Halifax Stadium Discussion

[q12]

Originally Posted by TheNovaScotian

I respect your right to have an opinion and your right to express it, but as the same with many people, if you want to present it as fact than i would love to see the evidence that backs it......Oh wait you don't have any so really all you have is just some grip about other failed economic policies and because they involve public money they're all the same?? And are doomed to fail?
Halifax is one of the better cities in the country to hold large scale events that why the Commonwealth games bid was awarded to us and we turned it down. A international body that's sole purpose is to figure out if a city can handle LARGE scale sports events awarded it to us over Mumbai, but no we shouldn't build a sensible sized stadium to accommodate 25 000 of our 400 000 or the 1.5 million within 6 hours proximity, because the heavy water plant was a bust, that makes perfect sense to me.
I am 26 and missed the meetings because I had a lecture to attend and work the 2 other days, I was excited to see that some of the older generation that owes a bit of sensible action to the younger generation because Yes, the list goes on of failed projects that have saddled US, the younger generation with such a large debt but that doesn't mean we close up shop and count our pennies, it means we need to be more ambitious and more innovative to create the wealth needed to pay it back not austerity.

Agreed, well put. How many young people have to work evening shifts at low paying retail jobs, or were studying that couldn't attend.

[David1gray]

Originally Posted by q12

They were in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver watching an NHL game.

And the rest were at the Halifax Mooseheads game.

And there was young people in attendance. Did you take a poll at the beginning to find out everyone's age? Did they advertise the meetings at Dal and SMU, or at high schools? Probably not.

Also, many of us have jobs that we can only work in the evenings because of school. And also because of school, those who are in university, have mid-terms right now. Which would you choose? "Oh I'm going to go to this stadium meeting and not study for my mid-terms, and fail." or "I'm going to study, pass, and that way when I graduate, I can get a job." Seems like an easy choice to me.

EDIT: I see this was pointed out, my bad

[halifaxboyns]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

Well first of all the 2014 commonwealth games domestic bid was awarded to Halifax simply from the standpoint of Paul Martin interfering in the process to have the weakest Candidate City that he knew would fail in the vote. Paul Martin favored Africa hosting. Paul Martin's plan of limiting possible liability of actually having to host a ten to one money loser in the commonwealth games worked to perfection. Stephen Harper then picked up the ball and deep sixed Halifax YEAH high five

Proof please?
What book is this in? Article? Newspaper? Publishing date...etc?

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by q12

They were in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver watching an NHL game.

And the rest were at the Halifax Mooseheads game.

And there was young people in attendance. Did you take a poll at the beginning to find out everyone's age? Did they advertise the meetings at Dal and SMU, or at high schools? Probably not.

Yeah young people constitutes people with most of their hair Grey. I have watched the videos I was not at the meetings but I saw enough. Roofs over stands in the renderings means we are again being led by the nose by another European Sports Festival organization and this is going to spiral upwards like the Commonwealth Games bid cost. Gee if we have such a ground swell of support for a Stadium why are these meeting not being held on emtpy nights at the Metro Centre? There has to be 5000 koolaid drinkers in the HRM who want a stadium ? Geee Fennick take your 2000 dollar cheque and rent the largest hall you can for a rally !!!! Bet 200 people show up LOL

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by David1gray

Also, many of us have jobs that we can only work in the evenings because of school. And also because of school, those who are in university, have mid-terms right now. Which would you choose? "Oh I'm going to go to this stadium meeting and not study for my mid-terms, and fail." or "I'm going to study, pass, and that way when I graduate, I can get a job." Seems like an easy choice to me.

EDIT: I see this was pointed out, my bad

So how are you going to attend a dozen Fifa womens games in 2014 and then do the same in 2015 and then ten CFl games for the rest of your life if you can't come out and support your dream? If you are the average age of the attendees in the public meeting it means about ten seasons before you are in the old folks home. If you are a College Student you are going to probably move to where you can get work regardless of what stadiums or sports teams are in your employeers area.

