The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread - Page 19

Smevo · #**361** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 12:48 AM**

It gets more foggy in Fredericton in the spring than most coastal areas because of the abundance of melting snow and the frigid river waters, and the colder temperatures outside of the "hot" time of the day. I was surprised when I first saw it how thick it got, since I grew up by the ocean and saw my fair share of fog. It's really freaky if you're crossing a bridge in it, especially if you're walking.

mmmatt · #**362** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 1:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Smevo

It gets more foggy in Fredericton in the spring than most coastal areas because of the abundance of melting snow and the frigid river waters, and the colder temperatures outside of the "hot" time of the day. I was surprised when I first saw it how thick it got, since I grew up by the ocean and saw my fair share of fog. It's really freaky if you're crossing a bridge in it, especially if you're walking.

yeah it was definitley the worst Ive ever seen it today

Wishblade · #**363** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 1:27 AM**

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yeah it was definitley the worst Ive ever seen it today

Yeah? you should have seen the cobequid pass today. now THAT was rediculous.

Smevo · #**364** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 1:43 AM**

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Current View

I've seen it here at times when you wouldn't even be able to see the dumpsters.

mmmatt · #**365** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 1:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Smevo

I've seen it here at times when you wouldn't even be able to see the dumpsters.

lol wow, now that would be something

Smevo · #**366** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 2:09 AM**

Oh yeah, it was actually a regular occurence when I used to walk over the Trail Bridge to the Northside in the spring a few years back ('03 to be exact).

mmmatt · #**367** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 2:33 AM**

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Oh yeah, it was actually a regular occurence when I used to walk over the Trail Bridge to the Northside in the spring a few years back ('03 to be exact).

cool...yeah i wasnt here in '03, one of the very few years I wasnt in Freddy at all (ive lived here for about 1/2 my life)

mmmatt · #**368** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 2:38 AM**

"weve been spending our money on building buildings around our cess pool of a harbour, when we shoud have been cleaning it"

lol local SJ resident on ATV

Hopefully this will be taken care of in a very timely fashion, they said that 16 million leters of raw sewage are pumped into the water every day! I was under the impression that they had stopped that, and they were just waiting to clean up the damage previously done...

Wishblade · #**369** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 2:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

"weve been spending our money on building buildings around our cess pool of a harbour, when we shoud have been cleaning it"

lol local SJ resident on ATV

Hopefully this will be taken care of in a very timely fashion, they said that 16 million leters of raw sewage are pumped into the water every day! I was under the impression that they had stopped that, and they were just waiting to clean up the damage previously done...

I heard in regards to Halifax harbour that every 4 or 5 days, there was enough sewage pumped into it to fill the skydome to the top. Kind of a gross fact, I heard this a few years back.

Hopefully the new harbour cleanup will change all that.

kwajo · #**370** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 3:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

"weve been spending our money on building buildings around our cess pool of a harbour, when we shoud have been cleaning it"

lol local SJ resident on ATV

Hopefully this will be taken care of in a very timely fashion, they said that 16 million leters of raw sewage are pumped into the water every day! I was under the impression that they had stopped that, and they were just waiting to clean up the damage previously done...

naw that's a common misconception because of the name "Harbour Cleanup." Right now Saint John pumps 50% of its sewage into the harbour and Marsh Creek, the harbour cleanup money is to finance construction of another state of the art treatment facility and to build lift stations so that the remaining 50% of sewage can be treated. Eventually the tide will wash out the harbour and it'll be clean, but the real issue has always been the sewage outfalls themselves. If you walk long Harbour Passage you can see at least 2-4 very large outfall pipes that at low tide just spew sewage onto the rocks and down to the water. There is nothing preventing humans or animals from getting into direct contact with it. Same goes for Marsh Creek. There is a stream that feeds Marsh Creek near Coutenay Bay called Dutchmans Creek that is, for lack of a better term, an open sewer. There are several outfalls into this stream which naturally has barely any flow, so on any given day the water ranges from a cloudy yellow to bright blue and everything in between. You can see piles of toilet paper stuck to the branches of shrubs overhanging the stream, and worst of all it runs right beside a school.

This is why Harbour Cleanup is so important, because there are places in Saint John that are practically third world conditions when it comes to sanitation (open sewers, no warning signs, etc.), and that is unacceptable in this day in age in a modern Canadian city. I can't believe it has taken this long just to get an announcement of funding, especially since the bill is tiny on the scale of federal projects. There is some good scientific data at http://www.acapsj.com/ they have done studies with UNB on the contamination of fish in the harbour and there are a few photos of the sewage outfalls as well.

