YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by CMD UW

/\ Sounds like you are becoming more and more of a whiner. I too travel alot and welcome the new scheduled service. I'm also not worried about this new service having a major impact on our US carriers. There is enough demand to go around.

I am not a whinner. Do not confuse strategic thinking with whinning. Here by the way is a link (at the bottom) to a CNW Press Release that listed all the flights apporoved by the Federal Government for Western Cities. I have bolded the YEG ones:

CITY-PAIR DESIGNATIONS FOR AIR SERVICES BETWEEN CANADA AND MEXICO
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The 1961 Canada - Mexico bilateral Air Transport Agreement, as amended in
1999, governs scheduled air services between the two countries.
As of June 2007, the new airline designations for own-aircraft scheduled
air service from Canada to Mexico are as follows:

Air Transat:
- Vancouver - Manzanillo
- Victoria - Puerto Vallarta
- Calgary - Manzanillo
- Edmonton - Manzanillo
- Regina - Puerto Vallarta
- Regina - Cancun
- Saskatoon - Puerto Vallarta
- Saskatoon - Cancun

(*) These supplement the carrier's existing city-pair designation
allocations.

WestJet:
- Vancouver - San Jose del Cabo
- Vancouver - Manzanillo
- Calgary - San Jose del Cabo
- Calgary - Mazatlan
- Calgary - Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo
- Calgary - Manzanillo
- Edmonton - San Jose del Cabo
- Edmonton - Mazatlan
- Edmonton - Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo
- Edmonton - Manzanillo

Skyservice Airlines Inc.:
- Victoria - Puerto Vallarta
- Edmonton - San Jose del Cabo
- Regina - Puerto Vallarta
- Regina - Cancun
- Saskatoon - Puerto Vallarta
- Saskatoon - Cancun
- Ottawa - Acapulco
- Toronto - Cozumel
- Toronto - Huatulco

Sunwing Airlines Inc.:

- London - Cancun



http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/June2007/22/c8466.html

[EdmTrekker]

I did not add the purple face under Transat - must have popped on when I cut and paste.

[ibz]

Those all seem like pretty good additions to me.

[CMD UW]

/\ Yep, don't know why Mr. E is complaining....

[CanadianCentaur]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

I did not add the purple face under Transat - must have popped on when I cut and paste.

You can get rid of the purple (un)smilie - just hit the Edit button in your post.

Originally Posted by RyanE

Those all seem like pretty good additions to me.

Agreed.

[tuffyy]

^Please remember that these flights are only the ones that have been approved to be operated as scheduled flights,there will still be many sunspot flights from YEG this winter as charters.

[LO 044]

So i went for a visit to Seattle this past weekend. Some observations i had.

Horizon flight 2319 to Seattle was about 50-60% full. Horizon flight 2318 to Edmonton was 100% full. The entire ride back to Edmonton was turbulent/uncomfortable with the aircraft just hovering over high clouds. I have never flew Horizon's RJ's, not sure if they are better.

I think Horizon's service is sub par at best. Checking in, there was only one ticketing agent with about 15 people in line. Once i got through, i found that US customs was closed between 4:30pm and 5:00pm. What's up with that? Is this a common occurence at the EIA? I would have thought that Edmonton was large enough to have at least one US customs officer on duty during the day.

On the way back, the Seattle airport is pretty good although Horizon's departure area is too small and packed with people standing around. Perhaps they will address this someday. The flight was late by 30 minutes because we had to wait for a crew member from another flight. Like i said before, a bumpy ride and i'm not sure if using an RJ would make a difference.

Some important notes on Seattle. They have public bus service for $1.25 ($1.50 in peak hours) to downtown. It's a half hour ride, can't beat it. A rail line to the airport is scheduled to open in 2009.

The museum of flight in Seattle is very impressive especially when it comes to historical information/displays. Most air enthusiasts would find it interesting especially the older ones who were around during WWII. Great displays on WWI and WWII. I highly recommend it.

I also took the Boeing tour. It is OK but all you really see is the hangar and the planes parked near the runway. The guide babbles on about how great Boeing is yet most of the components are built overseas by Kawasaki and Mitsubishi. The Boeing plant is really a place where parts are put together. You can't really call Boeing (and probably Airbus as well) an American airplane today.