[halifaxboyns]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

So how are you going to attend a dozen Fifa womens games in 2014 and then do the same in 2015 and then ten CFl games for the rest of your life if you can't come out and support your dream? If you are the average age of the attendees in the public meeting it means about ten seasons before you are in the old folks home. If you are a College Student you are going to probably move to where you can get work regardless of what stadiums or sports teams are in your employeers area.

There are some pretty big assumptions there. Are all games held during a work day between 8 and 4pm? Not usually...most events are at night, when most people can go. Same thing on weekends and holidays.

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by q12

Who wants to guess which special interest group this shadow is from?

Heritage Trust?
Save the View?
Canadian Taxpayers Federation?
or maybe that new group...
People who Complain about Everything Progressive.

what special interest are you from ? Lets bow to corrupt sports official from Fifa who in some cases are under investigation by the International Olympic committee ? Lets subsidize an entertainment venue that can't pay for the Maintenance costs via revenues like Huskie Stadium ? The old saying about Build and we they will come is a fantasy and a Kevin Costner Movie. It is not a business plan.

[halifaxboyns]

I'd have guessed just someone whose negativity needed attention.

[David1gray]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

So how are you going to attend a dozen Fifa womens games in 2014 and then do the same in 2015 and then ten CFl games for the rest of your life if you can't come out and support your dream? If you are the average age of the attendees in the public meeting it means about ten seasons before you are in the old folks home. If you are a College Student you are going to probably move to where you can get work regardless of what stadiums or sports teams are in your employeers area.

It's called a summer vacation. And CFL is not only a one week event in the middle of mid-terms. We do have downtime when we can do what we want.

Also, obviously you don't talk to many youth.... what is located in the general area of where you are going to get a job plays a HUGE role of where you accept a job. So many of my friends have said to me "Oh, you don't want to live in place X, there is absolutely nothing to do there."

[Empire]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

what special interest are you from ? Lets bow to corrupt sports official from Fifa who in some cases are under investigation by the International Olympic committee ? Lets subsidize an entertainment venue that can't pay for the Maintenance costs via revenues like Huskie Stadium ? The old saying about Build and we they will come is a fantasy and a Kevin Costner Movie. It is not a business plan.

Wow, I didn't know they had Wi-Fi at the Occupy Grand Parade site!!

[CorbeauNoir]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

So how are you going to attend a dozen Fifa womens games in 2014 and then do the same in 2015 and then ten CFl games for the rest of your life if you can't come out and support your dream?

Good thing most CFL games are held during the weekend then, genius.

I don't really get you at all. Do you consider it a point of honour that you conduct no research whatsoever when presenting an argument? All you would need to do is casually glance at the CFL's schedule to uncover that information, something you've clearly failed to accomplish.

[CorbeauNoir]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

what special interest are you from ? Lets bow to corrupt sports official from Fifa who in some cases are under investigation by the International Olympic committee ? Lets subsidize an entertainment venue that can't pay for the Maintenance costs via revenues like Huskie Stadium ? The old saying about Build and we they will come is a fantasy and a Kevin Costner Movie. It is not a business plan.

Great job not giving a straight answer to a simple question, by the way. I'm sure it's a great strategy at whatever junior high school/remedial English class your grasp of language clearly suggests you currently attend but it isn't very convincing when you're talking to actual adults.

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by CorbeauNoir

Great job not giving a straight answer to a simple question, by the way. I'm sure it's a great strategy at whatever junior high school/remedial English class your grasp of language clearly suggests you currently attend but it isn't very convincing when you're talking to actual adults.

Economics is my knowledge and economics shows Stadiums Drain tax dollars away from essential services . There are no creation of jobs with these things beyond the construction phase which is short and usually highly over priced. Again I would be in favor of an ownership group paying a 44 year loan from the provincial government such as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers have with the province of Manitoba . 140 million over 44 years imagine the interest payments

[worldlyhaligonian]

Originally Posted by Empire

Wow, I didn't know they had Wi-Fi at the Occupy Grand Parade site!!

Probably stealing somebody's signal.

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by CorbeauNoir

Good thing most CFL games are held during the weekend then, genius.

