Wpg: Chief Peguis Trail Extension

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by EastK

It is only a top layer over concrete so it acts like a coating over the supporting concrete.

Uh. No.

The asphalt is being put directly over several feet of packed aggregate. There is not concrete as a part of this construction (or on any other major roadway or interstate).

The only time asphalt is put over concrete is when the city is too cheap to replace the aging concrete and is hoping to extend the life of the roadway for a few years until they can (or need to) do it right.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by h0twired

The only time asphalt is put over concrete is when the city is too cheap to replace the aging concrete and is hoping to extend the life of the roadway for a few years until they can (or need to) do it right.

That isn't true. Either asphalt or bituminous are put over concrete after the rebar within is retrofitted and the concrete is repaired. It's often part of a midlife repair. You can see that on highway 75 right now, since we're finally spending them money that we should.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by jmt18325

That isn't true. Either asphalt or bituminous are put over concrete after the rebar within is retrofitted and the concrete is repaired. It's often part of a midlife repair. You can see that on highway 75 right now, since we're finally spending them money that we should.

In the USA and a few places in Canada crews grind the surface after the rebar repair and use no asphalt. This offers the best, smoothest road surface IMO.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by Riverman

In the USA and a few places in Canada crews grind the surface after the rebar repair and use no asphalt. This offers the best, smoothest road surface IMO.

Not in a climate like ours. Concrete always starts to shift at the joints, no matter what you do. Also, in our climate, the cover stops water from seeping into the concrete joints, putting of what I was just talking about. There's a reason that there is different construction in the prairie provinces than in Central Canada and the US.

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Uh. No.

The asphalt is being put directly over several feet of packed aggregate. There is not concrete as a part of this construction (or on any other major roadway or interstate).

Uh. Yes .
Asphalt surfacing is often (if not overwhelmingly) put over a concrete base . Usually , as you said , it's to extend the life of a roadway but usually the only time it's just asphalt and a packed agg. base is when it's some semi-rural suburb .

[h0twired]

You guys are all talking about resurfacing.

Not new construction.

[The Jabroni]

It's very grippy, but wears out your tires more. :/

[Riverman]

They are called rain grooves, they help to prevent hydroplaning.

[rrskylar]

Drove down Gateway twice tonight, once at 5:30 and again around 7:30, traffic was backed up both ways between Springfield and McIvor. The city in their infinite wisdom has constructed only one lane northbound on this stretch while eliminating a large section of Raleigh that also carried traffic in the same direction. Can't believe how ass backwards everything is done in regards to traffic flow especially since this is new construction on an already over-capacity roadway. My vent!

[Kinguni]

You could have been on Henderson instead. 1 lane at Chief Peguis and Henderson backed up to Kimberly. Tales of buses running and hour and half late due to this. Poor construction planning, but typical for Winnipeg. It should all clear up once the construction is done, but for now is inexcusable.

[Biff]

I wanted to pull out my fucking hair yesterday trying to get home. I have always questioned the wisdom behind making Gateway just one lane in each direction rrskylar. I have to hope that things will get better once Rothesay opens up again because yesterday there was only 4 lanes total to go northward in east Winnipeg yesterday.

[marketcorrection]

traffic is an insane nightmare at the moment in north kildonan. took 20 minutes to go about 1 km yesterday. terrible planning by the city to cut off raleigh at gilmore.

[rrskylar]

^ Twinning Gateway between Springfiled and McIvor would solve that.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

^ Twinning Gateway between Springfiled and McIvor would solve that.

Yeah, if only that was part of the whole plan. Instead, they only twin Gateway at the intersection of CPT.

[marketcorrection]

the problem is to get from raleigh to gilmore you now have to go down spring field, onto gateway, stop sign at sun valley, turn onto macivor, then on raleigh, then to gilmore..

it used to be go down raleigh to gilmore directly. they need to extend the road from gilmore right to gateway where sunvalley is, so there is a little traffic square from (gilmore -> macivor -> gateway -> gilmore new intersection with no stop sign for gateway. this would solve lots of the traffic problems that are going to now arise at the macivor 4 way stop.

[Biff]

^^^ The City doesn't do things that make sense. That would have alleviated a lot of current and future headaches, and probably only cost another $10 million to do things right from the start.

[original]

Originally Posted by Biff

^^^ The City doesn't do things that make sense. That would have alleviated a lot of current and future headaches, and probably only cost another $10 million to do things right from the start.

That's a real shame.
I don't understand why we don't do things right the first time, especially if the costs for diamond interchanges are so low and are really effective at handling traffic flow. Gateway and CPT would be perfect for a diamond.

I remember reading somewhere that as traffic flow increases, they may consider a interchange over Gateway as a future project. I seriously doubt that will happen until CPT is so over congested that its unbearable. Kind of how 59 right after the Concordia overpass to Springfield gets back up for 5km during rush hour, yet nothing is done about that. I'd like to see a flyover at Grassie, or some sort of interchange to get rid of those lights.

On a brighter note, I checked out the flyover at Rothesay and CPT the other day, looks like its finally getting closer to being finished. Their at the point of connecting the road way up to the bridge.

[rrskylar]

With the ramps leading up to the overpass it's going to look like the Arlington Bridge when finished. Feel bad for the home-owners along Rothesay who will have cars passing their homes at the roof line.

[original]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

With the ramps leading up to the overpass it's going to look like the Arlington Bridge when finished. Feel bad for the home-owners along Rothesay who will have cars passing their homes at the roof line.

I think it's going to look a lot more appealing than the hideous thing that is the Arlington Bridge.

I looked at the city works images and noticed a funny thing, two USPS (united states postal service) trucks in their sketch drawings...

LOL, I didn't know we had USPS in Canada...

[Biff]

Well there is a big invasion of American companies in Canada lately, so you never know