The global population continues to increase and the global elite will go wherever most desirable.

I can damn well tell you that a PR system will not change the trends. Either pay up to live here or move. It's really simple.
Yes of course. I should have planned ahead before I was even born, Obviously.

Do you have any idea how ageist and classist you sound? Fuck your businesses if Canadians under 35 are permanently excluded from Canadian life.

Oh and PS: as one of those youth you so willingly disparage, and who grew up in a poor family, I still have a right to live where I’m from and not not wind up homeless because some foreign bastards with a lot of money see OUR city as a reliable piggy bank.
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Yes of course. I should have planned ahead before I was even born, Obviously.

Do you have any idea how ageist and classist you sound? Fuck your businesses if Canadians under 35 are permanently excluded from Canadian life.

Oh and PS: as one of those youth you so willingly disparage, and who grew up in a poor family, I still have a right to live where I’m from and not not wind up homeless because some foreign bastards with a lot of money see OUR city as a reliable piggy bank.
I agree with both sides here. On one hand a free market economy is very good for jobs and wages and if we hamper that it risks high unemployment. This has been shown in history many times. But people do have a right to rent something for 1000 a month. However you can’t force the market or you will break it. You need to work with people so this affordable housing exists. The government has set affordable rentals at like $1600 which is ridiculous unless it’s downtown.


A reminder though that every home owned by someone foreign usually becomes a rental property. Also foreign buyers now account for less than 1% of buyers. Foreign buyers are actually better for the rental market as they help to create rental supply. It’s the real estate purchase market whose prices go up from foreign buyers not the rental market.

The real issue is that every rental home is full with less than 1% vacancy. The government is partially to blame for not encouraging more rental homes to be built. But also it’s a fact that the construction industry is working overtime to build homes.

When supply of somehing is below 1% it creates scarcity which drives up prices which is what’s happened here. We need a lot more supply. You can’t tell people to rent for less when there’s a 50 person lineup outside their door.

While good for public relations everyone in the know has warned that most of the new laws and rules are killing people’s desire to rent out units or build rental units. If people can’t make money there not going to rent. I am disappointed that the government choose easy votes over what every economics and history professor advised which was work with the people building new or supplying rental housing so there happy and rent is less.

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I agree with both sides here. On one hand a free market economy is very good for jobs and wages and if we hamper that it risks high unemployment. This has been shown in history many times. But people do have a right to rent something for 1000 a month. However you can’t force the market or you will break it. You need to work with people so this affordable housing exists. The government has set affordable rentals at like $1600 which is ridiculous unless it’s downtown.


A reminder though that every home owned by someone foreign usually becomes a rental property. Also foreign buyers now account for less than 1% of buyers. Foreign buyers are actually better for the rental market as they help to create rental supply. It’s the real estate purchase market whose prices go up from foreign buyers not the rental market.

The real issue is that every rental home is full with less than 1% vacancy. The government is partially to blame for not encouraging more rental homes to be built. But also it’s a fact that the construction industry is working overtime to build homes.

When supply of somehing is below 1% it creates scarcity which drives up prices which is what’s happened here. We need a lot more supply. You can’t tell people to rent for less when there’s a 50 person lineup outside their door.

While good for public relations everyone in the know has warned that most of the new laws and rules are killing people’s desire to rent out units or build rental units. If people can’t make money there not going to rent. I am disappointed that the government choose easy votes over what every economics and history professor advised which was work with the people building new or supplying rental housing so there happy and rent is less.
Canada lets in too many immigrants per year that the ability to absorb them into local markets is compromised, thats the problem and has been for a while now. This obsessive belief that we need to open the flood gates to the world.

It should come as no shock that rents skyrocketed as soon as Trudeau came to power and hiked the immigration numbers.

As for rents? You can't expect the government to finance the construction of rental projects, if you want to build rental units the government needs to offer incentives to do that. Right now the current strategy is to offer incentives for rentals period while defining "affordable" as an extremely high amount of rent which no one of a moderate or lower income can afford. We're starving government coffers to build luxury rentals, thats the wrong way to do it.

