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nomarandlee · #**341** Posted **Aug 10, 2007, 7:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by forumly_chgoman

Definitley, my long term wish is to see highrise style development essentially all he way to the river....

I have often thought about how nice that would be. For me getting those Division St. high rises built would have the biggest impace towards that end. I wish someone had some more information on how they were coming along.

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......I was aware of all these proposal save for the mentioned 3 story one near clybourn...do you have details, renderings, website etc.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...387853&page=10
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Sir Isaac Newton · #**342** Posted **Aug 10, 2007, 7:32 PM**

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I agree wholeheartedly and I apparently cannot type to boot......I was aware of all these proposal save for the mentioned 3 story one near clybourn...do you have details, renderings, website etc.

SoNo I think is rumored to be near commencement, & I think those towers along division are a pretty good bet

Here is an article:

http://www.suntimes.com/business/314...city27.article

There are also some renderings and other details on pages 9 and 10 of the Lincoln Park Development board at SSC.

forumly_chgoman · #**343** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sir Isaac Newton

Here is an article:

http://www.suntimes.com/business/314...city27.article

There are also some renderings and other details on pages 9 and 10 of the Lincoln Park Development board at SSC.

Thanks ...now i remember readingf about this

i_am_hydrogen · #**344** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 3:08 AM**

As interesting as this discussion is, and I mean that without sarcasm, we're supposed to be talking about the Elysian.

dvidler · #**345** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 3:30 AM**

A bit off topic but what is happening with the building across the street that held Gino's Pizza?

VivaLFuego · #**346** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 6:17 AM**

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A bit off topic but what is happening with the building across the street that held Gino's Pizza?

I've been wondering that too, it looks basically abandoned, I have a strong suspicion the owner doesn't intend to renovate or maintain what's currently there

which makes me apprehensive about what might replace it.

Knightwing · #**347** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 4:14 PM**

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So are both of those other lots in this shot also in development now? That neighborhood is gonna transform overnight.

Thats a good thing.

dubai 1 · #**348** Posted **Aug 11, 2007, 10:17 PM**

whats the base ? x ? for the tower alone not including the part next to it

Alliance · #**349** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 2:17 PM**

Too bad we couldn't have gotten a 700' version of Opus there in the background and and a 26 story version of Elysian.

There is a concrete/stone infestation in the North Side. Someone call Daley.

djvandrake · #**350** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 8:54 PM**

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There is a concrete/stone infestation in the North Side. Someone call Daley.

Some find it a nice counterpoint to the predominant glass in streeterville and LSE. Don't get me wrong because I love those glass towers. I just think a little variety is a good thing. Lagrange has gotten a bad rap for this tower. I love it and 10 East Delaware next door.

Alliance · #**351** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 9:08 PM**

I believe Variety is a good thing, I'm just not seeing it in the Northside. Thats why I'm not particularly excited about this development.

Its why buildings like Intercontinental North and 680 N Rush are very important.

honte · #**352** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 10:24 PM**

^ This is true. It's quite interesting how the play of time and culture can cause certain areas to have very distinct architectural feelings. Eastern River North and Gold Coast are decidedly tamer, more masonry, and more compromised. Streeterville is becoming more progressive, better design overall, and with a far richer materials palette. This building might actually look better if it were in Streeterville (although IMO not much can help the poor thing).

Alliance · #**353** Posted **Aug 12, 2007, 11:07 PM**

Nowhereman1280 · #**354** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 12:00 AM**

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Some find it a nice counterpoint to the predominant glass in streeterville and LSE. Don't get me wrong because I love those glass towers. I just think a little variety is a good thing. Lagrange has gotten a bad rap for this tower. I love it and 10 East Delaware next door.

Predominant glass in streeterville? What are you talking about? This isn't in streeterville nor would I say glass is predominant there. Maybe it will be in a few years when all the construction there is built out, but its definitely not now...

Anyhow, this building is in the Gold Coast isn't it? The GC is infested with nasty concrete buildings that look like shit, it definately needs more glass (Walton on the Park helps a bit with that) and less concrete or it will look like crap for years to come...

That said, if this building turns out like the Park Hyatt, I won't mind at all, that building is pretty darn good when all is said and done. I love how skinny these two buildings (Park Hyatt and Elysian) are, so at least that's good!

djvandrake · #**355** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 12:36 AM**

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Predominant glass in streeterville? What are you talking about? This isn't in streeterville nor would I say glass is predominant there. Maybe it will be in a few years when all the construction there is built out, but its definitely not now...

