Halifax Stadium Discussion

[CorbeauNoir]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

shadow warrior sounds like Paul Taylor who made the comment below on this story - http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/999779--stadium-a-no-go-for-now-premier. It seems as though shadow warrior is going all out to twist the facts and scare people off. Anyone who wants to do some research can find many 20,000 seat stadiums for under $60 million. The cost of $200 million that you quoted includes an associated amateur soccer complex - it would be more credible to give a cost on the stadium alone (do you have that information?).

This is a misconception I've seen a *lot* of. Stadium X costs Y amount, ergo every stadium with a similar capacity must also cost Y amount.

[q12]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

The Council proceedings are at this link - http://live.haligonia.ca/ . Based on the agenda schedule, it will be a while before they get to the stadium issue. Here is the agenda - http://halifax.ca/council/agendasc/111018rcAgenda.html

Anyone watching this? How are some of these councillours even elected? Gloria Mcclusky is out to lunch.

Maybe when they shrink council we can get some competent people elected that don't need things explained to them 10 times.

[Empire]

Originally Posted by q12

Anyone watching this? How are some of these councillours even elected? Gloria Mcclusky is out to lunch.

Maybe when they shrink council we can get some competent people elected that don't need things explained to them 10 times.

She actually said she won't support the motion because there is no buisness case. WOW................ She should be ejected from the chambers and told to never return if her homework is not done!

[halifaxboyns]

A lot of them don't seem to understand what's being asked, that's the impression I got of Mcclusky's comment - she's not understanding it. Councillor Hum also didn't get it. Their worry is by saying yes we're a go - they've spent the money now without the end result of the study.

I think Mr. Townsend did a very good job of summing up what the issue is and why they are here. It's a tough process considering the timeline.

[q12]

Dawn mentioned Fenwick! Good for her!

She is talking about us. I would put money into a trust fund for a stadium.

[Empire]

Originally Posted by q12

Dawn mentioned Fenwick! Good for her!

She is talking about us. I would put money into a trust fund for a stadium.

I would contribute as well ....where do I send a cheque? ...Good work Fenwick

[q12]

Originally Posted by Empire

I would contribute as well ....where do I send a cheque? ...Good work Fenwick

There are private citizens like us and also businesses that want to contribute to a stadium in Halifax. If they don't agree to put a foot forward tonight with 20 million dollars, than they just wasted money on a study plus they are giving up on private and government funding.

We are on the verge of the largest single economic boom to Halifax since recorded history.

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by q12

Dawn mentioned Fenwick! Good for her!

She is talking about us. I would put money into a trust fund for a stadium.

I am watching the proceedings on haligonia.ca. Thank you Councillor Sloane for mentioning me. I just wish that I was a billionaire and could contribute a significant amount. If there was a stadium fund set up then I would certainly be willing to contribute $2,000 dollars immediately. It would take a few thousand people to make a significant amount though. Thanks to Councillor Sloane for also mentioning the model for which I did the 3D model and an acquaintance, Ho Nguyen did the physical model; I just wish that I could go back in time and do one that was better.

I hope that a stadium can be built in time for the FIFA Cup. If not then I hope that a stadium fund will be set up for contributions from individuals. It worked in Green Bay so why not Halifax?

[Waye Mason]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

I hope that a stadium can be built in time for the FIFA Cup. If not then I hope that a stadium fund will be set up for contributions from individuals. It worked in Green Bay so why not Halifax?

I've been saying this for months. Why don't all the CFL boosters do a share offer like Saskatchewan, get a couple mil in the bank and prove that the support is there? Right now, its just "he said she said." No substance.

http://www.riderville.com/page/shares

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by Waye Mason

I've been saying this for months. Why don't all the CFL boosters do a share offer like Saskatchewan, get a couple mil in the bank and prove that the support is there? Right now, its just "he said she said." No substance.

http://www.riderville.com/page/shares

Yes, it should have been done but up until about a year ago there wasn't much talk about a stadium in the Halifax-area at the government level. In order for it to be successful there would have to be trusted people in high-up positions as trustees of the funds. It would also be a good idea to have a stadium conceptual model and site so people know what they are contributing to.

[halifaxboyns]

Good for Dawn - bringing up that the community is in and wanting to contribute. Love it. So both Waye and Fenwick's point has been brought up on the record. Good on you.

I wonder if people could also do something along the line of what the Winnipeg NHL fans did - if someone comes along with a team and there is concern about cost - setup a payment plan? Pre-sell 3 years worth of tickets?

[q12]

So the motion passed on the $20 million for the stadium?

[halifaxboyns]

Originally Posted by q12

So the motion passed on the $20 million for the stadium?

Yes

[q12]

Originally Posted by halifaxboyns

Yes

Thank god. That would have been embarrassing.

[halifaxboyns]

Originally Posted by q12

Thank god. That would have been embarrassing.