My solutions are simple
1) offer to lessen height restrictions on rentals
2) offer to wave property taxes or provide a tax credit to rentals
3) demand that all rentals have a mix of income units while demanding at least 25% of units be priced at below market value, 25% priced at middle class market value, 50% can be priced at whichever the building manager wishes/ Offer incentives to do this, make this strategy fiscally worthwhile for developers.
4) Rezone the ENTIRE city for mixed high density development, I don't give a shit about NIMBY Boomers and their obsession with views/property values.
5) tax speculation in the market to discourage property flipping
6) lessen the regulations on new projects to speed up construction of all condos, and rentals
7) cap rent increases to inflation (I agree with the NDP here) BUT make it so Landlords have the ability to raise it further to if they can prove the costs of keeping the property at the current value is prohibitively expensive. Government should offer property tax credits to all renters with higher tax exemptions provided for landlords that offer units as close to break even as possible.
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Canada lets in too many immigrants per year that the ability to absorb them into local markets is compromised, thats the problem and has been for a while now. This obsessive belief that we need to open the flood gates to the world.

It should come as no shock that rents skyrocketed as soon as Trudeau came to power and hiked the immigration numbers.

As for rents? You can't expect the government to finance the construction of rental projects, if you want to build rental units the government needs to offer incentives to do that. Right now the current strategy is to offer incentives for rentals period while defining "affordable" as an extremely high amount of rent which no one of a moderate or lower income can afford. We're starving government coffers to build luxury rentals, thats the wrong way to do it.

My solutions are simple
1) offer to lessen height restrictions on rentals
2) offer to wave property taxes or provide a tax credit to rentals
3) demand that all rentals have a mix of income units while demanding at least 25% of units be priced at below market value, 25% priced at middle class market value, 50% can be priced at whichever the building manager wishes/ Offer incentives to do this, make this strategy fiscally worthwhile for developers.
4) Rezone the ENTIRE city for mixed high density development, I don't give a shit about NIMBY Boomers and their obsession with views/property values.
5) tax speculation in the market to discourage property flipping
6) lessen the regulations on new projects to speed up construction of all condos, and rentals
7) cap rent increases to inflation (I agree with the NDP here) BUT make it so Landlords have the ability to raise it further to if they can prove the costs of keeping the property at the current value is prohibitively expensive. Government should offer property tax credits to all renters with higher tax exemptions provided for landlords that offer units as close to break even as possible.
If canada relies on our own population then it will shrink, we are having less babies born then deaths and our population is contracting. You can’t judge our ability to absorb immigrants by looking at Vancouver since canada as a whole and the interior of BC needs immigrants.

1) we have this but we need a lot more I agree.
2) agreed but it’ll never happen!
3) agreed!
4) we don’t have the construction capacity necessary to do this even if we open it up completely. Let’s start this around city centers and skytrain stations? And we can look elsewhere once the main places that need this are done.
5) we already have pretty high transfer taxes and huge capital gains taxes at least 20-40% of the profits are going to tax which is pretty huge?
6) definitely, Vancouver fire code is insanely restrictive as is building codes and somehow you have to spend a ton of time with the landscaping department?
7) many rentals are below market and the landlord is slowly raising them each year to market. If he can’t do this he has to rennovict or something else because he’s losing money each year. You can’t expect or ask landlords to lose money, cut profit margins but not losses. Inflationary increases at market rents is fine but below market rentals should be allowed to raise it faster than inflation. Again it’s not like we have many empty rentals. We have less than 1% empty rentals and we can’t be hurting rental owners then expecting them and others to still be rental owners. We need to work with them so everyone’s happy.
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If canada relies on our own population then it will shrink, we are having less babies born then deaths and our population is contracting. You can’t judge our ability to absorb immigrants by looking at Vancouver since canada as a whole and the interior of BC needs immigrants.

