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Old Posted Jul 31, 2008, 11:49 PM
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Oh I see it now, thanks for the large screen shot! The east facing side of the building just appeared to run up the building continuously with no setbacks until it met at the top, wrapping itself down the other side
     
     
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From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/08/01/0801bartoncreek.html

BARTON CREEK SQUARE EXPANSION

Hotel project at Barton Creek Square?
Developers to meet with neighborhoods about Southwest Austin mall site.

By Shonda Novak

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Friday, August 01, 2008

An Austin development company is considering constructing a 275-room hotel and two multistory office buildings in the northeast parking area of Barton Creek Square in Southwest Austin. Though the plans are preliminary, the proposed project over sensitive land in the Barton Springs watershed is stirring some neighborhood and environmental concerns.

Brad Greenblum, an Austin attorney representing the developer, declined to identify his client.

City Council Member Brewster McCracken said he was shown very preliminary conceptual plans of the project at a meeting in April with Greenblum and Sam Houston, the office division partner at HPI Real Estate Services and Investments Inc. McCracken said he told Houston and Greenblum that he would favor a project with more of a village square or town center feel, with parks, sidewalks and the like, "and this did not look like that. I thought it looked a little more suburban." McCracken recalled that the office buildings had perhaps four or five stories, and the hotel had about seven to 10 stories.

McCracken said he also told Greenblum and Houston that he favored public input, "and they said they were going to go through a public process at some point if they went forward."

Houston declined to comment.

Representatives of two neighborhood groups said Greenblum contacted them about the project, and a meeting is scheduled for Tuesday evening, when Greenblum will present the plan and get feedback.

"We thought we'd talk to the neighbors to get some insight," Greenblum said. "We don't have a design or site plan yet."

Jim Nash, chairman of the South Bee Cave Woods Neighborhood Association, which represents about 360 households near the mall, said the additional traffic such a project would generate will be a topic of discussion.

"We certainly have concerns," Nash said. "People are trying to promote a denser downtown core, but at the same time, we have neighborhood needs to look after as well. ... We want to see their plan to make sure (traffic) doesn't get any worse, and we want to make sure it won't loom over our neighborhood."

With few details about the project, Nash said, "we want to remain neutral until we know what the heck it's about." The nearby Treemont Homeowners Association also was notified about the project.

The South Bee Cave Woods newsletter said the association "was informed by representatives of Barton Creek Square Mall that they are working on a proposal" for the project, which would include as much as 325,000 square feet of office space and a hotel with meeting and party facilities, an upscale restaurant and underground, above-ground and surface parking.

According to the newsletter, Greenblum told the association that a "significant amount of time and money" has been spent on design, traffic and parking studies, and other preliminary efforts.

Les Morris, a spokesman for Simon Property Group, which owns Barton Creek Square, declined to comment on possible expansion at the mall.

It's not clear how much of the parking lot the project would occupy. Dillard's and Macy's have entrances off the northeast parking lot, which also is used for viewing the city's Fourth of July fireworks display.

About a month ago, Nash said, Greenblum told him he hoped to file plans with the city within 90 days.

Bill Bunch, executive director of the Save Our Springs Alliance, an environmental watchdog group, said he didn't know enough about the project to comment fully. But, he said, "increasing traffic over the aquifer will increase pollution of the aquifer. So, yes, we are concerned."

McCracken said that an ordinance passed last year allows for new projects on developed property as long as the plans meet water quality standards of the Save Our Springs ordinance that voters passed in 1992. He said such projects would not have to comply with the ordinance's impervious-cover standards, which limit the amount of asphalt, buildings and other surfaces that water can't penetrate.

The project is being considered at a time when Austin's office vacancy rate has been ticking up, with several new buildings wanting for tenants.

But office brokers say that because Austin is a comparatively small market, the situation could change quickly if there were two or three major corporate expansions or relocations.

