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Old Posted Apr 2, 2022, 3:43 AM
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As you said, Burnaby added 103,964 people over the same period, relative to its original population. If you see it that way, a growth of 229,863 should be compared to Vancouver's original population 35 years ago rather than a direct side-by-side comparison to Burnaby, which suddenly makes it seem like Vancouver is the one growing slower than Burnaby.
Once Burnaby adds on an economy and population of scale, we will see its population will begin to grow faster in actual numbers relative to Vancouver.
Two problems with that argument. One, Burnaby was incorporated just 6 years after Vancouver, and trails it population-wise by ~100. Either way, that's not 35.

Two, the overall growth curve is no better or worse than Vancouver's is - it's actually Surrey that's scheduled to overtake the CoV.

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While I'm all for the idea of Vancouver maintaining a dominant presence in the LM, the population growth you mentioned can't really be used to argue that "Burnaby is growing slower than Vancouver" because populous cities will always gain more population in numbers much like a larger snowball adding on more snow than a smaller snowball running downhill. What's more significant is the rate at which Burnaby is growing, and perhaps the change in Burnaby's population growth rate broken down by certain periods of time.

As you said, Burnaby added 103,964 people over the same period, relative to its original population. If you see it that way, a growth of 229,863 should be compared to Vancouver's original population 35 years ago rather than a direct side-by-side comparison to Burnaby, which suddenly makes it seem like Vancouver is the one growing slower than Burnaby.
Once Burnaby adds on an economy and population of scale, we will see its population will begin to grow faster in actual numbers relative to Vancouver.
I think growth rates can be very misleading. A huge percentage increase in a tiny population will still only mean there a few more people living there. Just because Dogpatch grew by 50% in five years from 200 people to 300, doesn't mean that now there's going to be enough demand for transit, or a viable Dogpatch General Store. But the City of Granville, with a population of 500,000, growing by only 5% means there are 25,000 more people - so that does mean more transit, and potentially all sorts of new businesses could be viable.

As Burnaby is only slightly smaller (in area) than Vancouver, has been around pretty much for as long as Vancouver, but has less than half the population, and under half the population density, it could be argued that it has greater potential to grow than Vancouver. It certainly ought to be easier without disrupting existing development. As Migrant_Coconut correctly notes - Surrey has easily the highest rate of growth (as they should - they have a much bigger potential development area, even allowing for the ALR areas that are off-limits).

To be clear, I'm not dismissing Burnaby's achievement in continuing to grow, (and their policies to add more rental units is long-overdue, and badly needed) but it's just not true to argue that Burnaby's population growth is greater than that of Vancouver.

If you look at employment, Vancouver is even more successful at attracting growth. The employment data for 2016 showed over 400,000 jobs in Vancouver, and about 125,000 in Burnaby. Vancouver added 50,000 jobs in 10 years, and Burnaby added 10,000. (Surrey added about 40,000 in the same period to reach about 180,000, so it's more successful at adding population than it is employment).
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It is so weird when a suburb in a city's metro area Becomes more populous than the main city
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It is so weird when a suburb in a city's metro area Becomes more populous than the main city
not really.

https://www.newgeography.com/content...city-dispersed

.....For example, the city of Atlanta has only 8 percent of the metropolitan area population, while San Antonio has more than 60 percent of the metropolitan area population.

and https://panethos.wordpress.com/2015/...the-core-city/



also simple and logical amalgamation of say Vancouver, Burnaby and New West which would still be smaller in land area than Surrey would change the dynamics of this discussion all together.
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2,800 homes, mostly rentals, planned for Kingsway near Edmonds SkyTrain

Five buildings, each with podiums, are planned for the site — 33 storeys, 38 storeys, 39 storeys, 50 storeys, and 52 storeys, with the tallest flat iron-like tower situated next to the prominent intersection. All of the towers will contribute to the evolving identity and character of Edmonds Town Centre and its skyline.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/edmo...rental-project



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2,800 homes, mostly rentals, planned for Kingsway near Edmonds SkyTrain

Five buildings, each with podiums, are planned for the site — 33 storeys, 38 storeys, 39 storeys, 50 storeys, and 52 storeys, with the tallest flat iron-like tower situated next to the prominent intersection. All of the towers will contribute to the evolving identity and character of Edmonds Town Centre and its skyline.
They're finally doing something with the Edmonds and Kingsway site (two BC Housing towers and former home of the library and seniors center). I'm not surprised they're going heavily rental on this, considering they have to replace the existing towers plus add more.