1) we have this but we need a lot more I agree.
2) agreed but it’ll never happen!
3) agreed!
4) we don’t have the construction capacity necessary to do this even if we open it up completely. Let’s start this around city centers and skytrain stations? And we can look elsewhere once the main places that need this are done.
5) we already have pretty high transfer taxes and huge capital gains taxes at least 20-40% of the profits are going to tax which is pretty huge?
6) definitely, Vancouver fire code is insanely restrictive as is building codes and somehow you have to spend a ton of time with the landscaping department?
7) many rentals are below market and the landlord is slowly raising them each year to market. If he can’t do this he has to rennovict or something else because he’s losing money each year. You can’t expect or ask landlords to lose money, cut profit margins but not losses. Inflationary increases at market rents is fine but below market rentals should be allowed to raise it faster than inflation. Again it’s not like we have many empty rentals. We have less than 1% empty rentals and we can’t be hurting rental owners then expecting them and others to still be rental owners. We need to work with them so everyone’s happy.
On Immigrants, the numbers should be halved, either that or we should make it mandatory new migrants settle outside of Vancouver and Toronto. The population decline is mostly a myth anyway, population will increase if it becomes fiscally feasible to raise children in ur society, currently it isn't as the costs are prohibitive. This is why the NDP wants a universal childcare system which i strongly support. Better to have our own in Canada born and raised here to import citizens of convenience to subsidize the programs Canadians demand from our government.

If canada let in say 150k immigrants a year we wouldn't have the crisis we have now to nearly the same degree, the immigrants would integrate easier and not form urban ethnic enclaves as easily, and Canada's population would NOT decline.

Furthermore a LOT of the immigrants let into Canada are outside of working age to begin with, such family reunification policies are fiscally irresponsible.

On #7, again the exemption exists for landlords, if they can prove that they must raise prices to recuperate costs than they can apply to do so, this is a better policy than just letting them hike it willy nilly.

Renter security matters, housing is a home first and foremost, it shouldn't be treated as an investment yet it is being so. Raising the costs by inflation per year is reasonable as that can easily be absorbed by renters, inflation +2% adds up a LOT and many are finding themselves under water because of it. This year my rent went up $31 a month, if 4.5% remained in place next year I would have seen a rent hike of $36. That might not seem much but when I started renting this unit back in 2015 I paid $725, in just 3 years the price has risen nearly $100, in only THREE years. My rent is low compared with many others, those paying even MORE find themselves in even worse of a situation than myself.

Inflation at 2.5% is still a $20 hike per month which is much easier to handle yes but still my income is barely keeping up with these raises. I only make $26k a year, not exactly able to handle such increases very easily without taking a ding to my quality of life and ability to be a productive participant in our local economy.

When you raise rents by more than the population can absorb their spending power decreases and the rest of the economy suffers as a result. raising by inflation annually is a compromise between landlords ability to turn a profit and Renters right to housing security.

Lastly, if you are renting below market and have lived in the same rental for 10 + years, that doesn't mean your below market is less than the costs to keep up with upkeep, especially since for 10 years now every year you've pocketed an additional 2% per year in rent increases above the local inflation rate.

again there are other ways to encourage rentals than allowing exorbitant rent hikes every year, these include expanding ICBC coverage to property insurance and offer a cheaper rate to landlords, this could also include offering a tax credit to landlords so that their costs of upkeep decline so that their enterprise is sustainable.

Why should reasonable tenants be the ones to suffer because of our governments inability to offer said incentives to landlords? Truth is, they shouldn't.
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On Immigrants, the numbers should be halved, either that or we should make it mandatory new migrants settle outside of Vancouver and Toronto. The population decline is mostly a myth anyway, population will increase if it becomes fiscally feasible to raise children in ur society, currently it isn't as the costs are prohibitive. This is why the NDP wants a universal childcare system which i strongly support. Better to have our own in Canada born and raised here to import citizens of convenience to subsidize the programs Canadians demand from our government.

If canada let in say 150k immigrants a year we wouldn't have the crisis we have now to nearly the same degree, the immigrants would integrate easier and not form urban ethnic enclaves as easily, and Canada's population would NOT decline.

Furthermore a LOT of the immigrants let into Canada are outside of working age to begin with, such family reunification policies are fiscally irresponsible.

