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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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They say a franchise needs on-field success and an alluring facility to maintain consistently good attendance/interest. Well, the on-field product is clearly not worthy of a devoted fan base. So, will the stadium be enough to keep the fans coming? Let's just say this team better get good fast.
Lol...Well, at least you're coming up with a variety of ways to say the same thing repeatedly!
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They say a franchise needs on-field success and an alluring facility to maintain consistently good attendance/interest. Well, the on-field product is clearly not worthy of a devoted fan base. So, will the stadium be enough to keep the fans coming? Let's just say this team better get good fast.
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New Lansdowne Park shows what happens when we dare to 'think big'

Joanne Chianello, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 15, 2014, Last Updated: August 15, 2014 6:31 PM EDT


It’s the one part of the Lansdowne Park redevelopment plan that surely we can all love: the 18-acre urban park.

First conceived of as a way to make the massive Lansdowne project more palatable to critics who rightly pointed out there wasn’t enough being kept public in this key public asset, the park, with its proximity to the Rideau Canal and its promising programming, is set to become one of the more beloved spaces in the capital.

What was once a sea of asphalt is now a welcoming mix of basketball courts, a heritage-apple orchard, a skating rink, a “Great Lawn” that can be used for picnics or frisbee (or could hold 17,000 for a special event), a skatepark and playground.

“I’ve already been told by some of the kids this is the coolest equipment,” Mayor Jim Watson said.

There are a few temporary amusement rides for tomorrow’s public celebration, which everyone should attend. After all, it’s residents who are footing the $42.5-million bill for the giant park. That hefty amount includes moving and restoring the now-beautiful Horticulture Building, which is surely a highlight of the urban park.

“I am convinced the Horticulture Building will become the same kind of icon,” said Coun. Peter Hume, comparing the newly restored building to the Aberdeen Pavilion, a heritage-designated building that Hume and Watson fought to save more than 20 years ago. It was also Hume who led the fight to do something special with the public space instead of something, in the councillor’s words, “pedantic.”

And the urban park certainly has the potential to be special. It goes to show what we can do when we’re willing to spend money on public space, to hold international competitions for design, to fuss over the details.

“I remember a day-long meeting on the value of pavement,” said Hume.

“This process was unique,” said the councillor. “We should replicate it again. We need to think big.”

Perhaps appropriately for such a significant day, history loomed large at Friday’s the official opening.

Descendants of Thomas Ahearn — who, among other things, gave Ottawa electric light, streetcars and telephones — had a de-facto family reunion for the unveiling of a rebuilt monument that was originally installed at Lansdowne in 1949.

“It took a little event like this to bring us all together,” said Thomas Ahearn, the great-grandson of the original and one of many distant cousins who gathered in Ottawa from as far as Victoria.

But it’s what we can do with the park in the future ahead that’s most important now.

Not all of the park is quite ready yet — the berm, topped with an installation that will use thousands of LED lights to project art into the park, as well as the major water feature, won’t be completed until later this year — but for the most part the infrastructure looks great.

It’s what we do with it that might matter most, what will actually make the park a thriving, living centre of the city.

Watson pointed out that some Winterlude events will be held at Lansdowne next year. Festivals have expressed interest in Lansdowne, the city’s parks and recreation department is putting together programming for the site for next year — everything from soccer camps in the summer and outdoor skating lessons in the winter — and the Ottawa Farmers’ Market returns to its original home next year.

There’s still little word on what will be happening in the Horticulture Building and Aberdeen Pavilion.

And that’s fine for now — it’s early days yet in the life of the urban park. But for our massive public investment in the park to be truly valuable, we need to continue to develop the park as our city grows and changes. I already like the idea of having a permanent old-fashioned carousel in the park, instead of the one just set up for Saturday’s big bash. Perhaps over the years, we’ll want to add more to the children’s playground.

We always need to be thinking creatively about how we can improve the city. But for this weekend, at least, we should enjoy the cotton candy, ferris wheel and all the trappings of the old-fashioned fair that will mark the arrival of more park land than Lansdowne has ever known.

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Lakeside Ave. 'significantly quieter' after changes to Redblacks shuttle route

Andrew Nguyen, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 15, 2014, Last Updated: August 15, 2014 10:09 PM EDT


Residents of Lakeside Avenue are pleased that the city’s changes to the shuttle bus route for Friday’s Redblacks game has resulted in fewer buses driving down their street.

The buses were scheduled to pick people up Friday at the Canada Post and Vincent Massey Park parking lots, then take Heron Road and Prince of Wales Drive to get to Queen Elizabeth Driveway and eventually TD Place.

