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true, umbrellas > ticky tacky sponsored business banners.

Ooftah, that's bleak looking.
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The London example is beautiful. Do people just call them flowers? I guess that's what they are. You wouldn't call it a chandelier, although I suppose one might argue it.
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Ooftah, that's bleak looking.
This arterial stroad is sponsored by...Ace Hardware
Arterial stroad???????

I had no idea!

Those antique-ish old timey light standards sure fooled me into thinking that was some quaint turn-of-the-century era streetscape.

Way to destroy the illusion, dude
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Palmer Alley in DC sometimes has the umbrella thing going. Or lanterns or one kind or another. Wouldn't call any of them chandeliers but they're always pretty.



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Those antique-ish old timey light standards sure fooled me into thinking that was some quaint turn-of-the-century era streetscape.

Way to destroy the illusion, dude
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Miami had the Umbrellas over the street thing as well. It's part of a Portuguese art installation that travels the globe called The Umbrella Sky Project.


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^ yeah, apparently they've done over 175 street umbrella installations around the globe now.

They even managed to get one into Elmhurst, IL (a Chicago burb).

When you make it to Elmhurst, you know you've finally made it to the big time!!


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I love the way the sun reflects the image on the pavement
Thanks, yeah just a shame it only happened that one time in 2017, when 'The Sun' or whatever you call it managed to break through the sky thing.
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Thanks, yeah just a shame it only happened that one time in 2017, when 'The Sun' or whatever you call it managed to break through the sky thing.
reminds me of when the American sitcom Married... with Children went to London and it was a stereotypical overcast dull grey sky, and the characters were the stereotypical obnoxious American tourists
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What's wrong with the umbrellas??

Sure they're not going to keep anyone dry, but at least they provide a little colour, shade and whimsy to the urban landscape.
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They're not so bad, but the umbrellas in particular have just kinda become one of those cliched, trendy things that gets copied everywhere now; like rainbow crosswalks and big signs that spell out the name of the city. They've done other hanging installations and lights and stuff here, which I do like.


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They're not so bad, but the umbrellas in particular have just kinda become one of those cliched, trendy things that gets copied everywhere now; like rainbow crosswalks and big signs that spell out the name of the city. They've done other hanging installations and lights and stuff here, which I do like.
Yes I've noticed that this comes up a lot with new things, particularly in the realm of design and aesthetics. When it's brand new, many people like it because they see it as original, creative, and striking. Then once it becomes more common, people tire of it and complain about it being cliched. But once it becomes extremely common place then the complaints stop and people simply accept it as a normal part of the world. Like using flowers as urban beautification for instance. You see flower baskets hanging from light poles or flower beds as part of countless landscaping displays, far more than any of the things typically referred to as cliche, yet people rarely complain. So it seems like it's always that middle period after things are no longer totally new but are still new enough that people notice them that there are complaints.

And it isn't necessarily wrong because novelty, innovation and variety seem to be things that people crave. But at the same time, novelty is so fleeting. You can only do something a few times in a few places before it becomes unoriginal and people start calling it cliche. So I've started trying to also evaluate things strictly on their formal properties and relation to their immediate surroundings rather than the wider cultural context including how prevalent it is. I see no reason why some of these new things can't have value beyond their novelty and be adopted into the long term, prevailing aesthetic repertoire. After all, things that are long term and timeless were all new and novel at one point so we need to ask ourselves what does or should give timeless appeal to an aesthetic element.
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+1 to Nouvellecosse.
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umbrellas in particular have just kinda become one of those cliched, trendy things that gets copied everywhere now; like rainbow crosswalks and big signs that spell out the name of the city.
Similar to painting the side of buildings a nice color, growing nice shade trees in parks, and having working sewers.

TBH I think it's kind of a problem that we can't just have nice things without people scoffing at them because they've been done before. Cities aren't an avant garde art show. They're our habitat and we should do what we can to make them nice.
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Yes I've noticed that this comes up a lot with new things, particularly in the realm of design and aesthetics. When it's brand new, many people like it because they see it as original, creative, and striking. Then once it becomes more common, people tire of it and complain about it being cliched. But once it becomes extremely common place then the complaints stop and people simply accept it as a normal part of the world. Like using flowers as urban beautification for instance. You see flower baskets hanging from light poles or flower beds as part of countless landscaping displays, far more than any of the things typically referred to as cliche, yet people rarely complain. So it seems like it's always that middle period after things are no longer totally new but are still new enough that people notice them that there are complaints.

And it isn't necessarily wrong because novelty, innovation and variety seem to be things that people crave. But at the same time, novelty is so fleeting. You can only do something a few times in a few places before it becomes unoriginal and people start calling it cliche. So I've started trying to also evaluate things strictly on their formal properties and relation to their immediate surroundings rather than the wider cultural context including how prevalent it is. I see no reason why some of these new things can't have value beyond their novelty and be adopted into the long term, prevailing aesthetic repertoire. After all, things that are long term and timeless were all new and novel at one point so we need to ask ourselves what does or should give timeless appeal to an aesthetic element.
reminds me of the gehry exploding metal buildings trend.
unique > tiresome > quaintly nostalgic
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They're not so bad, but the umbrellas in particular have just kinda become one of those cliched, trendy things that gets copied everywhere now; like rainbow crosswalks and big signs that spell out the name of the city.
I enjoy seeing all of the above in whatever city I visit
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I enjoy seeing all of the above in whatever city I visit
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+1 to Nouvellecosse.
Similar to painting the side of buildings a nice color, growing nice shade trees in parks, and having working sewers.

TBH I think it's kind of a problem that we can't just have nice things without people scoffing at them because they've been done before. Cities aren't an avant garde art show. They're our habitat and we should do what we can to make them nice.

Those are somewhat disingenuous comparisons though, as they're A. more generalized amenities, and specific objects; and B. mostly serve a functional purpose. Hanging umbrellas are much closer to being an avante garde art installation than they are to having parks or working sewers. Just, an art installation that is the same in every city.

It's like, murals on the sides of buildings are nice; but imagine if every city had the same mural. It makes it feel less surprising & whimsical, and more like it's a token part of some sort of standardized urban trend checklist of the 2020s (there have been many similar such trends over the years too - some have aged well, and some haven't). Anyway, it's cool if you guys like the umbrella thing; I'd rather just see something different is all - like outdoor chandeliers!
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The umbrellas are great if you're a 29-year-old girl who does scores of Instagram reels every day. That's how they show their friends that they're traveling, by taking pictures for 15 minutes underneath the umbrellas. They also need pictures posing with the big letters spelling out the name of the city. Now THAT is how you prove you were in a certain city!
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