You nailed exactly what I was talking about. Most of the new projects that are going up in Streeterville (and definitely LSE) are far more modern and feature a mostly glass curtainwall.

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Anyhow, this building is in the Gold Coast isn't it? The GC is infested with nasty concrete buildings that look like shit, it definately needs more glass (Walton on the Park helps a bit with that) and less concrete or it will look like crap for years to come...

That said, if this building turns out like the Park Hyatt, I won't mind at all, that building is pretty darn good when all is said and done. I love how skinny these two buildings (Park Hyatt and Elysian) are, so at least that's good!

Yes this project is in the gold coast. So is Ten East Deleware. 55 East Erie features a lot of glass, Walton on the Park, and so does 680 N. Rush, so there is a touch of that moderninity coming to that area.

I think that there is nothing wrong with the buildings like this one that are reproductionist in style of the more classical era. This project will very likley turn out as well as the Park Hyatt tower. It's marketed to very high end clientele so it must be quality materials. Remember that those opening this tower are hoping to launch a new high end hotel chain with it, so they'll need it to be a flagship for the image of their brand. They'll spare little expense. When I think of the Gold Coast I think of this type of style, more classical, old world and old class. Buildings that have defined that region for generations are the Palmolive Building and The Drake Hotel. New development may want to cater to that to attract the type of client with $$$$ that is looking for the image of old world style.

When I think of Streeterville, most of River North and Lakeshore East, I think of new, innovative (mostly) hip designs that feature mostly glass and are marketed to a younger more progressive buyer.

Anywho, those are my impressions as a tourist and a Chicago resident wannabe. I'm sure those of you who live there have a far more indepth impression.

honte · #**356** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 12:56 AM**

^ I don't think you're far off. Much closer than a lot of locals!

I would like to think that the upper class knows good materials and taste, but a lot of the junk you see built on the Near North for multi-millions seems to counter this idea. As far as Elysian, I believe the facade will be majority tinted precast concrete, like Park Hyatt.

Alliance · #**357** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 4:47 AM**

Its why buildings like CS, Aqua, and Legacy are redefining class. The Northside needs to follow suit.

I'd rather have "reproductionist" building actually be reporductions and not plastic mold knockoffs. And there's not much thats reproductionist about a 700' victorian inspired building. IMO, its just a bunch of cheap money, people searching for class without the knowledge of what class is. At least thats what I see in it. I'd rather see cheap glass scrapers than cheap imitations of traditional low rise architecture.

10023 · #**358** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 6:13 AM**

Why can't Chicago get a single new building in an older style that's actually decent? It's possible at higher price points, like the Elysian. Lucien Lagrange has a lot to learn from Robert Stern. I walk past 15 Central Park West almost every day and it's shaping up to be a nice looking building. Why? Because they clad the thing in limestone.

Alliance · #**359** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 12:31 PM**

oooooooooh...actual rock.

Vertigo · #**360** Posted **Aug 13, 2007, 1:33 PM**

It's funny how so many people blast Asian cities for erecting residential complexes that look the same and reflect a repetiitive style. Yet when something like this is proposed everyone moans 'Oh, there's not enough glass' or 'It's not modern enough'.

I don't think this building will look as cheap and tacky as many are making it out to be.

Nor do I think it will look as aged and well worn as some of the renderings are deplicting.

And that's OK too. Simply the sheer variety of residential towers going up in Chicago will ensure that a wide range of tastes and styles will be available to the discriminating buyer.

It's interesting that so many Eurpoean cities are erecting these ultramodern designs that have absolutely no connection to their architectural past. Yet in Chicago we can get away with building structures with French foo foo tops and actally get away with it. Go figure....

When I see the Elysian, you might be surprised to know what building it reminds me of. Nope, it's not the Park Hyatt. Instead, it makes me think of the University Club on Michigan Avenue.

Is the Elysian a 'cheap' when compared to this incredibly intricate building?

Yes

But guess what....so are the dozens of glass skyscrapers going up throughout the city. So to think that someone has more taste simply because they choose to live in one of these more 'hip' buildings is ludricous.

EVERYTHING now pales in comparison to the craftmanship found in those historic buildings. But rather than bow or heads and realize 'we can never build them like that again..' I believe in celebrating those designs and updating them for a new generation.

Buildings such as the Elysian remind me of the people that 100 years ago worked so hard to build this city into one of the greatest in the world. Revisiting these classic styles is like paying tribute to those individuals. Unlike, many places in the world that view skyscrapers as a way to modernize their city, I applaud Chicago for not forgetting where it came from and respecting that legacy as well as forging ahead with a modern outlook as well.