ErickMontreal · #**371** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 3:01 PM**

Ottawa hands over $26.6M for Saint John harbour cleanup

The City of Saint John has received the last chunk of the $80 million it needs for its harbour cleanup project.

Greg Thompson, New Brunswick Southwest MP and New Brunswick regional minister, hand-delivered the federal government's $26.6-million commitment to Saint John Friday morning.

Thompson said the money is available for the city to begin the cleanup as soon as possible.

Municipal operations officials say they are set to begin the project immediately.

Thompson also announced $34 million for the province to go toward projects to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and air pollutants.

The city releases 16 million litres of raw sewage into the harbour daily — the equivalent of six Olympic-sized swimming pools.

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CANADA’S NEW GOVERNMENT INVESTS UP TO $26.6 MILLION TO COMPLETE SAINT JOHN HARBOUR CLEAN UP

Saint John, New Brunswick - The Honourable Greg Thompson, Minister of Veterans Affairs and Member of Parliament for New Brunswick Southwest, on behalf of the Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities, together with the Honourable Shawn Graham, Premier of New Brunswick, and the Mayor of Saint John, Norm McFarlane, today announced that their governments have each committed up to $26.6 million to complete the Saint John Harbour Clean Up.

“The clean up of the harbour is a priority project for the city of Saint John and the people of New Brunswick, and the Prime Minister made it clear last year that it is also a priority for Canada’s New Government,” said Minister Thompson. “The health of Canadians and the environment will directly benefit from the harbour clean up.”

“We are very pleased that the federal government has joined us and the City of Saint John in providing funding for this crucial environmental project,” said Premier Graham. “Saint John Harbour Clean Up has been and continues to be one of our government’s top priorities and we look forward to the project getting under way in a timely manner.”

“Harbour Clean Up is and has been the top priority for Common Council and the citizens of Saint John. I am very thankful for the support that the Government of Canada has announced today and for the previous support announced by Prime Minister Harper last year,” said Mayor McFarlane. “I look forward to working with both the federal and provincial governments to sign the tri-party agreement as soon as possible so the clean up of our harbour can begin this spring.”

The federal investment is in addition to its earlier $2.83 million contribution announced by Prime Minister Harper in March 2006 under the Canada-New Brunswick Municipal Rural Infrastructure Fund. That investment is supporting an $8.5 million project for the initial phase to clean up Saint John Harbour that is cost shared among the Province and the City.

The City of Saint John has one of the oldest municipal water and sewage systems in North America, and currently releases untreated sewage into the harbour. Once completed, the proposed clean up project will result in the elimination of all raw sewage outfalls in Saint John. The clean up will result in long-term environmental benefits for Saint John, improve water quality within the harbour and the surrounding creeks and rivers, and have a positive impact on the region’s economy.

Financial support is conditional on meeting applicable federal and provincial requirements, including the successful completion of environmental assessments required under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, and the successful negotiation of a contribution agreement. Officials with the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency will be the federal lead on this project in support of Infrastructure Canada.

The Government of Canada’s contribution is provided through the Canada Strategic Infrastructure Fund (CSIF), which supports large-scale infrastructure projects that strengthen areas vital to sustaining economic growth and enhancing quality of life for Canadians. As well, New Brunswick communities will benefit from federal infrastructure investments of $116 million over five years through the federal Gas Tax Fund, $9.4 million in federal public transit funds, $16.5 million for broadband connectivity across the province, and $135 million for New Brunswick highway and international border crossing improvements.

Budget 2006 provided an unprecedented level of support for infrastructure of various types across Canada, including some $16.5 billion over four years.The Budget announced $6.6billion in new infrastructure funding to support both small and larger scale municipal infrastructure projects in communities across Canada.

mmmatt · #**372** Posted **Mar 16, 2007, 5:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwajo

There is a stream that feeds Marsh Creek near Coutenay Bay called Dutchmans Creek that is, for lack of a better term, an open sewer. There are several outfalls into this stream which naturally has barely any flow, so on any given day the water ranges from a cloudy yellow to bright blue and everything in between. You can see piles of toilet paper stuck to the branches of shrubs overhanging the stream, and worst of all it runs right beside a school.

