California High Speed Rail Thread - Page 194

MAC123 · #**3861** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 2:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

Wait, is Brightline in Florida real HSR? I thought it ran at-grade and wasn't electrified.

Neither of those things make a train system HSR or non HSR (though they may be prerequisite infrastructure for a good HSR system)

All that matters is the speed, and no Brightline in Florida is not fast enough to be HSR.

hughfb3 · #**3862** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 3:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by craigs

Wait, is Brightline in Florida real HSR? I thought it ran at-grade and wasn't electrified.

Florida is not High speed rail, but the California Brightline will be high speed electrified rail that will share track with CAHSR whenever it gets completed. Brightline west will have the same level of amenities and services as Florida. It will be completed several years before CAHSR reaches LA

tech12 · #**3863** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 4:09 AM**

The Drone Zone Flyovers youtube account, which had by far the most extensive documentation of the project, was hacked and deleted. That youtube channel must have contained like 90% of the internet's video documentation of the project. It would be nice if the CA HSR authority could get their own PR in order, which would mean that something like this wouldn't matter.

Things get hacked for various reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if HSR opponents were behind this. It must be frustrating for some people, for there to be constant evidence that the project is alive and well.

craigs · #**3864** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 4:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by MAC123

Neither of those things make a train system HSR or non HSR (though they may be prerequisite infrastructure for a good HSR system)

All that matters is the speed, and no Brightline in Florida is not fast enough to be HSR.

Sorry, I meant to refer to at-grade crossings specifically, which definitely impact how fast trains are allowed to run. According to Wikipedia, FRA regulations set speed limits for tracks with grade crossings as follows:

For 110 mph or less: Grade crossings are permitted. States and railroads cooperate to determine the needed warning devices, including passive crossbucks, flashing lights, two quadrant gates (close only 'entering' lanes of road), long gate arms, median barriers, and various combinations. Lights and/or gates are activated by circuits wired to the track (track circuits).
For 110 to 125 mph: The FRA permits crossings only if an "impenetrable barrier" blocks highway traffic when a train approaches.
Above 125 mph: No crossings will be permitted.

TWAK · #**3865** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 5:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by tech12

The Drone Zone Flyovers youtube account, which had by far the most extensive documentation of the project, was hacked and deleted. That youtube channel must have contained like 90% of the internet's video documentation of the project. It would be nice if the CA HSR authority could get their own PR in order, which would mean that something like this wouldn't matter.

Things get hacked for various reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if HSR opponents were behind this. It must be frustrating for some people, for there to be constant evidence that the project is alive and well.

Probably from out of state too...

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Originally Posted by hughfb3

Florida is not High speed rail, but the California Brightline will be high speed electrified rail that will share track with CAHSR whenever it gets completed. Brightline west will have the same level of amenities and services as Florida. It will be completed several years before CAHSR reaches LA

Having true HSR at grade would be absolutely dangerous.

Busy Bee · #**3866** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 12:54 PM**

Do we actually know it was hacked? I wouldn't let your imagination get too wild. I hate to say it but it could be just as likely that some sort of legal conflict with the CHSRA themselves led to a cease and desist so the author(s) just closed the channel and it will be relaunched with all the content back up soon. Something similar happened not long ago to a subway channel that I like where it just disappeared for a day or two and then was back up...so who knows?

mattropolis · #**3867** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 3:08 PM**

Very sad that the Drone Zone flyover account is gone. hopefully they can be back online too. I wonder if something similar happened to the Four Foot YouTube account, which is still on YouTube, but inactive.

Busy Bee · #**3868** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 5:28 PM**

^ His videos are still up. I think he was just a hobbiest youtuber and has been too busy workin for the RR to make much new content. Regarding the Drone Zone channel I really can see a scenario where the Authority thought it was just a little too close to trespassing, and when comparitevly better the update coverage was than their own channel msy have threatened them with legal action of some kind. I really hope I'm wrong abpit that though xause thats a really discouraging thought that CHSRA would be so petty. Is "hacking" a YT account and deleting everything even a thing?

tech12 · #**3869** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 6:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Do we actually know it was hacked? I wouldn't let your imagination get too wild. I hate to say it but it could be just as likely that some sort of legal conflict with the CHSRA themselves led to a cease and desist so the author(s) just closed the channel and it will be relaunched with all the content back up soon. Something similar happened not long ago to a subway channel that I like where it just disappeared for a day or two and then was back up...so who knows?

I'm just going off what I read here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/cahsr/comments/12s8b46/drone_zone_flyovers_yt_account_was_hacked/

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"Verified with them through Patreon. They are working with YT to reclaim their account."

Hopefully it gets resolved. There are some youtube channels that have had the same thing happen that are back up and running, but I know of others where they had to start a new channel instead.

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Is "hacking" a YT account and deleting everything even a thing?

Yeah, accounts get hijacked relatively often. They delete stuff, put their own stuff there, etc. Take a look:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=youtube+account+hacked

Busy Bee · #**3870** Posted **Apr 21, 2023, 9:30 PM**

That's messed up. Why do people suck so bad?

hughfb3 · #**3871** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 5:21 AM**

Brightline West has just released renderings of the Las Vegas station. More California Station renderings to come soon

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/traf...peed-train-station-revealed-2765817/amp/

Busy Bee · #**3872** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 12:26 PM**

Strange renderings. The first two look like a really nice new zoo exhibit and the third one looks a little bit too much like the stripped down bare bones station architecture that they've produced in Florida.