Jeff Coddington, a senior vice president with Oxford Commercial, said the mall site would make "an interesting hotel and office building location simply because the views off that corner are fantastic."

The neighborhood meeting is scheduled for 7 p.m. Tuesday at Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church, 3525 Bee Cave Road.
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2008, 4:31 AM
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The overall shape is similar, but some of the details are quite a bit different. The balconies are more prominent, especially on the upper floors. The crown is different, more integrated with the building, not so much like a "hat" now. But overall I like the changes. Looks great!
     
     
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Disagree about The Austonian. The new design looks more condoish and in my opinion doesn't belong on Congress Ave. The old design was bolder and made a bigger statement. Being the tallest building in our city I think its important to make a more profound impression, but this new design fails in my eyes.

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I don't know if I like it or not its to different looking but yet its almost the same . I personally liked both designs and wish they would build both one on co and one on another street.
     
     
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From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/08/01/0801soco.html

SOUTH CONGRESS AVENUE
Dick Clark's latest production: Boutique hotel on South Congress

By Lori Hawkins

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Friday, August 01, 2008

A new boutique hotel is in the works for one of the last empty lots of South Congress Avenue.

Austin architect Dick Clark confirmed that he has signed on to design the project on the block south of Congress Avenue Baptist Church but declined to comment further.

The land, which is owned by the church, for years has been a parking lot for shoppers visiting SoCo's eclectic mix of boutiques, cafes and antique shops. Hey Cupcake also sells cupcakes from a silver Airstream trailer parked on the lot. Hey Cupcake owner Wesley Hurt said he wasn't familiar with the church's plans but hopes to stay on the lot or at least in the vicinity.

The church, which plans to lease the land to developers, declined to comment on the

project, saying negotiations still are in the preliminary stages. Late last month, the church closed the lot, posting signs stating "No parking. Construction zone."

The church referred questions to Jeff Coddington, senior vice president at Oxford Commercial, a commercial real estate firm. He said it was too early to comment.

The new hotel would be near two other South Congress hotels: the upscale Hotel San Jose, which has 40 rooms and is undergoing an 18-room expansion, and the retro Austin Motel, which has 41 rooms. Hotel San Jose owner Liz Lambert also is renovating the Miller-Crockett House Bed and Breakfast on Academy Drive, just east of South Congress.

Austin Motel owner Dottye Dean said she thinks the area easily could support another small hotel. "Tourists are really discovering Austin, and there's so much demand. We have people call all the time and say, 'What do you mean you're full?' There's plenty of room for others."

Rob Lippincott, co-owner of Güero's restaurant on South Congress and a co-developer of the 04 office and retail project next door, agrees.

"I hear all the time from folks who have flown in for the night to see someone at the Continental Club and they would love to stay nearby, but the hotels are often full," he said. "If we can find a way to keep them on South Congress, that's good for everyone."
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top half of Van Zandt project cut

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2008/08/04/story1.html?b=1217822400^1677422

Friday, August 1, 2008
Condos, top half of skyscraper cut
Credit crunch and condo boom blamed for changes to Van Zandt project
Austin Business Journal - by Laura Hipp ABJ Staff

The Hotel Van Zandt will open in 2010 without the 55 condominiums previously planned for the top of the boutique hotel.

San Diego-based JMI Realty LLC has scrapped blueprints for the condos that would have ranged in price from $500,000 to $2 million.

The rocky banking environment and numerous condo projects pending in Austin prompted JMI to step back, Senior Vice President Greg Clay says.

"I bet there are five other projects [in Austin] trying to get capitalized that likely won't because the national residential market is in such disarray," Clay says.

The building's height was reduced by nearly half to 16 stories, he says. Plans to have roughly 300 rooms in the hotel have not changed. Construction should begin in November and be finished by September 2010.

The project's cost, once estimated at $125 million, will be slightly more than $90 million.

The development will be next to The Shore, a 192-condo project by High Street Residential Inc. Both sites are located where Red River Street ends at Davis Street, in a part of downtown known as the Rainey Street area or the Waterfront District.