Wow! thats incredibly disgusting, now Im really glad this money is coming in lol...hope it is taken care of asap

SJTOKO · #**373** Posted **Mar 17, 2007, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

heres why i dont love the fog:

Usual View (night)

Usual View (day)

Current View

GET OFF THAT BALCONY BEFORE I GET YOUR PROCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ErickMontreal · #**374** Posted **Mar 17, 2007, 10:48 PM**

I started this thread to discuss about Saint John projects and news as well. The thread became over the last few weeks a ring for the Moncton and Saint john fans. Obviously, this is not a place to elect the best city in New-Brunswick or something. Each cities have their own respective threads right now. We could to cease to compare both cities here because this kind of situation became clearly useless and annoying as well

Thank you

PersonPlaceorThing · #**375** Posted **Mar 18, 2007, 6:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

I started this thread to discuss about Saint John projects and news as well. The thread became over the last few weeks a ring for the Moncton and Saint john fans. Obviously, this is not a place to elect the best city in New-Brunswick or something. Each cities have their own respective threads right now. We could to cease to compare both cities here because this kind of situation became clearly useless and annoying as well

Thank you

The debate of the things that impact development is relevant to the overall discussion of development.

Saint John's projects only occur in the context of local, regional, provincial and larger economic conditions. In this sense, a discussion of development should include talk of how Saint John compares - both in terms of where Saint John lags behind and where Saint John stands out as a leader.

The fact that Moncton has things to brag about is a Saint John issue – we can benefit from some and are hurt by others.

The organic nature of this forum is what drew me into the discussion, not the fact that we were discussing development in a sterile environment.

Also, the Roots outlet on the east side is now open. Yee-haw. My city is on an upswing. Chain retail in place or green space excites me so much.

kwajo · #**376** Posted **Mar 18, 2007, 7:56 PM**

There's a Roots outlet in the East side now? where?

brandenp · #**377** Posted **Mar 19, 2007, 1:39 AM**

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There's a Roots outlet in the East side now? where?

Its on Retail Drive.... East Point Shopping Centre

mmmatt · #**378** Posted **Mar 19, 2007, 4:54 AM**

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GET OFF THAT BALCONY BEFORE I GET YOUR PROCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahaha

dont worry, i was just standing in my doorway...how do you know about that rule? former Tommie?

SJTOKO · #**379** Posted **Mar 19, 2007, 12:41 PM**

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hahaha

dont worry, i was just standing in my doorway...how do you know about that rule? former Tommie?

Yes...

Please up some other pics of the M&M building at STU.... I'm in Korea so I havn't had a good look...

ErickMontreal · #**380** Posted **Mar 19, 2007, 11:29 PM**

Specialty med program announced for Saint John

Saint John moved closer to having New Brunswick's first English-language medical school, as the province announced Monday that internal medicine students will do residencies at a city hospital.

Under a joint agreement between the medical school at Dalhousie University in Halifax, the Atlantic Health Sciences Corporation and the province, the students will begin postings at the Saint John Regional Hospital beginning in the summer, provincial Health Minister Mike Murphy said.

"I'm very pleased to announce that the first specialty medical training program in New Brunswick, an internal medicine program, will be established this year right here in Saint John," Murphy said in a lunch-hour speech.

Every year, two medical students specializing in internal medicine will do the first three years of their residency in Saint John, adding to the staff of 42 at the Saint John Regional.

The students will finish their residencies at Dalhousie University in Halifax, but hospital chief of internal medicine Dr. John Dornan said the internships would help improve recruitment and retention in Saint John.

"We know that where people do their specialty training is where they're most likely to spend the rest of their careers,"
Dornan said Monday.

"We are hopeful that other departments, like psychiatry and pediatrics, will follow our lead and start to train specialists in the province."

The province's first French-language school opened in Moncton in September 2006, operated jointly by the Université de Sherbrooke and the Université de Moncton.

Members of the Atlantic Health Sciences Corporation were listening closely to Murphy's speech, pleased with concrete plans like the new residency and promises to start construction on an expanded emergency room in 2006.

However, they said they still need immediate solutions to the problems of long wait times, and how to deal with a crowded ER.

"We've got 25 per cent of our beds that are tied up by discharged patients in the region now," said Dr. Michael Barry of the Atlantic Health Sciences Corporation.

"We have no place to put them. That's a provincial issue, that's a national issue, so we have to find a way we can find a place to discharge those patients in a place that's appropriate."

The Saint John medical program won't be a full-fledged English-speaking school, unlike the French school in Moncton. However, the minister said he would have another announcement soon.
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