Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[delts145]

Originally Posted by TANGELD_SLC

LMAO good one RFPCME.

I was wondering, does anybody know what the construction statuses are on the two new LDS temples being built in the south end of the valley and also what has happened to the west-side ski resort or did I miss something...?

I passed by both Temples recently and noticed that the Daybreak is up as far as the shell, but from the bangerter it didn't look to have much of the cream granite facade applied yet. The Draper Temple seems to be a little further along, with all of the gray granite applied. It would seem as if they are now working mostly on the interior of the Draper facility.

As far as the west-side ski resort, it is in limbo at the moment. Apparently Rio Tinto and the county are in a bit of a tiff at the moment. I can't remember what the exact argument is about. Something to do with the county being panicky about Rio Tinto having too much control over too large of an area. We had a few posts about it on the forum a few months back.

[delts145]

Park City/Deer Valley - Development challenges await top planner


The USC Trojan Marching Band leads a parade down Park Ave. in Park City.

wikipedia

http://www.parkrecord.com/city/ci_10142664

Tom Eddington Jr., the new Planning director at City Hall, arrives in Park City as developers continue to see the city as a prime place to build.

...Treasure Hill: The Sweeney family wants to build the Treasure Hill development on the Town Lift slopes of Park City Mountain Resort near Old Town. A hotel would anchor the project, and the family has planned to build Treasure Hill for years.

...developers envision NoMa,(North of Main) someday becoming a hotspot with upscale shopping, loft-style living and entertainment offerings. City Hall would first need to change the development rules in the district.

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[ski_steve]

For pictures of LDS Temples under construction, you can go here

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/announced/

OR, Here

http://www.lds.org/temples/chronolog...1900-1,00.html


LDS Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple- as of July 24

ldschurchtemples.com


LDS Draper Utah Temple-as of July 24

ldschurchtemples.com

[SLC Projects]

Wow there will soon be 140 temples.

[delts145]

Herriman - City pours dreams, vision into rec center

http://origin.sltrib.com/southvalley/ci_10130138


An artist's rendering depicts the plan for the new J.L. Sorenson Recreation Center. (Rendering courtesy of EDA Architects, Inc. )

The J. L. Sorenson Recreation Center, coming in fall 2010, will be a large part of Herriman's new town center development.
In addition to a new county library, town hall and elementary school, the Salt Lake County facility will comprise the core of Herriman's hoped-for walkable community.
...In addition to standard amenities like a lap pool, cardio rooms, an indoor-running track and diving well, the Sorenson center will feature some unique aspects.
There will be a specialized spinning room, as well as a room designed for tumbling and dance classes. There will also be a teen center with a Wii gaming system, as well as several party rooms.
In addition to its innovative amenities, the center will also be built to LEED (Leadership, Energy and Environmental Design) gold standards.


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[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by stevena07

http://www.lds.org/temples/chronolog...1900-1,00.html


LDS Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple- as of July 24

ldschurchtemples.com


LDS Draper Utah Temple-as of July 24

ldschurchtemples.com

...it surprises me how small these two are--seems like either a step back from the humungo-Bountiful and American Fork temples or maybe just a step forward toward smaller buildings linked to their communities. In any case, not quite the showcases that other Utah LDS temples have been, especially given their prominent locations at the southern end of the valley. Maybe finished and lit they'll be more...spectacular?

Then again, I wanted the Hare Krishna Temple in Spanish Fork to be about 4x the size that it ended up being, if just for the religious diversity in the community.

[delts145]

I think they probably make more sense in size, based on their location. I think the LDS Church is aiming for smaller, more numerous temples and closer to their communities, than the large Temples serving a larger area.

I walked around the Draper Temple and was actually very impressed with it's design and size in relation to it's placement and neighborhood. The actual coloring of the Draper Temple is much different than the rendering. In the rendering it appears white or beige, but in reality it's a gray stone. Anyway, I think it's very attractive for that location. Another interesting aspect of that temple is it's neighborhood that immediately surrounds it. Many of the homes are very attractive and show a lot of old world style craftsmanship. So many of the monster homes of today are a bit on the tacky side. However, many of these homes are built as if by craftsman from 150 years ago.

