Statistics Canada Reports II

[craner]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Beaubassin
The expanded boundaries of Shediac are contiguous with the Moncton CMA. The commuting threshold for a CA are less onerous than for a community without CA status (35% vs 50%). Shediac, once it becomes a CA will be absorbed into the Moncton CMA (including neighbouring communities that will become part of the new CA once it is created).

This means the Moncton CMA could increase by 22,000-40,000 by the 2031 census.

The Moncton CMA is currently 196,000. The new CMA population in 2031 could be 218,000-236,000 (not including any natural growth). If you include natural growth (if it continues at current levels) it is conceivable Moncton's CMA population in 2031 could be 250,000.

This feels about right. The Shediac region psychologically feels like it is part of greater Moncton anyway.

Sounds like Moncton has its own Okotoks in the form of Shediac - it appears there are a number of things to do there.

[MolsonExport]

[Chocolite]

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

It’s gotta be the awesome and fun to say name?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

It's a city of 33,000 people that is pretty much a satellite community of Calgary (like Airdrie and Cochrane), but not officially included in the boundaries of the Calgary metropolitan Area.

[biguc]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

It's because there are a number of things to do there.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

It's a longstanding meme on these boards. That, and Maple Creek.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

It's a longstanding meme on these boards. That, and Maple Creek.

And back in the day, Toronto Bus routes, the great Toronto vs. Jacksonville skyline battle, Clockzilla, and, the world famous Bari shopping mall crisis.

Okotoks will never be part of Calgary, but one day, Calgary will become part of Okotoks. Which will add to the number of things to do there. As long as it doesn't slip beneath the waves.

[jonny24]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

That 79,000 figure popping up first could be disqualifying for a lot of people. Sure, 144,000 is still a small population figure too, but it’s not nearly as disqualifying as 79,000 would be for a lot of people.

I don't think it's a difference at all. Both numbers are firmly "big town / small city". If you're someone discounting a place to move based on a population number alone, they're getting treated the exact same IMO.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by craner

Sounds like Moncton has its own Okotoks in the form of Shediac - it appears there are a number of things to do there.

The main difference is that there really are a number of things to do in Shediac! The same claim for Okotoks is rather questionable.

And, Shediac has le plus grosse homard du monde. Top that Okotoks!!!

[HomeInMyShoes]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The main difference is that there really are a number of things to do in Shediac! The same claim for Okotoks is rather questionable.

And, Shediac has le plus grosse homard du monde. Top that Okotoks!!!

Yeah, but Okotoks knows how to ROCK!

[jamincan]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

This thread often becomes a pissing context on population and so people find ways to say that if you include this area, it has a population of X. KW, it's Guelph, for example, and back in the day, no one could mention Calgary's population without also including Okotoks separately because it's probably going to be incorporated in the CMA at some point, but isn't yet.

That's what put it on everyone's radar, but then Okotoks had a tourism marketing campaign on city buses in Calgary that proclaimed that "there are a number of things to do in Okotoks" which perfectly captured the banality of this sort of exurban community. Ten years later, and everyone still knows there are a number of things to do there, so it was a pretty successful campaign all things considered.

[kora]

Originally Posted by jamincan

This thread often becomes a pissing context on population and so people find ways to say that if you include this area, it has a population of X. KW, it's Guelph, for example, and back in the day, no one could mention Calgary's population without also including Okotoks separately because it's probably going to be incorporated in the CMA at some point, but isn't yet.

That's what put it on everyone's radar, but then Okotoks had a tourism marketing campaign on city buses in Calgary that proclaimed that "there are a number of things to do in Okotoks" which perfectly captured the banality of this sort of exurban community. Ten years later, and everyone still knows there are a number of things to do there, so it was a pretty successful campaign all things considered.

The latest slogan is "Friendly Vibes, Charming Experiences, Unique Moments"

They need to get a marketer that will make something simpler and punchy. Good slogans are short and easy to remember.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by Chocolite

I think I may have asked this before, but why do people keep mentioning Okotoks? something special about the place?

It's an inside joke, related to posts from years back. Okotoks is near Calgary, but not part of the CMA. I think someone once said "if only Calgary had Oktoks it would be bigger than so and so"
As for being special, no it's a bedroom community.

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It's a city of 33,000 people that is pretty much a satellite community of Calgary (like Airdrie and Cochrane), but not officially included in the boundaries of the Calgary metropolitan Area.

It's 33,000 for Okotoks but the municipal district that includes Okotoks, High River and Diamond valley is 88,000. It's not enough to turn Calgary into the next Toronto of course, but it would be a sizable bump added to the CMA once it's joined.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Final Housing Starts for 2025 are out. Montreal edges out Calgary for king of 2025. Vancouver and Toronto not far behind.

[missing_middle]

Alberta just seems to be able to build units at a higher per capita rate with a more even variety of housing types.

Again ample greenfield development seems to be the most potent especially paired with some density rules on new greenfield. Trying to do nearly everything with tower districts isn't as robust.

[Wigs]

Niagara Region growth

*N-O-T-L = Niagara-on-the-Lake



some observations:
- Thorold, which used to be the size of Port Colborne has now leapfrogged both Lincoln and Grimbsy (and will no doubt IMHO become bigger than Fort Erie for the 4th largest city in Niagara Region).
- Niagara Falls has seen impressive growth
- St. Catharines is running out of developable land, but infill is occurring throughout the city. Downtown just saw an 18 storey apartment highrise completed
- Welland, which seemed perpetually around 45-50k population is growing far quicker than anyone could have imagined. Subdivisions in every quadrant of the city, mostly SFH and townhouse development with some low-midrise apartments here and there. K-8 schools have added additions to keep up with demand as new schools are in the works.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by missing_middle

Alberta just seems to be able to build units at a higher per capita rate with a more even variety of housing types.

Again ample greenfield development seems to be the most potent especially paired with some density rules on new greenfield. Trying to do nearly everything with tower districts isn't as robust.

Definitely plays a big part. Other cities in Canada have different geographical constraints where the core tends to radiate outward in restricted fashion. Toronto and Vancouver have cores radiating away from water. Ottawa even has it with a different province on one side of the river. Montreal to some degree as well with the rivers segmenting the city. The prairie cities radiate outward in all directions, and have lots of greenfield areas.

I would point out though that most of the semi-attached and rowhomes for Calgary and Edmonton are being built in the brownfield areas. Greenfield areas tend to be mainly SFH and apartment.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by jonny24

I don't think it's a difference at all. Both numbers are firmly "big town / small city". If you're someone discounting a place to move based on a population number alone, they're getting treated the exact same IMO.

Yeah, both are firmly big town/ small city figures, but i dunno how you can say it’s not a difference at all when the larger figure is almost double the former 😅

[missing_middle]

Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

Definitely plays a big part. Other cities in Canada have different geographical constraints where the core tends to radiate outward in restricted fashion. Toronto and Vancouver have cores radiating away from water. Ottawa even has it with a different province on one side of the river. Montreal to some degree as well with the rivers segmenting the city. The prairie cities radiate outward in all directions, and have lots of greenfield areas.

I would point out though that most of the semi-attached and rowhomes for Calgary and Edmonton are being built in the brownfield areas. Greenfield areas tend to be mainly SFH and apartment.

I agree with you that Prairie cities have advantages that make it very easy/efficient to develop. However Ontario does self-inflict with greenbelts.

If you look at these stats Calgary and Edmonton had a combined 13,300 SFH's starts and Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa had a combined 7917.

Two Alberta cities producing almost double the rest of our major cities. Shit is fucked. No wonder inter-provincial migration is the way it is.