I understand some of the frustration though. You have this project that's going on with public consultation and then all of a sudden your being asked to ear mark money (only on paper) to a project where you don't know how big it will be, where it will go.

I really commend Mr. Townsend (director of Planning and Infrastructure) for explaining it the way he did. I think he did a pretty good job and his 'ideal world' scenario was pretty good at calming many down. Granted the Watts and Barkhouse voted no and would've voted no even if the most glorious business case there making millions of $.

[RyeJay]

Your turn, Dexter.

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by halifaxboyns

I understand some of the frustration though. You have this project that's going on with public consultation and then all of a sudden your being asked to ear mark money (only on paper) to a project where you don't know how big it will be, where it will go.

I really commend Mr. Townsend (director of Planning and Infrastructure) for explaining it the way he did. I think he did a pretty good job and his 'ideal world' scenario was pretty good at calming many down. Granted the Watts and Barkhouse voted no and would've voted no even if the most glorious business case there making millions of $.

Any time that I have watched the HRM proceedings, I have been very impressed. The staff representatives and Councillors talk in a very straightforward, honest manner. Mr Townsend was great in his explanation of the situation - hopefully he will have a chance to explain it all to Premier Dexter.

PS: They should wait until October 20th to speak to Premier Dexter. If Irving Shipyards gets the big shipbuilding contract tomorrow then he will be in a good mood.

PS: I think that people should start writing to Premier Dexter about the benefits of a stadium. Here is his email address - [email protected]

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

Any time that I have watched the HRM proceedings, I have been very impressed. The staff representatives and Councillors talk in a very straightforward, honest manner. Mr Townsend was great in his explanation of the situation - hopefully he will have a chance to explain it all to Premier Dexter.

PS: They should wait until October 20th to speak to Premier Dexter. If Irving Shipyards gets the big shipbuilding contract tomorrow then he will be in a good mood.

PS: I think that people should start writing to Premier Dexter about the benefits of a stadium. Here is his email address - [email protected]

I wonder what the Premier would reply with. 'Dear Nova Scotian Citizen how much is another HRM white Elephant going to cost the taxpayer ? So far I see and estimate of 60 million dollars to be deposited an abandoned quarry at Dartmouth Crossing. My government has to straighten out the finances of this province freezing the Health Care budget for the last two years and cutting the health care budget by 3 percent next year . I don't look forward be presented with lay offs of nurses at the QE 2 Hospital.'

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by Waye Mason

I've been saying this for months. Why don't all the CFL boosters do a share offer like Saskatchewan, get a couple mil in the bank and prove that the support is there? Right now, its just "he said she said." No substance.

http://www.riderville.com/page/shares

Well Waye the question is are there enough CFL fans in Nova Scotia to support a team for 20 years or more ? Considering a couple of years ago the defunct Daily News (remember that newspaper, they were a 2014 Commonwealth Games bid sponsor) ran an article on the Grey Cup gathering in a pub in Halifax. A grand total of 3 people showed up. The defunct Daily News had reporters go to every bar in Halifax and no bar had anyone interested in the Grey Cup to turn the channel or get the patrons away from the swinging bells machines.

Consider how the Winnipeg Blue Bombers new stadium is being financed . Of the nearly 200 million dollars for a 33,000 seat stadium the province of Manitoba has loaned 140 million to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to be paid back over 44 years. Sounds like the province Manitoba knows that CFL football is not a big tax generator.

[the shadow warrior]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

I am watching the proceedings on haligonia.ca. Thank you Councillor Sloane for mentioning me. I just wish that I was a billionaire and could contribute a significant amount. If there was a stadium fund set up then I would certainly be willing to contribute $2,000 dollars immediately. It would take a few thousand people to make a significant amount though. Thanks to Councillor Sloane for also mentioning the model for which I did the 3D model and an acquaintance, Ho Nguyen did the physical model; I just wish that I could go back in time and do one that was better.

I hope that a stadium can be built in time for the FIFA Cup. If not then I hope that a stadium fund will be set up for contributions from individuals. It worked in Green Bay so why not Halifax?

But your generous offer falls short the cost estimate is 3000 dollars per seat if the 60 million dollar cost estimate is indeed right. We are talking Fifa here and they will string a host community out to bankruptcy to suit their vaulted egos. The new Kansas City Soccer stadium is more in line on the high side with a realistic estimate http://www.sportingkc.com/news/2010/12/2011-gold-cup-kc-soccer-stadium

18000 seats under 100 percent cover 180 million dollars. This was done so Kansas City could be able to host Fifa Concacaf Gold Cup games.

I would be totally in favor of a stadium in the HRM if it was paid for by the users 100 percent. Paying for someone else's hobby with taxpayer dollars is a route to doing without essential services. We see that with the cuts to health care and education in Nova Scotia. Moncton actually has a stadium seat buying campaign that was highly successful prior to the Iaaf world juniors.