Hwy 99 Fraser River Tunnel (George Massey Replacement) | Proposed

[Galaxy]

It's stupid to not build the six-lane option with the extension pedestrian and bicycle paths from the beginning.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

It's stupid to not build the six-lane option with the extension pedestrian and bicycle paths from the beginning.

Stupid is as New West does.

[flipper316]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-bridge-replacement-translink

[flipper316]

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2020TRAN0023-000184

[Metro-One]

Oh god, that wording isn’t promising...

Phase One of the project will help alleviate congestion on both sides of the existing tunnel...

Phase Two will select a long term solution that will align with regional plans...

Translation, expect to see money wasted on slapping more bandaids onto the existing archaic interchanges and joke of a “bus system”

Meanwhile the city of Quebec is planning to build a 6km long highway tunnel with a full BRT system:

Originally Posted by p_xavier

The new highway tunnel for Québec city is now expected to have BRT stations built in for electric double articulated buses. Interesting approach to say the least.

[Sheba]

govTogetherBC

What is this engagement about?

The Ministry of Transportation is working with the Metro Vancouver Mayors’ Task Force, Indigenous groups, TransLink, local municipalities and key stakeholders to develop and evaluate crossing options and is planning for interim improvements as a first phase to help alleviate congestion on Highway 99.

The Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure invites the public to attend an information session for the George Massey Crossing Project and Highway 99 improvements.

Communities, stakeholders and the public are invited to learn more about:

* Plans for the first stage of the crossing project, which will help alleviate congestion on either side of the existing tunnel; and
* Results of work to date and next steps for selecting a preferred long-term solution.

Ministry staff will be available to provide information and answer questions at the drop-in sessions scheduled for:

Wednesday, Feb. 5, 2020
4 -7 p.m.
Legacy Lounge, Richmond Olympic Oval
6111 River Road, Richmond, BC

Thursday, February 6
4 -7 p.m.
Pacific Ballroom, Coast Tsawwassen Inn Delta
1665 56 Street, Delta, BC

Online feedback form will be accepted until 4pm on February 26, 2020.

Information session materials are available in the document library.

[flipper316]

Duh it's the NDP pretending to care and making it sound like it's their own project . Should've just went with the liberals plan but we all know that would've made too much sense .

[officedweller]

I saw a story on the news and it sounds like an 8-lane bridge is also still an option, as they referenced tthe shorter environmental assessment period.

[Metro-One]

Reading through the reports it is painfully obvious that they are making up any possible criteria to prop up the tunnel option.

The one that made me laugh out loud was citing that the tunnel offers cyclists and pedestrians a more comfortable experience because of protection from the elements!

First of all, as a pedestrian and cyclists nothing beats the view from the top of a major bridge. Golden Ears, Lion’s Gate, Alex Fraser, etc... all spectacular.

Second, the tunnel would only be a short segment of any such trip, so the rest of one’s ride or walk would still be in the elements.

And third, this has never been an important criteria before in our region, especially where it actually makes sense (canopies over shopping streets, proper underground transit connections, etc...)

No new information is really available, no info on any real work to be done on the remainder of the corridor besides some vague improvements, suggesting any work beyond the crossing itself will be minor, and the buses are still depicted on the shoulder lanes... ugh...

[Marshal]

Cycling routes along highways are terrible. I think they should exist, but they should stop fooling themselves thinking they are providing good cycling infrastructure. Riding along the Hwy 17 "bike route" is horrendous. (noise, pollution, danger, buffeting, debris . . . ) Bike routes through tunnels would be terrible options that cyclists would use only out of necessity. Bridges are by far the best for this: fresh air, structure that often acts to separate cyclists from traffic, and VIEWS that make the experience a positive. They should propose these routes as necessary, but it is a con job to promote them as a public benifit. They can't even understand the importance of sweeping bike lanes clean, instead they just paint symbols on shoulders and forget about them.

[moosejaw]

San Diego has cycling routes along CA52 freeway just north of Mission Trails Park which is quite nice

[officedweller]

New bridge still an option for George Massey Tunnel replacement

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-tunnel-replacement-bridge

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by officedweller

New bridge still an option for George Massey Tunnel replacement

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-tunnel-replacement-bridge

I suppose cautious optimism is the way forward regarding this project?

[misher]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I suppose cautious optimism is the way forward regarding this project?

1-2 years of public feedback, 3 years of environmental reviews, and 5 years of construction.

[EastVanMark]

Originally Posted by s211

Stupid is as New West does.

Well put

[s211]

Originally Posted by officedweller

New bridge still an option for George Massey Tunnel replacement

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-tunnel-replacement-bridge

I do wonder if the deafening din of a tunnel and the impacts on pedestrians and cyclists has been fully mitigated by the tunnel proponents.

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by Marshal

Cycling routes along highways are terrible. I think they should exist, but they should stop fooling themselves thinking they are providing good cycling infrastructure. Riding along the Hwy 17 "bike route" is horrendous. (noise, pollution, danger, buffeting, debris . . . ) Bike routes through tunnels would be terrible options that cyclists would use only out of necessity. Bridges are by far the best for this: fresh air, structure that often acts to separate cyclists from traffic, and VIEWS that make the experience a positive. They should propose these routes as necessary, but it is a con job to promote them as a public benifit. They can't even understand the importance of sweeping bike lanes clean, instead they just paint symbols on shoulders and forget about them.

It’s great to see someone on this forum who has exact same thoughts when it comes to bike infrastructure. What would be a better (just better, not a proper one) solution for HWY 17 is at least to put some concrete separators like they did in Vancouver along SW Marine Dr. Those would make cyclists feel much safer and also keep bike lane cleaner from debris.
By the way I just went to Point Roberts WA from UBC this morning and had a thoughts how great would it be to be able to ride a bike all the way through, instead I must take a bus 601 or 620 to make it through the tunnel.

Untitled by Lexus, on Flickr

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by officedweller

New bridge still an option for George Massey Tunnel replacement

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-tunnel-replacement-bridge

Everyone here should post their comments to govTogetherBC (read the info in the Document Library first). The first page of the Feedback Form is a comment box for you to fill with whatever rants your heart desires (the second page is demographics).

[libtard]

Originally Posted by Lexus

It’s great to see someone on this forum who has exact same thoughts when it comes to bike infrastructure. What would be a better (just better, not a proper one) solution for HWY 17 is at least to put some concrete separators like they did in Vancouver along SW Marine Dr. Those would make cyclists feel much safer and also keep bike lane cleaner from debris.
By the way I just went to Point Roberts WA from UBC this morning and had a thoughts how great would it be to be able to ride a bike all the way through, instead I must take a bus 601 or 620 to make it through the tunnel.

Untitled by Lexus, on Flickr

HWY 17 is dangerous for bikers, I would stay away

[SpongeG]

this was on facebook, it looks weird


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