On #7, again the exemption exists for landlords, if they can prove that they must raise prices to recuperate costs than they can apply to do so, this is a better policy than just letting them hike it willy nilly.

Renter security matters, housing is a home first and foremost, it shouldn't be treated as an investment yet it is being so. Raising the costs by inflation per year is reasonable as that can easily be absorbed by renters, inflation +2% adds up a LOT and many are finding themselves under water because of it. This year my rent went up $31 a month, if 4.5% remained in place next year I would have seen a rent hike of $36. That might not seem much but when I started renting this unit back in 2015 I paid $725, in just 3 years the price has risen nearly $100, in only THREE years. My rent is low compared with many others, those paying even MORE find themselves in even worse of a situation than myself.

Inflation at 2.5% is still a $20 hike per month which is much easier to handle yes but still my income is barely keeping up with these raises. I only make $26k a year, not exactly able to handle such increases very easily without taking a ding to my quality of life and ability to be a productive participant in our local economy.

When you raise rents by more than the population can absorb their spending power decreases and the rest of the economy suffers as a result. raising by inflation annually is a compromise between landlords ability to turn a profit and Renters right to housing security.

Lastly, if you are renting below market and have lived in the same rental for 10 + years, that doesn't mean your below market is less than the costs to keep up with upkeep, especially since for 10 years now every year you've pocketed an additional 2% per year in rent increases above the local inflation rate.

again there are other ways to encourage rentals than allowing exorbitant rent hikes every year, these include expanding ICBC coverage to property insurance and offer a cheaper rate to landlords, this could also include offering a tax credit to landlords so that their costs of upkeep decline so that their enterprise is sustainable.

Why should reasonable tenants be the ones to suffer because of our governments inability to offer said incentives to landlords? Truth is, they shouldn't.
Wow I agree with so much with what you say.
1. I definitely agree that we should be pushing many immigrants to populate our interior. Especially the refugees!

2. We should definitely be letting in immigrants of working age and while the family thing is great you can't let them bring in their parents & other older family members to be our burden.

3. While landlords do have an exemption due to rising costs. They also had an exemption before if rents in the area were much higher and rennovictions as well. You know what happened? Each case tended to be a long legal battle, then the media got involved, and it went to pot. The government is really slow to deal with cases and a lot of work is involved. Imagine going to court for 40 units. An exemption should be allowed if your charging below market rent. Also a reminder that most Owners do their own maintenance so its difficult to show increasing costs of maintenance labor wise.

4. Its a free market. So when rent goes up its just bringing it up to the market rate. Giving the option of 4.5% doesn't mean that landlords will increase it 4.5%, only that landlords charging below market rent will increase it 4.5%. If the landlord increases it 4.5% and you find something better you can move and now he has to deal with the pain of finding another good tenant.

5. I do not wish to insult you but 26k a year? I made more than this 10 years ago in highschool when I taught kids chess for $15/hour. Hell I made close to that at Tim Hortins working 40 hours a week at $10/hour, more if you include my weekend side jobs. Painters make around 60k a year before tax, and around 100k for the ones that work weekends and overtime. I talked to the security guard for the T&T downtown and he was making $17/hour at the age of 19 and I thought he was getting paid crazy money for that. Wages here are crazy high for low level jobs. $825 a month is very cheap rent and honestly your very lucky to get that your landlord is definitely losing money. Personally I work around 10-12 hours a day 7 days a week and I'd suggest that you do too so your not making $26k.

6. Inflation+2% was already restrictive as rent control and our supply was failing people as a result. You say rent control is a compromise. But we aren't compromising at all. Rent controls have been shown to fail, consistently. Anyone with any education knows this. We have below 1% supply and now we're reducing the growth of supply further, this isn't a compromise, this is suicide. I strongly suspect the NDP of furthering the housing crisis so they keep getting votes as they know if they solve it they won't get any.