The Hotel Van Zandt is JMI Realty's first project in Texas. Much of JMI's portfolio is in San Diego, including Petco Park, where the San Diego Padres play.

Clay says the hotel will be similar to the Hotel Solamar in San Diego -- with an Austin flair, of course.

Kimpton Hotels & Restaurant Group LLC will manage the hotel. JMI is in talks with Austin chef Kevin Williamson of Ranch 616 to develop a restaurant and bar, Clay says.

JMI will consider developing other projects in Austin once the economy improves, Clay says. In 2009, the developer will open an office at 111 Congress Ave., which will be its second in the country.

Clays says lenders were more interested in funding the hotel portion of the development.

"The debt market is more difficult than the equity markets," Clay says. "We were lucky to find a lender who was willing to do ground-up hotel construction."

He says there will be few hotel construction projects in Texas securing loans through 2009.

Austin should expect other condo projects to change plans in light of the economy, economist Ray Perryman says. Some developments may convert to apartments and become condos once the market improves.

"The mortgage situation has made it very difficult," Perryman says. "It's difficult to get projects financed right now."

Lenders are nervous, and buyers cannot easily secure mortgages, he says. The problem stretches across all U.S. housing markets.

"As for the fundamental of supply and demand, nothing has changed," Perryman says. "If 1 percent of the people in Austin decide to live downtown, it will fill up everything there."

There are more than 4,000 condos under construction or planned downtown.

Clay says the primary competition for his condos would have been the W Austin Hotel & Residences, Four Season Residences and the Austonian.

"We've got concerns about the depth" of the market, he says.

JMI's headquarters also provided an early lesson.

"One reason we were so convinced to not do condos when things look crowded is because of what we watched happened in San Diego," Clay says. "They're already converting condos for sale to rental."

JMI walked away from $3 million spent so far on items related to the condo portion of the development, he says. The total cost of the condos would have exceeded $50 million.

Staff is revising blueprints for the hotel, Clay says. Kansas City, Mo.-based Walton Construction Co. LLC remains the general contractor, and bidding for subcontractors will reopen in October.

Strong interest is expected from subcontractors, who will need business as the economy slowly recovers.

"Our hope is this is one of the few projects subcontractors can bite into and get aggressive on," Clay says.

"Austin -- and Texas, in general -- has seen good times the last 20 years," he adds. "But as this slowdown makes its way into every state, I think that the community is going to feel the drop off in construction starts."



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Biz Journals story on Austonian

Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 1:33 PM CDT | Modified: Friday, August 1, 2008 - 10:31 AM
Developer: Austonian proceeding as planned
Austin Business Journal

Seeking to dispel rumors that the luxury condo project is in trouble, developers of The Austonian on Thursday held a news conference on the building's recently completed 10th floor, unveiling new renderings and offering assurances that the 56-story tower will be completed as planned.

The Spanish company behind the $250 million project, Grupo Villar Mir, "believes in Austin and the long-term health of this market," says Terry Mitchell, strategic marketing director for the tower. Mitchell called "almost comical" the rumors percolating in the market that the developer might finish the lower floors and hold-off construction on the tower itself, or even change the use of the building altogether. Today, reporters were shown that work has already begun on the building's 11th floor, the first residential floor above the 10th floor amenity level that will include a pool, dog park, cabanas and other features.

Still, the development team declined to say how many of the building's 188 units have been sold, citing company policy. Mitchell did say the project brought in $6 million in sales in the last four weeks. About 75 percent of the buyers so far are Austin-area residents, he says.

A little over a month ago, Gottesman Residential, the company that had been tapped to sell The Austonian's units was replaced by another local brokerage company, Moreland Properties. Mitchell says while both companies are good, they offer different expertise, and a decision was made to go with a larger group that could reach a wider audience.