CrazyCres · #**3873** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 3:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Strange renderings. The first two look like a really nice new zoo exhibit and the third one looks a little bit too much like the stripped down bare bones station architecture that they've produced in Florida.

I think the 3rd render is a old one

hughfb3 · #**3874** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Strange renderings. The first two look like a really nice new zoo exhibit and the third one looks a little bit too much like the stripped down bare bones station architecture that they've produced in Florida.

The 3rd one I saw a few weeks ago when they showed initial Rancho station concept. This is the view looking away from Rancho station to the parking garage. The publication may have incorrectly placed it in the picture thread. The other 3 renders are newly released.

In Florida, the Miami Central Station is a grand concept that looks the same as renderings in reality. I’ve been there a few times as I have friends that live in the apartments above the station and am still impressed every time I go. The Palm Beach, Ft Lauderdale and Boca stations are a scaled back bare bones version of the big station in Miami. I’m assuming same will happen in CA/NV, the grand stations on the bookends will be high concept and the middle ones will be scaled back from there.

**Side note… The above stations apartment’s amenities deck that runs the entire roof of the station is ridiculous, imagine having the entirety of Salesforce transit center’s rooftop park all to one apartment complex.**

JDRCRASH · #**3875** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 6:16 PM**

According to that website, the site for the LV station is gonna have a bunch of room for transit-oriented development.

I have to wonder, though, if the height for said development would be somewhat limited because of the proximity to the airport.

ardecila · #**3876** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 10:15 PM**

Yeah that Vegas station is interesting. Tons of what looks like park space…. As Busy Bee mentioned it seems like a zoo or theme park. Otherwise, park space doesn’t really generate much revenue and costs a ton to maintain (especially in the desert). I’m guessing some of that is a fiction just to pretty up future development sites that will stay empty dirt until filled with buildings.

I’m not opposed to the design though! Reminds me a bit of Patsaouras Plaza at LA Union Station on a bigger scale.

It’s also interesting they decided to sink the building underground rather than elevate the tracks or build the station mezzanine on Level 2. Maybe a climate thing to reduce the need for air conditioning?

markb1 · #**3877** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 11:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Do we actually know it was hacked? I wouldn't let your imagination get too wild. I hate to say it but it could be just as likely that some sort of legal conflict with the CHSRA themselves led to a cease and desist so the author(s) just closed the channel and it will be relaunched with all the content back up soon. Something similar happened not long ago to a subway channel that I like where it just disappeared for a day or two and then was back up...so who knows?

Before the channel was deleted, it was renamed to "crazy protest videos" or something like that, and posted a couple videos in line with the name. Then all the old videos got deleted, or at the least the ones I've checked.

My take it someone was trying to take over DZ's modest subscriber count to try to get some videos to go viral. Then YouTube got involved and took the channel down. But that's just conjecture.

markb1 · #**3878** Posted **Apr 22, 2023, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by hughfb3

**Somewhat off topic and not an update**
Brightline just revealed their Orlando station which is a partnership between the airport authority that built the station and Brightline who outfitted it with their aesthetic and services. Check out their forum. It looks amazing and the services offered are what most impressed me about this recent reveal. I’ve visited the Miami Central Brightline Station a few times and it is fantastic.

I think it will be great to have Brightline West open in California by 2028 to be a friendly competitor that might help to give officials an immersive experience of what quality service and amenities in high speed rail stations and aboard trains can be like. Maybe Metro’s Union Stations amenities and quality of service will improve. Looking forward to seeing the Rancho C Station in person in less than 5 years.

While I do wish Brightline West success, I'm skeptical that it will be open in 2028. Just like CaHSR, it will be dependent on funding.

tech12 · #**3879** Posted **Apr 23, 2023, 8:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by markb1

Before the channel was deleted, it was renamed to "crazy protest videos" or something like that, and posted a couple videos in line with the name. Then all the old videos got deleted, or at the least the ones I've checked.

My take it someone was trying to take over DZ's modest subscriber count to try to get some videos to go viral. Then YouTube got involved and took the channel down. But that's just conjecture.

Hopefully he can get it back, and doesn't have to start a new channel and re-upload everything.

And as I mentioned... get your own PR in order, CA HSR authority! One random youtube account getting hacked shouldn't lead to a situation where half of the publicly available video documentation of the project is lost lol.

202_Cyclist · #**3880** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 11:21 AM**

It's good to see that unlike the LA - San Francisco high-speed rail, this hasn't become another cultural war wedge issue yet.

Las Vegas-to-California bullet train gets bipartisan backing

By Ken Ritter
AP

"LAS VEGAS (AP) — A bipartisan congressional group from Nevada and California asked the Biden administration Monday to fast-track federal funds for a private company to build a high-speed rail line between Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area.

All six of Nevada’s elected federal lawmakers and four House members from California sent the letter to U.S. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. They said they’re on board with a proposal from Brightline West to spend more than $10 billion to lay tracks along the Interstate 15 corridor.

Traffic jams on the interstate often stretch for 15 miles (24 kilometers) near the Nevada-California line as motorists head home after weekend or holiday travel to Las Vegas..."

https://apnews.com/article/bullet-train-...ifornia-e6ac480fd784e2947dba49304cb4fe20