Salt Lake MSA Development Thread

[SLC Projects]

How the hell did Boise pass us up with population?

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by cololi

If I read the chart right, SLC is the third smallest in terms of square miles. It would be interesting to see the overall square mileage of the entire county and get the population density off of that. I believe that Taylorsville is the most dense per square mile than any other City, but it is also completely landlocked and has virtually no undeveloped land. (approx. 60,000 people in 10 or 11 square miles or so).

You are right. Taylorsville has a population of 58,048 and a grand total of 10 sq miles with a density of 5,378.2 per sq mi.

SL County has a population of 978,701, 737.38 sq miles and a density of 1,219 per sq mi. While the population is large you have to consider how many of those square miles are undevelopable.

No offense to Taylorville or anyone that live there, but I'm not a huge fan or it. I would rather the county not increase in density if it ends up looking like Taylorsville.

[Makid]

I wish the lists would only include buildable areas and exclude areas set aside as open space. I think it would give a bigger number.

I think that almost 1/3 of SLC is unbuildable as it is the mountain benches both east and west sides and part of the Great Salt Lake. These areas aren't buildable but do count against the county size when measuring population density to size

I would think if we took the built areas for SLC we would see a lot higher density then what the list shows. Same with the county density. I would expect both numbers to double if not triple.

[NYC Rick]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

How the hell did Boise pass us up with population?

It is a totally irrelevant figure. Salt Lake City has been listed as the same size it is today for more than 4 decades. It is the defining boundaries that limit us.

If you want to be more realistic then think of this: In the 75-80 miles from Ogden-Salt Lake City-Provo, there is a population that is 2,200,000 of totally interactive populous. Attached is an article regarding cities to Metropolitan areas to interaction of contiguous multiple metropolitan areas to beyond.

Boise may have a city populous total but The Wasatch Front and Salt Lake City have REAL futures to the overall reality present development and future representation.

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2008/~/..._intermountain_west_sarzynski/chp_II.pdf

You will have to copy and print the link.

Who cares anyway? Boise is a nice place. It is just not on the same level as far as the future predictions go.

My question is how Boise ever got into a shooting match with SLC. Is it proximity or is it a mine is bigger than yours kind of thing. Population wise the whole concept is a joke. Kind of like the "Boise Place approved at 460 feet".

This my last post about Boise.

[wrendog]

What are the chances that we see a change in the SLC MSA to include Ogden/Davis and/or Provo/Orem in the 2010 census?

[Northernlad]

Originally Posted by wrendog

What are the chances that we see a change in the SLC MSA to include Ogden/Davis and/or Provo/Orem in the 2010 census?

I think it would make perfect sense to inlcude Ogden/Davis County in the MSA figures and leave Provo/Orem separate.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by Northernlad

I think it would make perfect sense to inlcude Ogden/Davis County in the MSA figures and leave Provo/Orem separate.

In other words, back to where it was pre-2000... I agree with this.

That would put the MSA at what, 1.6 mill?

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by wrendog

In other words, back to where it was pre-2000... I agree with this.

That would put the MSA at what, 1.6 mill?

The U.S. Census sort of does this already. Above the MSA, they have a CSA-- Combined Statistical Area.

The Salt Lake City–Ogden–Clearfield Combined Statistical Area is made up of eight counties in northern Utah. The statistical area includes two metropolitan areas and two micropolitan areas. As of the 2000 Census, the CSA had a population of 1,469,474 (though a July 1, 2006 estimate placed the population at 1,632,814).

[cololi]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

You are right. Taylorsville has a population of 58,048 and a grand total of 10 sq miles with a density of 5,378.2 per sq mi.

SL County has a population of 978,701, 737.38 sq miles and a density of 1,219 per sq mi. While the population is large you have to consider how many of those square miles are undevelopable.

No offense to Taylorville or anyone that live there, but I'm not a huge fan or it. I would rather the county not increase in density if it ends up looking like Taylorsville.

I absolutely agree. People put too much stock in numbers.

[T-Mac]

I have personally added 3 to the CSA for the 2010 census.

[leerjet]

Nice buddy! Sounds like your pretty busy when you're not posting pictures!

[wrendog]

People don't put as much stock in the CSA as they do MSA. MSA is king when dealing with a metro's population. Hopefully it will become the SLC/Ogden MSA again.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by leerjet

Nice buddy! Sounds like your pretty busy when you're not posting pictures!

Or at least none that he can post.

As for me I can add one this Dec.

[UV4EVER]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Actually the competing tax dollars isn't a joke. Whether or not the residents know exactly were the city boundaries are is not the point. The point, is that the tax rolls do. If the city A has a McDonalds just across the line from city B (even when the citizens don't know the boundary), and City B has no fast food restaurant, the citizens from City B will go to that McDonalds because there isn't another option close by, City A gets all the tax generated by the McDonalds. If City B has a new Burger King then some of the City B residents and possibly some City A residents will shift there spending to Burger King and thus providing City B with tax revenue that was formerly going to City A.

You are correct. I don't think I was too clear in how I worded my comment. I wasn't trying to say that it doesn't matter where the business ends up but that it shouldn't matter because the boarders are practically non-existent from an outsider prospective. The joke is that the system does work that way and it puts one town in competition with its neighbors when in reality they are connected and should work together. Cities that are connected should have better ways of dividing their sales tax dollars as to promote better regional growth.

What kind of strange place...

My parents live in Springville, a town with two Subways. Yet there is a Subway in Mapleton and one in Spanish Fork that are both closer to my parents house than either of the Springville Subways... how does that make any sense? So if they want their tax dollars to stay "local", I guess they should drive further than is needed? (No answer needed, just food for thought...)

[NYC Rick]

Read next post. Sorry!

[NYC Rick]

Originally Posted by Stenar

The U.S. Census sort of does this already. Above the MSA, they have a CSA-- Combined Statistical Area.

The Salt Lake City–Ogden–Clearfield Combined Statistical Area is made up of eight counties in northern Utah. The statistical area includes two metropolitan areas and two micropolitan areas. As of the 2000 Census, the CSA had a population of 1,469,474 (though a July 1, 2006 estimate placed the population at 1,632,814).

No one who publishes what people in general see and read uses the CSA anymore. People who go to the census site may. Actually I go to the US census bureau site quite often and I cannot recall one ranking or even listing of CSA cities.

Please give me a link.

I really feel that very soon we will have relative listings for contiguous populace areas but I do not think they will be called megapolitan.

This would eliminate Toole and Wasatch counties. These are ancillary counties anyway. Yes, they are part of the megapolitan but they really bring down the relevancy of flow.

What I would like to see is a real CSA that is made up of the real and actual square miles of the populace space. Salt Lake county, Weber and Davis have large populations and are in counties that are not huge. Provo should be added to the CSA because it has all of the requirements. More than 15% populace interaction as well as interconnected transportation and shared interest. If Orem-Provo were knocked down to the real population sq miles then the area would not be large. Plus the lake would be knocked out.

The same lake area would be knocked out for SL, Davis and Weber. I never knew that parts of the Great Salt Lake are actually included in county boundaries.

[Future Mayor]

The square miles numbers that I posted yesterday were square miles of land, so the lake was not included in those numbers, however the canyons were.

[delts145]

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[RFPCME]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

How the hell did Boise pass us up with population?

They started counting sheep!

[TANGELD_SLC]

Originally Posted by RFPCME

They started counting sheep!

LMAO good one RFPCME.


I was wondering, does anybody know what the construction statuses are on the two new LDS temples being built in the south end of the valley and also what has happened to the west-side ski resort or did I miss something...?