Lakeside resident Claire Gardam said she’s happy to see that there’s been a “huge reduction” in the number of shuttle buses on their street Friday. “We’ve noticed a significant difference actually.”

Since Lakeside isn’t very long, “when you put that many buses on a small street like ours, it backs up pretty quickly,” Gardam said. She added that without wall-to-wall buses coming down the street, the neighbourhood has been “significant quieter.”

Now, a few buses pass by every couple of minutes, but Gardam wants the shuttle buses off tiny streets like hers altogether. “We’re moving in the right direction, but once we have no buses on any residential streets then we’ll have been successful,” she said.

“I would feel that’s where we should have been all along, I feel like that is ultimately where we would like to be,” she said. “We are pleased up to this point that we are now starting to be listened to by the city and they are starting to make the changes that are appropriate.”

Debbie Lehmann, who moved to Lakeside Avenue in June, said she noticed “the noise has decreased significantly” on Friday.

“It was pretty chaotic with the number of buses coming up and down” for the team’s first game, Lehmann said.

“I haven’t seen it disruptive at all” by comparison for Friday’s game, she noted. “I’m pleased to see that there’s been some kind of compromise.”

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Barry Hobin lived at 35 Lakeside Ave from 1984 to 2010. He then designed and moved to 3 Grosvenor Ave.

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I wonder if he rents it because it doesn't appear to have changed ownership.
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Now, a few buses pass by every couple of minutes, but Gardam wants the shuttle buses off tiny streets like hers altogether. “We’re moving in the right direction, but once we have no buses on any residential streets then we’ll have been successful,” she said.
And there you go - you give an inch...

I heard an interview with Mayor Watson earlier in the week on TSN1200 radio and I must admit I liked his response to the question posed about bus traffic on Lakeside.

To paraphrase, he said that Lakeside is a public street and that buses are allowed to use it.
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Re-developed Lansdowne gets a warm public welcome despite the weather

Chris Cobb, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 16, 2014, Last Updated: August 16, 2014 5:51 PM EDT


Five years ago – Sept 28, 2009 to be exact – several hundred angry Glebe residents gathered in the Civic Centre basement and gave a communal and resentful “thumbs down” at plans to redevelop Lansdowne Park.

They shouted and delivered impromptu speeches of protest as clearly-stunned developers and their various business partners looked on.

It was the start of a long week of similar protests across the city and the beginning of litigious road for the “Lansdowne Live” proposal — a road that culminated Saturday in a drizzly public introduction to the segment of the re-development designated for the people.

The century-old Aberdeen Pavilion was devoted to history while outside there were rides, street performers, paramedics demonstrating CPR, and free popcorn.

If any members of the class of 2009 protesters were among the visitors to the 18-acre site, they weren’t immediately obvious.

But one Glebeite, who asked not to be named, said she had been skeptical at what she might find behind the “concrete on Bank Street.”

“I was pleasantly surprised,” she said, “the park is lovely.”

A few complained about the lack of parking — “not to have underground public parking is a huge mistake,” said another woman.

Marlene Hutchison, who lives in the Greenboro area, said early concerns that the re-development would sacrifice the public good on the altar of corporate lust were legitimate.

“I’m happy they are having this day,” she said. “It’s an effort to woo us. I’m unsure of the commercial development but I guess it’s part of the reality. I just hope the public area becomes a focal point for families.”

Allison Chaput, public servant and mother of Sophie, five, and two-year-old Elsa, recalled taking curling lessons at Lansdowne when she was a child.

“I think it’s fantastic to have this public space,” she said. “It was an ugly parking lot for years. We live in Barrhaven but we intend to come here. It will be an attraction.”

Skateboarder Brendan Lemon, 13, was head over heels enthusiastic at the new skate park.

“I used to go to Centrepointe and it took 45 minutes on the bus,” he said. “This is a great location and a good skating environment and it only takes me five minutes to bike here.”

For brothers Randall and Cam Pettigrew, visiting from near Tillsonburg, Ont. the entire development is awesome, especially the new football and soccer facility.

“The stadium is shockingly beautiful,” said Randall, as they headed for a look at the Grey Cup, brought in for the occasion for photo opportunities.

The botched public relations effort of plans, drawings and developer bravado five years ago was a distant memory on Saturday.

Mayor Jim Watson — now campaigning to keep his job — welcomed people “to your park,” before posing for photos and handing out commemorative goodies to the populace.

Watson’s name appears prominently, above the names of current city councillors, on a new plaque that reads ‘Lansdowne Park, Opened August, 2014’ – ignoring more than a century of the city’s history but with enough space to add a ‘re’ before ‘opened’ should anyone want to set the historic record straight.