I don't really get you at all. Do you consider it a point of honour that you conduct no research whatsoever when presenting an argument? All you would need to do is casually glance at the CFL's schedule to uncover that information, something you've clearly failed to accomplish.

go to the website Field of Schemes and that is all the information one needs in regards to public funding of Stadiums and Arenas . Stadium proposals asking for public money are generally SCAMS and much of the rest of the world has caught onto that. If Stadium funding is such a great idea then I am sure the chair of the stadium sterring committee can talk to her bosses at the Royal Bank and get 60 million as a loan to the city . If the city does not want further debt then maybe you would like to take the loan for a place that you would be lucky to have 20 paying events tenents a year .

Who cares about a CFL CLOWN Football League schedule . The Fact is the youngest expansion team is the BC Lions and more expansion teams then the league has teams have come and gone since 1954. Ottawa has two teams go out of business. Montreal had multiple ownership groups go out of business and once lost their team to Baltimore. Winnipeg City had to bail out the Blue Bombers . These are cities with twice the population or more then Halifax . If the CFL is such a great idea why is it that Quebec City is building an NHL Arena instead of a stadium to host CFL ? Would that not seem like a natural rivalry between QC and Montreal ?

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by Empire

Wow, I didn't know they had Wi-Fi at the Occupy Grand Parade site!!

Lets put it this way , more citizens oppose a stadium in HRM then the occupy Grand Parade has had. Occupy Halifax probably out numbered the number of people waving the flag of Build the stadium .

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by David1gray

It's called a summer vacation. And CFL is not only a one week event in the middle of mid-terms. We do have downtime when we can do what we want.

Also, obviously you don't talk to many youth.... what is located in the general area of where you are going to get a job plays a HUGE role of where you accept a job. So many of my friends have said to me "Oh, you don't want to live in place X, there is absolutely nothing to do there."

People move to where there job is I see it in Northern Nova Scotia with the Sobeys HQ. No Stadiums there for the largest Nova Scotian Corporation and their subsidiaries. Great stock car track 100 percent privately funded outside Antigonish with 10000 seats . Hey maybe John Chisholm should put in a bid for the Fifa Womens World Cup !!!! He has the money and a facility that is more then Halifax has LOL

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by David1gray

It's called a summer vacation. And CFL is not only a one week event in the middle of mid-terms. We do have downtime when we can do what we want.

Also, obviously you don't talk to many youth.... what is located in the general area of where you are going to get a job plays a HUGE role of where you accept a job. So many of my friends have said to me "Oh, you don't want to live in place X, there is absolutely nothing to do there."

People move to where there job is I see it in Northern Nova Scotia with the Sobeys HQ. No Stadiums there for the largest Nova Scotian Corporation and their subsidiaries. They have little problem taking business grads for the Frank Sobeys school of business on the St Mary's Campus. Great stock car track 100 percent privately funded outside Antigonish with 10000 seats . Hey maybe John Chisholm, a multi-millionaire for coal mining, should put in a bid for the Fifa Womens World Cup !!!! He has the money and a facility that is more then Halifax has LOL

[Dmajackson]

shadow_warrior,

I realize this was well said by NovaScotian but I think you need to understand the life of young people.

I work full-time at a minimum wage job, and I have to pay full rent for an apartment including all the essentials (food, power, etc). As a result I work up to twelve hours a day and spend at least two more on buses getting to and from work. I would love to attend stadium and development meetings but I cannot because my work life overlaps and I cannot afford to miss work at all, even when I am sick.

The reason I work so hard is so I can stay in Halifax and not resort to moving out west (most likely Calgary). I spend my time off of work not just on this forum but also doing volunteer work in Sackville, bike advocating in Halifax, and sending off dozens of emails trying to promote high-quality developments all across HRM.

I respect everyones opinions but what needs to be realized is just because a certain group of people aren't vocal that doesn't mean they don't care for the idea.

[q12]

Originally Posted by the shadow warrior

Economics is my knowledge

Too funny. Don't quit your other job.

I think the fact that an online forum thread started in 2009 that has had some influence on getting a stadium project off the ground in Halifax, is pissing some people off.

We are one vote away from a stadium being constructed and the so called "economists of negativity" are freaking out.

Next they will bring in an expert on how stadiums are a waste of money and they will hold the event at Moncton's new stadium.