Asked why he believes the rumors about the project's health have persisted, Mitchell says he believes it's the competition. There are more than 2,000 condo units under construction across Central Austin with another 2,000 or so planned in projects that have yet to break ground.

"In all my years in the real estate business, it's usually the competition that's the source of rumors," Mitchell says.

When it's completed in spring 2010, The Austonian will be the tallest skyscraper in Austin, roughly 170 feet taller than Frost Bank Tower.

Benchmark Development, the Austin-based subsidiary of Grupo Villar Mir, is the developer of The Austonian. Ziegler Cooper Architects of Houston designed the project, and Balfour Beatty Construction is the contractor.
     
     
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There are more than 2,000 condo units under construction across Central Austin with another 2,000 or so planned in projects that have yet to break ground.

"In all my years in the real estate business, it's usually the competition that's the source of rumors," Mitchell says.
Wow.


Finally a city in the Sunbelt adding just as many residents in its center as its suburbs.

Keep up the good work Austin, lets just hope that the local housing crisis isn't as major of a problem as it is for Miami.
     
     
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give your thanks to our city council, austin wouldn't be the same without Mayor Wynn and the council (minus morrison, of course!)

let me remind anyone that doesn't check the austin thread much that Austin is trying to get 25k people downtown by 2015. City politicians are trying to have a dense downtown for smart growth. When you look at the prediction for population in 2050, Austin will grow exponentially. The time to change the way we view Austin is now. Buildings will get bigger, hippies will always complain, dumbasses will call these buildings "Eye sores". Without smart growth we will see miles and miles of suburban growth to keep up with high population absorption in the next decades.
     
     
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Just some observations over recent news...

I would think that if there was some kind of reliable mass transit system downtown, MONORAIL for example, developers could build a ton of these high rise condo buildings and they would most certainly be occupied @ well over 90%. I believe the main hindrance right now to building out too many of these things is that local transportation is kind of a pain.

Also, with the weak dollar, units in one these condos is a steal if you're a European investor, or just someone from overseas looking for a vacation home in the US. I mean doesn't it take like 2 US dollars to make 1 Euro or British Pound?

Back to monorail: I hope someday one of these gets built (probably won't be in my lifetime though). It's perfect for heavily developed and congested areas since it's elavated, this also makes it very safe as there is no chance of train/pedestrian accidents. Further more, building a full on subway network in Austin is just not feasible due to the shallow limestone, etc; PLUS a monorail is more fun to ride on than a subway (where the view out the window is darkness- and rats if you're lucky). At least with monorail you can SEE and FEEL the pulse of the city!!
     
     
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fyi:
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very OLD site
     
     
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I'll skip the monorail jokes since we have been down that road several times. But what is up with Emporis? A large chunk of Austin's building info has been missing all day.
     
     
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As for the Austonian, it looks to me that the new design will no longer have the brilliant white lit "crown" that the old design had. Thoughts on this?
     
     
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^^^ I don't believe the design has really changed. Like shanny says I think it's just the new angle that is throwing us off. Other than what looks like some added detail, I don't believe anything of significance has actually been added or removed.
     
     
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Just some observations over recent news...

I would think that if there was some kind of reliable mass transit system downtown, MONORAIL for example, developers could build a ton of these high rise condo buildings and they would most certainly be occupied @ well over 90%. I believe the main hindrance right now to building out too many of these things is that local transportation is kind of a pain.
An argument I could see popping up is people complaining that an elevated train going around downtown would block views of the capitol, depending on where the lines run, but really the most practical mass transit system for Austin is lightrail.
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I just think it's the angle and level of detail. But I for one like the look of this building more now.
     
     
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It does appear there is some difference in the design, this would if it is true make this at least the 2nd change of what was a very nice design. The crown/visor that W. Austin mentioned was omitted some time back if I remember correctly. The picture above shows the penthouse portion seems to have changed significantly. I actually like the top portion more than the previous white maintenance shed of the former design.
     
     
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