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Interesting perspective on Ottawa's stadium from a Hamilton op-Ed (published in Windsor)

http://m.ourwindsor.ca/opinion-story/475...a-gets-a-great-stadium-hamilton-doesn-t/

I don't think landsdowne is perfect but its a giant leap forward and the stadium and surrounding structures under construction looked good on TV last night
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I biked over to check out the new park features last night and they are quite nice! The skate park and jungle gym seemed to be very popular and there is a ton of seating. The lawn is somewhat boring and is basically just an open field with picnic benches atm... there could definitely be something to liven up that space but overall I think the park looks great!
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I biked over to check out the new park features last night and they are quite nice! The skate park and jungle gym seemed to be very popular and there is a ton of seating. The lawn is somewhat boring and is basically just an open field with picnic benches atm... there could definitely be something to liven up that space but overall I think the park looks great!
Any sign of that beacon feature?
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Any sign of that beacon feature?
The water feature section is still closed off, so no beacon yet. The Hill area also has no grass, but the majority of the site is open for business and I think Glebites and Ottawans in general have something to be very happy about.
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I biked over to check out the new park features last night and they are quite nice! The skate park and jungle gym seemed to be very popular and there is a ton of seating. The lawn is somewhat boring and is basically just an open field with picnic benches atm... there could definitely be something to liven up that space but overall I think the park looks great!
Walked through the park as well yesterday afternoon near the end of the soccer game. Definitely agree, it looks very nice! I really liked the horticulture building; I thought they did a good job with the renos on that one (and I hope a decent café/coffee shop appears in one of the retail spots fronting the market square ). The wall fronting Holmwood is at least 50% glass - I didn't expect that, but I thought it was a nice touch.

Overall, I felt the retail portion and market square was pretty spacious in the sense that I didn't feel like the buildings were towering over me. There were "opening soon" signs up on some of the retail windows indicating which stores/restaurants were going in; but I didn't see anything we don't already know.

Regarding the lawn, you're absolutely right - pretty boring. But it's a good place to throw a frisbee/football and have a picnic. Not sure what the deal was with those random picnic tables...they weren't even the same kind (some where metal-framed and others were wood-framed). I'm hoping they were only there for the opening celebrations from Friday/Saturday and will be removed (or at least changed to one unified design) at a later date.

Oh, and that lighting feature on the hill looks pretty cool too. Looking forward to seeing that lit up at night
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Coase call on Lakeside buses

William Watson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 15, 2014, Last Updated: August 18, 2014 4:58 PM EDT


Everybody in Ottawa loves the new RedBlacks, except maybe people who live on Lakeside Avenue, where hundreds of buses pass by on game nights, shuttling fans from pick-up areas elsewhere in the city. The buses solve one “externality” problem — thousands of cars coming into an area not capable of handling them — but create another: four or five hours of noise and inconvenience every game night for the 20 or so families of Lakeside Avenue.

Changes to the shuttle routes seem to have ameliorated the problem somewhat, but the entire issue raises an interesting philosophical question.

Writing about this problem in the Citizen last week, Joanne Chianello quoted the intergalactic philosopher Mr. Spock, channelling the 19th century Earthling philosopher Jeremy Bentham, that sometimes “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

A more recent Earthly philosopher, Ronald Coase of the University of Chicago, who won the Nobel Prize in 1991 and died last September at the age of 102, just two years after publishing his last book, argued there are market-based ways of solving such NIMBY (not in my backyard) problems. (Actually, this is a NIMFY problem—which is not a new porn website but “not in my front yard.”)

Coase believed the problem in such cases is usually that property rights are ill-defined. Define rights clearly and the parties will come to a socially optimal agreement.

Suppose the law said unequivocally that Lakeside residents had the right to peace and quiet. The Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group (OSEG) that is running the shuttles would have to ask Lakeside residents’ permission to use their street. Their first response presumably would be “No!” So OSEG would have to sweeten its offer. Suppose it offered each family $200 per game. I suspect most would decide they could put up with the inconvenience.

Would OSEG do that? Maybe. That $200 per family comes to $4,000. It would have to compare the benefit it gets from running the buses along Lakeside with the extra cost of $4,000 to cover the inconvenience to Lakesiders. But that’s exactly the calculation we’d want it to make. That’s the calculation we always want economic deciders to make: what are the full benefits and costs of what I’m doing when everybody’s costs and benefits are considered? In this case, what’s the benefit of the buses compared to the cost to Lakesiders? Allocating the property right to Lakesiders forces OSEG to make that calculation.

