The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

I dunno if you read the artice i posted in the moncton group but it said that in 2001-2006 northern NB decreased by 3000, whereas moncton area grew by 8000, so not all the growth is from that area as most people think

You`re right. I should say, the population came from all over new-brunswick rural areas and likely from others urban area as well. Saint John has a real concern to attracting people within New-brunwick borders that wants to immigrate in urban center. In the other hand, there are some positive signs :

"Woodside also believes population growth is in the cards for Saint John, with a handful of energy projects planned for the city in the coming years"

"Hubert Denis, a population analyst with Statistics Canada, said Saint John experienced "some kind of stabilization" in its population, while much of Moncton's growth came from movement within the province"

http://www.canadaeast.com/ce2/docroot/article.php?articleID=113361

[mmmatt]

Okay, I know i brought this up before the census...but everybody kinda ingnored it cause the census is big news...but anyways
I still dont understand this principle of the population remaining fairly constant, yet there are always buildings being built...
heres some figures that illustrate the problem i cant figure out:

Saint John (CMA)

1996 population 125,705
2006 population 122,389
change = -2.7%

1996 dwellings 47,294
2006 dwellings 53,583
change = 13.2%

how does the population decrease by 3316, and in the same time period there becomes
6289 more dwellings? I mean are there actually more than 8000 empty houses in the Saint John area?
I just dont understand.

[kwajo]

Didn't you hear, everyone in Saint John owns two homes now. Don't tell me Moncton is still living in the past, with only one dwelling per family

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by kwajo

Didn't you hear, everyone in Saint John owns two homes now. Don't tell me Moncton is still living in the past, with only one dwelling per family

hahaha I guess so...too bad really, Id like my family to own two houses, maybe they would give one to me lol...heres those same figures for moncton:

Moncton (CMA)

1996 dwellings 42,950
2006 dwellings 55,252
28.6%

1996 population 113,491
2006 population 126,424
11.3%

12302 more houses
12933 more people

that makes a bit more sense to me...but even still a lot of houses have 4 or more people, so that seems like more houses than needed

[ErickMontreal]

Harbour cleanup funds to arrive finally

Exercising along Harbour Passage in Saint John is likely to get far more enjoyable for runners such as Bill Fitzpatrick within the next few years as work progresses on the cleanup of Saint John harbour. The $80-million agreement between municipal, provincial and federal governments is expected to be completed Friday when MP Greg Thompson, regional minister for New Brunswick, is to announce the federal government will contribute roughly $26.6 million to the project. The city and province have already announced their contributions.

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Saint John harbour cleanup announcement expected Friday

A plan to clean up the Saint John harbour appears to be taking shape, as New Brunswick newspapers are reporting the federal government will pony up a third of an $80-million three-way deal on Friday.

The Telegraph-Journal reported Thursday that city leaders are expecting to be joined by New Brunswick Regional Minister Greg Thompson for a Friday-morning funding announcement.

To date, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has officially only committed $3 million to the harbour cleanup.

Earlier this month, Thompson was shy on details about the announcement of when further money for the cleanup would be confirmed, but suggested it would be soon.

"Well, you probably won't be mowing your lawn when it happens, let's put it that way," he said last Thursday.

According to local environmental group Atlantic Coastal Action Program Saint John, the city is the only one in Canada with untreated sewage in open creeks in its populated core. Sewage outfalls still release 46 per cent of Saint John's waste untreated into local creeks, rivers and the harbour itself. As part of the cleanup project, those outfalls will be shut down over the next few years and the effluent diverted to treatment plants.

The provincial government committed its $26.6 million last fall, only days after Premier Shawn Graham and his cabinet were sworn in. The city of Saint John has also agreed to contribute a third of the costs for the major project.

[skyscraper_1]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

It sure did, when the CN shops left the city in 1988 it was devestating for the city...but it took less than 10 years to get back in gear and it soon became a growth force to be reconed with...how they did it I have no idea lol..thats why the citys motto is "Resurgo" or "I Rise Again"

Better then its old motto: Moncton - We're OK.

[kwajo]

I heard a rumour about the harbour cleanup money coming this week, and reading it as confirmed in that article is making me giddy. I've been waiting 10 years for this day, it's going to be one hell of a party when it gets announced.
I don't think some people realize how big of a deal this is for the city, to have not only the harbour clean of sewage but also Marsh Creek, it will go a long long way to improving Saint John's image (the smell around Marsh Creek will be gone in 5-6 years, just imagine that, Marsh Creek having a pleasant smell - crazy isn't it?) and making our shorelines more welcoming to residents and tourists alike.

[Smevo]

Harbour cleanups are always good news.

As for the housing stock, a partial explanation would be older retirees moving to the area and building new or moving into a new subdivision, while the older homes are sitting on the real-estate market longer or (in extreme cases) waiting to be condemned and torn down. Younger people moving out of apartments in the city, but staying in the area, would also be moving out to these new subdivisions and either building or buying a newly built house. Also, the average Canadian family is getting smaller, so with smaller families but similar population sizes, you would need more houses for the population. I'm not sure how much of that new housing stock this accounts for, but it's a partial explanation anyway. It's in people's nature to want to "upgrade", so there's always a demand for new housing stock.

[mmmatt]

I guess it kinda makes sense because...

In Moncton there is 2.3 people per dwelling

In Saint John there is also about 2.3 people per dwelling

I guess families are just getting a lot smaller, so they need to continue building houses even in a shrinking city, or they could possibly be building for the future, when Saint John will most likely need many more houses

[ErickMontreal]

Hampton Inn - Live Webcam - set up on site

http://constructionsite.hamptoninnsaintjohn.com/

[mmmatt]

hey its foggy there to! lol i suppose freddy is on the same river as saint john

[kirjtc2]

It is, of course, the *Saint John* River...

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by kirjtc2

It is, of course, the *Saint John* River...

quite true...i just wish they would keep the fog to themselves lol i can usually see clear across the river to the hills on the north side from my window but now i cant see anything at all

[kwajo]

Personally I love fog, it brings to mind all the mystery and intrigue of the Bay of Fundy, with tales of privateers and ghosts, and simple fishing villages perched on top of rocks. How could you not love the fog with all of that wonderful connotative value?

[mmmatt]

heres why i dont love the fog:

Usual View (night)



Usual View (day)



Current View

[mmmatt]

its a good view besides the dumpsters hahaha

sorry i forgot that the 2nd pic is also in the summer lol

[kwajo]

And this is why I love fog:


My last trip to Grand Manan


Quispamsis

[mmmatt]

ok good point lol....but at least you can see 5 feet in those

beautiful pics btw...what kind of cam do you have?

[kwajo]

Thanks for the compliment, I have a Pentax K100 (it's a digital SLR). I love it, I've always been into photography, so I consider the money I spent on it to be well invested

[mmmatt]

nice! yeah, i just bought a new digital cam...not an SLR though its a nikon coolpix L5, 7.2mp with 5x zoom...not too bad for about 300 tax in. Someday Ill get an SLR though...when im not a poor student