In this rendering it appears beige, but in reality it's more of a gray granite, much like the LDS Temple at Temple Sq.


This construction pic is actually more of an acurate color representation

[SLC Projects]

Herriman is also getting it's own high school. Since Riverton high has outgrown itself already. That project will take about two years and ground will break soon if it hasn't already.

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by delts145

I think they probably make more sense in size, based on their location. I think the LDS Church is aiming for smaller, more numerous temples and closer to their communities, than the large Temples serving a larger area.

Why is the LDS Church catering to sprawl? perhaps if these temples weren't being built in the suburbs, more people would move back to the city to be closer to the temple.

I walked around the Draper Temple and was actually very impressed with it's design and size in relation to it's placement and neighborhood...I think it's very attractive for that location.

This neighborhood didn't exist before the LDS church announced the placement of this temple. I think the most attractive thing for that location aught to have been a hiking trail.

Another interesting aspect of that temple is it's neighborhood that immediately surrounds it. Many of the homes are very attractive and show a lot of old world style craftsmanship. So many of the monster homes of today are a bit on the tacky side. However, many of these homes are built as if by craftsman from 150 years ago.

These are $1,000,000 + homes, so of course the materials and design will be better. These mansions, more accurately, are being bought up by "faithful" Christians (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) who want a perfect little life, close to the temple, away from those other classes whom God doesn't smile so favorably upon.

Ok, so maybe this is a little inflammatory, but do you see the hypocrisy, more importantly, the unsustainable nature of this development pattern? How are people going to get to this temple? Will it induce driving? Is it accessible to all classes? Is the placement ideal as far as being sustainable, or is it just a big advertisement or inflammatory statement to the Salt Lake Valley? What was the rational for it's location? Does that rational outweigh our responsibility to the environment in which we live? And if there is a God, aught we not show our gratitude for this earth in which we live by inhabiting it in a responsible manner and leaving it in a better condition than we found it?

[UTPlanner]

Is anybody else tired of hearing this constant battle between mormons and non-mormons on every forum in the SLC area? It seems that every posting on the SL Tribune or KSL.com eventually makes it's way into some bizarre religious war. I for one am tired of it and would like to keep religion off of a skyscraper/development forum.

If you are offended by a religious group, there are plenty of other forums available on the web that pander to that crowd.

I am not LDS and cannot understand the constant battles. Just simply my own opinion.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by UTPlanner

Is anybody else tired of hearing this constant battle between mormons and non-mormons on every forum in the SLC area? It seems that every posting on the SL Tribune or KSL.com eventually makes it's way into some bizarre religious war. I for one am tired of it and would like to keep religion off of a skyscraper/development forum.

I agree. Moving right along.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by delts145

I walked around the Draper Temple and was actually very impressed with it's design and size in relation to it's placement and neighborhood. The actual coloring of the Draper Temple is much different than the rendering. In the rendering it appears white or beige, but in reality it's a gray stone. Anyway, I think it's very attractive for that location. Another interesting aspect of that temple is it's neighborhood that immediately surrounds it. Many of the homes are very attractive and show a lot of old world style craftsmanship. So many of the monster homes of today are a bit on the tacky side. However, many of these homes are built as if by craftsman from 150 years ago.

I have to disagree about the Draper Temple. I was there last week as well and left feeling pretty underwhelmed. I'm not saying that the temple is ugly; its still a nice building, but it felt very uninviting and cold compared to other temples. Perhaps the landscaping will help to soften some of the large, flat walls, but to me it felt as if there was way to much blank stone wall and not enough windows or other relief -- mostly at the base, which feels quite heavy, especially when viewed from the street below:



It almost looks like a Stalinist version of the Bountiful/Mt. Timp. Temples:



As for the houses around it, the craftsmanship may be higher than normal, but the overall feel of the neighborhood is one of gaudy mansions cobbled together in no particular style as each person tries to out-do the neighbors. While I was there, I actually saw some kids on their way to visit the neighbors a few houses down the street -- in a golf cart.

Neighborhoods like this are the reason that I try to avoid Draper at all costs and would never feel comfortable living there.