But the truly neat thing about Coase analysis of this problem is that even if the property right goes the other way and the law says OSEG has the right to use the street, you can get exactly the same result. Now if Lakesiders don’t want the buses, they’ll have to pay OSEG not to exercise its right to use their street and to go elsewhere instead. What would they rationally pay? If the noise and pollution do cause them each $200 of annoyance and inconvenience, then they would be better off by paying up to $200 per game to get rid of it.

If Lakesiders did make such an offer, OSEG would again be balancing benefits and costs: Now if it goes ahead and runs the buses, it gives up the $4,000 a game Lakesiders would have paid it not to run the buses. Once again, the harm to Lakesiders enters OSEG’s decision-making, which, once again, is exactly what you want. In economics jargon, the “externality” is now “internalized” in the decision-maker’s thinking.

If there’s a big benefit to running the buses along Lakeside, OSEG will forego the $4,000 and run them there anyway. If there’s another route where people don’t care as much, it will take the $4,000, say good-bye to Lakeside, and run its buses where people don’t mind as much.

We all have opinions about who should get the property right, but the genius of Coase’s insight was that whether OSEG gets the property right or Lakesiders do, Lakesiders’ concerns will enter OSEG’s decision-making, which is what we want.

Real life may not be quite so simple, of course. Lakesiders would have to get themselves organized in order to pay OSEG to go somewhere else and it may be difficult or costly for them to do so. Of course, if they do find it’s not worth the bother to try to organize, then maybe the buses aren’t really that big a problem.

Defining property rights clearly and providing cheap adjudication would be the best way to solve this social problem. If OSEG wanted to mimic the optimal economic solution, however, and also burnish its image, it could offer Lakesiders’ some form of compensation for the use of their street. Economists tend to believe cash is always the best balm, but if cash is too crass, maybe free RedBlacks tickets?

William Watson teaches economics at McGill University.

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Lansdowne attractions already closed for repairs

David Reevely, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: August 18, 2014, Last Updated: August 18, 2014 10:11 PM EDT


Two days after the grand opening of the new “urban park” at Lansdowne, two of its key features have been closed — the playground because it isn’t finished and the skate park because it’s crumbling.

Monday afternoon, skateboarders had taken over the basketball courts when they found the nearby ramps and rails of the skate park fenced off, along with the nearby playground. The “great lawn” is open, but mostly what Lansdowne offers this week is empty plazas and views of the ongoing construction work. A promised water plaza isn’t ready yet and neither is a grassy berm with a lighted sculpture.

During the opening festivities on Saturday and then again on Sunday, dozens of children at a time swarmed Lansdowne’s playground, whose main feature is an undulating piece of metalwork covered in nets and climbing ropes. On Monday, the wood chips under the structure had been cleared away and ribbed plastic tubing was strewn around. No signs explained the closure.

“Last week’s weather prevented completion of the finishing touches on the play structure area, which needed dry conditions,” said the city’s general manager of infrastructure, Wayne Newell, in written answers to questions from the Citizen. “However, the City made certain the structure was available for the public over the weekend. The final elements in the play structure are now being completed.”

The work should take about a week, he wrote.

It’s not clear how long fixing the skate park will take. Already on Sunday, at least one palm-sized chip of concrete had flaked off the side of one of the ramps. Elsewhere at Lansdowne, concrete borders around sewer grates and manhole covers were riddled with wide cracks.

“As for the skate park, the City is aware of the deficiencies and they will be addressed by the contractor at their own cost. This is common in construction projects,” Newell wrote.

“Construction continues daily and there will be temporary closures throughout the site until the fall as construction is finalized,” he added.

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Forgive Glebe resident Scott Bentley if football games at TD Place have left him feeling a little peeved.

Bentley, 38, said some football fans have turned his property on Monk Street near Holmwood Avenue into a urinal before and after Redblacks games this season.

Before last month’s home opener, Bentley and his wife were in their kitchen when they saw four men peeing into his yard along his fence. When he went outside and confronted them, he said they laughed and one of them told him to relax.

“The part that’s really surprising is how unconcerned everybody is about it,” said Bentley, an engineer officer in the military.

“Try to imagine: you’re going out to sit and have supper in your backyard, and you’ve got dudes p—— on your fence and laughing at you because you’re upset about it. That’s pretty hard to take.”

Last Friday, the third home game, he came home from work to find four people peeing in the recycling bins along the wall of the apartment complex next door. Their reaction to his displays of obvious disgust was to snicker at him, he said.

“They’re peeing in people’s recycling bins and garbage cans, and they were honestly laughing about it, knowing that I could see them doing it,” he said.
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