"Other uses spread across the lower floors of the buildings entail 33,000 sq ft of office space, 84,000 sq ft of retail and restaurant space, and 27,500 sq ft of community service space for non-profit providers." Now that will be nice to see as it's currently a bit of a dead zone there.
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They should cantilever tower c over the traffic island and save that massive tree.



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No, that's not why Burnaby's population density is less than half Vancouver's. Vancouver has more agricultural land than Burnaby. Neither of them have any significant agricultural production, and haven't for decades. Burnaby has more 'green' space - but if you took the Burnaby Mountain Conservation Area out of the statistics it actually has less land devoted to parks and green space.

Burnaby's population density is lower because it's growing more slowly. A great deal of the growth is concentrated in those nodes of towers, around some, but not all, the transit stops. In Vancouver it's much more spread out across the city, along the arterials, and increasingly in other parts of the city too.

Burnaby has grown steadily, and no doubt will continue to do so. It typically adds about half the population growth of Vancouver. That's apparent if you look over a longer time period too - in the past 35 years Burnaby added 103,964 people. Vancouver added 229,863 in the same period.
If you take out Big Bend, Burnaby Mountain, Burnaby Lake, Deer Lake, and their surrounding forests, you're left with 58 sqkm (Burnaby is 98). That's 4310 people per sqkm. When we do the same thing with Vancouver (remove False Creek Flats, industry and golf courses along the Fraser, Stanley Park, the ports along Burrard Inlet etc) we're left with 104sqkm of 115sqkm, giving Vancouver a density of 6375 people per sqkm.
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That Edmonds project is HUGE. Finally the fourth town centre is starting to emerge as something comparable to the other three. Pretty incredible development in Burnaby.
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I was surprised to see how much has been done on that one when I passed the other day.

All the boarding and branding have been removed from the Aoyuan project that was going up.
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Was just on the Formosis website and noticed this rendering. Was this one already announced?



https://www.formosis.ca/projects/residential/the-leaf/

Assume it's in Metrotown.

EDIT: Nevermind, it's a dead project from 2015

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...&postcount=369

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Proposal by Millenium Development near Holdom Station.

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The proposal is for a 47-storey condo tower that includes:

379 residential units;
277 condos;
57 market rental units;
45 affordable rental units;
a total density of 8.30 FAR;
a total building height of 502 ft;
3,400 SF of ground floor retail;
amenity spaces including an outdoor pool;
376 underground parking stalls.










https://vancouvermarket.ca/2022/04/0...rentwood-site/
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Looks like the Austin Gatineau proposal has been revised to transfer the rental density to another site.

https://vancouvermarket.ca/2022/04/0...sity-transfer/

Tallest tower lowered from 82 to 80-storeys but a fourth tower added that appears to be 76-storeys.

  • Four condo towers of 80, 76, 73 & 50-storeys in height each atop commercial podiums;
  • Three phases;
  • 2,474 condo units;
  • a total floor area of of 2.3 Million SF;
  • a total density of 11.82 FAR.
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Looks like the Austin Gatineau proposal has been revised to transfer the rental density to another site.

https://vancouvermarket.ca/2022/04/0...sity-transfer/

Tallest tower lowered from 82 to 80-storeys but a fourth tower added that appears to be 76-storeys.

  • Four condo towers of 80, 76, 73 & 50-storeys in height each atop commercial podiums;
  • Three phases;
  • 2,474 condo units;
  • a total floor area of of 2.3 Million SF;
  • a total density of 11.82 FAR.

JYOM Architects?
Is that the same architects as the embattled 601 Beach Crescent tower project that's stuck in rezoning/DP limbo in downtown Van?

Not to say that the same will happen to this project ( different locale, different municipality and city boards, different program)
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Looks like the Austin Gatineau proposal has been revised to transfer the rental density to another site.

https://vancouvermarket.ca/2022/04/0...sity-transfer/

https://vancouvermarket.ca/2022/04/0...sity-transfer/
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JYOM Architects?
Is that the same architects as the embattled 601 Beach Crescent tower project that's stuck in rezoning/DP limbo in downtown Van?

Not to say that the same will happen to this project ( different locale, different municipality and city boards, different program)
Same.
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Oh man, another tall tower as part of this complex. That is crazy. Great to see the tallest tower being part of phase 1. This is going to be absolutely massive, dwarfing City of Lougheed next door and there is still space for more to the east! LöI hope the architecture will see a revision, but let's get building!
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Really really hope we get some elevation diagrams of these so we can know their official heights.
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Too bad the 2 towers in Phase 1 weren't merged into one tower.
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