And for that AC Boeing 777 visiting Edmonton? Yes it didn't happen this past weekend. I saw AC's 777 at the plant. One AC 777-200LR and one AC 777-300ER were parked in full Air Canada colors near the runway. One AC 777-200LR was inside the plant at the final parking position in terms of assembly unpainted. The unpainted one will be Air Canada's 7th Boeing 777. I have pictures of the two aircraft outside although the zoom on my camera isn't the best. You'd need a professional camera (ie. a lens with a high zoom) to get a great pic. Still, if anyone wants to post the pics, let me know and i'll send them to you. I don't know how to post pics on here.

[lubicon]

On the downside:

Not only is AC cutting the Kelowna flights, they are apparently cutting the Victoria nonstop and one of the Yellowknife nonstops. Not sure how many flights they were running to Kelowna, but YEG is losing at least 3 daily flights from AC.

On the upside:
Westjet is upping Abbotsford to 2x daily and Comox is also going daily. Also CMA is looking at picking up the Peace River route from the now defunct Peace Air.

You win a little, you lose a little.

[Coldrsx]

^very true, but we should be winning more and losing less...

[Rocket252]

How about some NEW seasonal routes like Orlando or Fort Lauderdale.

Oh the joys of not being a major hub.

[Coldrsx]

Flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0
Posted Wed Jun 27 2007 11:18:53 your local time (53 minutes 59 secs ago) and read 49 times:

Just a few highlights on growth direct from YEG:

Growth YTD = 18%
EIA is Canada's fastest growing major airport and one of the fastest in the world.
EIA has recorded 17 consecutive months of double-digit growing and double-digit growth in 25 of the past 29 months.

Largest Markets without non-stop service from YEG past 12 months:

Domestic = Prince George 18,000 E/D passengers / St. John's 17,000 E/D / Nanaimo 15,000 E/D
Transborder = Florida 83,000 E/D passengers / Hawaii 49,000 E/D / New York 36,000 E/D
International = Hong Kong 17,000 E/D passengers / Manila 14,000 E/D / Beijing 10,000 E/D

Beijing is also the fastest growing international market with 40% growth in the past 12 months.

East Asia traffic continues to grow. The region is now YEG's second largest overseas market after Western Eruope with over 60,000 passengers in the past 12 months. This translates into five full Boeing 767s per week.

In the past 12 months, nearly 50,000 peoplel flew from YEG to Orlando,FL without non-stop service. That is equal to one full 737 each day. Another 30,000 people flew into other Florida destinations from YEG.

[CMD UW]

/\ Wow, wow, wow....

All I have to say is down with Cabotage!!!!

[ExcaliburKid]

Cold, thats some unreal info there. Especially regarding East Asia traffic. I am baffled why YEG isnt getting these non-stops. Expand the airport already!!! Quit dickin around and get the ball rolling. This is the type of info that major carriers need to be force fed, imo.

[Coldrsx]

EDMTREKKER posted that from C2E...but yah...unreal numbers.

How about a 3 x weekly to HK and 3 x weekly to Beijing:>

[ExcaliburKid]

^With EDMTREKKERs numbers there, I dont see whats holding airlines back, other than available slots. I would imagine those routes would succeed.

I think it is the lack of risk the airline industry can take. The numbers look good, but is Edmonton the best place to invest right now? The short answer is no. However it is one of the safer ones.

I am not usually down on YEG, but I do see YVR gaining more asian flights and maybe one from YYC in the next few year. The only way YEG will gain a flight is if it is from someone outside the star alliance...

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by LO 044

So i went for a visit to Seattle this past weekend. Some observations i had.

Horizon flight 2319 to Seattle was about 50-60% full. Horizon flight 2318 to Edmonton was 100% full. The entire ride back to Edmonton was turbulent/uncomfortable with the aircraft just hovering over high clouds. I have never flew Horizon's RJ's, not sure if they are better.

.

Nice to see QXE hasn't changed. Of you were on the new Dash, then yes, each and every ride I've had on that is rough as hell. THe RJ is much much much much much much much much much better, 10k+ in altitude differnce makes a smoother ride.

[Edmonchuck]

Originally Posted by brento79

The only way YEG will gain a flight is if it is from someone outside the star alliance...

yup

[Coldrsx]

china air?

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

china air?

Its Air China not China Air - although who cares. I have flown Air China from SFO to Shanghai on a 747 and it was like a 1* airline when I flew it. It was a 747 kind of modified...with the "North Americans" on the top deck and national Chinese flying economy below - "and in the aisles" drinking bottles of home brtewed tea concoctions. There were at least a 100 people sitting in the aisles in excess of available seating!! I put up with this because I missed my flight on a US airline out of SFO with full points...a few years back. Worst flight, food and exp. I have had - and I have travelled our precious little earth.