7. Money to landlords. When have you ever seen the government give back money lol. They've already increased the taxes on landlords and killed the real estate industry so our economy is tanking as is their revenues. They put a bunch of taxes to discourage real estate ownership or purchase right after the mortgage rate increase so everyone stopped buying. They don't have two cents to rub together right now. No one understands this but the real estate industry made up a bigger part of our economy than oil in Alberta and now its gone down 20-30%, mostly in the luxury market which employs the most people and pays the most taxes. When this happened Alberta went into a recession, unemployment went up like a rocket, and ours is coming soon. Developments under construction are finishing but many developers are waiting or going elsewhere now which is going to be huge for unemployment and taxes. We killed the golden goose and its going to take us a decade to recover.
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.. They've already increased the taxes on landlords and killed the real estate industry so our economy is tanking as is their revenues. They put a bunch of taxes to discourage real estate ownership or purchase right after the mortgage rate increase so everyone stopped buying. They don't have two cents to rub together right now...
Bullshit alert.

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Two of the five primary investors in a proposed liquefied natural gas project in northern B.C. granted their final approval Friday for the development, bringing Canada's first major LNG project one step closer to becoming a reality.

PetroChina and Kogas, of South Korea, have both announced their readiness to move forward with the $40-billion investment led by the joint venture LNG Canada.

On Sunday, a report from Bloomberg said all five investors had approved the final investment decision according to unnamed sources, but LNG Canada said in a tweet it had not received a final investment decision.

If approved, the project would see the construction of a 640-kilometre pipeline to transport natural gas from Dawson Creek in northeastern B.C. to a brand new processing terminal on the coast in Kitimat, where the gas would be processed into liquid for export to overseas markets.

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Kristi Baron, communications lead for PetroChina, said in a statement that the three other investors in the venture — Malaysia's Petronas, Royal Dutch Shell, and Japan's Mitsubishi Corp. — still need to give their approval for the project to move forward.

But there are signals pointing toward the project being built. Last week, Houston-based Civeo Corp. was awarded contracts to supply temporary work camps at four locations along the Coastal GasLink pipeline route on the condition that the LNG Canada export terminal is built.

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A car takes time to brake lol. You know the market is dead right now so use your brain and connect the dots as to our probable future.

In terms you can understand, what would happen to Alberta’s economy if the oil industry went down 25%?
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A car takes time to brake lol. You know the market is dead right now so use your brain and connect the dots as to our probable future.

In terms you can understand, what would happen to Alberta’s economy if the oil industry went down 25%?
Now we've got LNG to rescue us.
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Now we've got LNG to rescue us.
It’s a couple years away but yes good on the NDP for choosing the economy this time!
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A car takes time to brake lol. You know the market is dead right now so use your brain and connect the dots as to our probable future.

In terms you can understand, what would happen to Alberta’s economy if the oil industry went down 25%?
The market is dead because greed priced everyone out of most of the market, and rising interest rates will make it worse. When you have foreign players doing ludicrous things like bidding a quarter of a billion dollars for a gas station, you know the market has jumped the shark.
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Though I worry what this might do to the NDP-Green arrangement. Weaver is deadset against LNG.
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When you have foreign players doing ludicrous things like bidding a quarter of a billion dollars for a gas station, you know the market has jumped the shark.
The gas station on W Georgia sold to Anthem - who are not offshore based - for $72m. The White Spot site next door, which is much bigger and can take two towers, was reported to be sold to a Hong Kong developer for $245m.
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The gas station on W Georgia sold to Anthem - who are not offshore based - for $72m. The White Spot site next door, which is much bigger and can take two towers, was reported to be sold to a Hong Kong developer for $245m.
Oops, you're right. My bad. But the idea is the same. Similar forces at work Barclay site that Bosa and Westbank sold to a Hong Kong developer.
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Though I worry what this might do to the NDP-Green arrangement. Weaver is deadset against LNG.
Would love to see the arrangement fall apart.
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Oops, you're right. My bad. But the idea is the same. Similar forces at work Barclay site that Bosa and Westbank sold to a Hong Kong developer.
But those are rare, and extreme examples, and they might well already be regretting how much they paid. Surely this C-2 example on Vancouver's east side, currently for sale, is more typical? The site's asking price is $18.9 million and allows 68,000 sq ft of development - so at least 50 apartments. Not a bargain basement price, but hardly shark-jump territory.
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