[urbanboy]

Yeah, lets sweep this under the rug like everything else. Hey, I'm just holding this organization to the standard it claims to be. Don't you see how our community values affect the way in which we build our communities? Well, they do. Therefore, this discussion is relevant.

[cololi]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

These are $100,000,000 + homes, so of course the materials and design will be better.

Wow. 100 million for homes. In Utah.

By the way, the sprawl is already there. Shouldn't the appropriate thing to do be to make the sprawl the best it can be and give people who live there some destinations that end up reducing the amount of driving they have to do? I do see, in some ways, these temples encouraging sprawl, but the surrounding neighborhoods, including suncrest (one of the most environmentally inconsiderate developments I've seen) daybreak, etc. certainly have contributed to sprawl and the overall degradation of the south part of the valley. But, not everyone wants to live in stacked flats or apartments or even in an urban setting. The world of responsible development can include living arrangements similar to the tract home development pattern, only modified in numerous ways.

I do agree though, that open space in this area is the number one issue and Draper certainly dropped the ball on the entire traverse ridge development.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Yeah, lets sweep this under the rug like everything else. Hey, I'm just holding this organization to the standard it claims to be. Don't you see how our community values affect the way in which we build our communities? Well, they do. Therefore, this discussion is relevant.

The church's mission has nothing to do with encouraging people to live in urban settings, so I'm not sure what standard you' re referrring to. The fact of the matter is that they build temples their members are already living, and as of late, a lot of mormons happen to be living in Draper and S. Jordan, hence the new temples there. If thousands of mormons started moving downtown and overwhelmed the capacity of the SL Temple they would build a new temple downtown as well.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

These mansions, more accurately, are being bought up by "faithful" Christians (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) who want a perfect little life, close to the temple, away from those other classes whom God doesn't smile so favorably upon.

I do enjoy many of your contributions Urbanboy, but I wonder by your often repeated tone, if you don't seem like even more of a hypocritical snob, than those who you regularly and very loudly pass judgement on. You need to be careful with the way you come off to others, otherwise you present yourself as nothing more than an irrational bigot.

Of course, it could be that your forum manner is completely different from your public presentation. In that case, pehaps you will have somewhat of a chance in the real world as an urban planner.

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

The church's mission has nothing to do with encouraging people to live in urban settings, so I'm not sure what standard you' re referrring to. The fact of the matter is that they build temples their members are already living, and as of late, a lot of mormons happen to be living in Draper and S. Jordan, hence the new temples there.

Then why City Creek Center and the LDS Church's "commitment to Downtown." This is because LDS Church leaders haven't yet given a sermon on the evils of sprawl, a subject that I'm sure Brigham Young would be adressing if he were alive today.

If thousands of mormons started moving downtown and overwhelmed the capacity of the SL Temple they would build a new temple downtown as well

Great! That isn't unheard of, and it's more efficient and would be more accessible to everyone.

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by delts145

I do enjoy many of your contributions Urbanboy, but I wonder by your often repeated tone, if you don't seem like even more of a hypocritical snob, than those who you regularly and very loudly pass judgement on. You need to be careful with the way you come off to others, otherwise you present yourself as nothing more than an irrational bigot.

I've been on both sides of the fence, so any judgement of mine is not made from ignorance. I'm sorry if I've come across as a bigot.

Of course, it could be that your forum manner is completely different from your public presentation. In that case, pehaps you will have somewhat of a chance in the real world as an urban planner.

This is just silly. Planners should be dreamers and idealists. Set the bar high.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by stevena07

For pictures of LDS Temples under construction, you can go here

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/announced/

OR, Here

http://www.lds.org/temples/chronolog...1900-1,00.html


LDS Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple- as of July 24

ldschurchtemples.com


LDS Draper Utah Temple-as of July 24

ldschurchtemples.com

I don't see anything. Do you guys?

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

As for the houses around it, the craftsmanship may be higher than normal, but the overall feel of the neighborhood is one of gaudy mansions cobbled together in no particular style as each person tries to out-do the neighbors.

I hate neighborhoods where all the houses are of one style. When I walk around my neighborhood in Sugar House, I rarely see two houses even remotely alike.