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[lzppjb]

Originally Posted by urbancore

1221 S Congress.

It’s one of the State House buildings.

Thanks. Not as far south as I was hoping.

[paul78701]

Originally Posted by lzppjb

Thanks. Not as far south as I was hoping.

I'm not sure how far south you were hoping, but this new development is definitely helping to fill the gap between SoCo and downtown. It would be quite astounding/impressive to someday see a more constant flow of pedestrian traffic all the way through and in between both areas. All the more reason to have the recent Congress Ave proposal continue further south than just the bridge. IMHO

[chinchaaa]

Originally Posted by paul78701

I'm not sure how far south you were hoping, but this new development is definitely helping to fill the gap between SoCo and downtown. It would be quite astounding/impressive to someday see a more constant flow of pedestrian traffic all the way through and in between both areas. All the more reason to have the recent Congress Ave proposal continue further south than just the bridge. IMHO

Yea, it's really astounding to see how different South Congress will be this time next year.

[We vs us]

Originally Posted by chinchaaa

Yea, it's really astounding to see how different South Congress will be this time next year.

The flow between north and south will improve mightily when the Statesman site/South Shore plan finally starts building out.

[paul78701]

Originally Posted by We vs us

The flow between north and south will improve mightily when the Statesman site/South Shore plan finally starts building out.

Don't forget the potential sale and redevelopment of the Texas School for the Deaf.

[Jdawgboy]

Originally Posted by paul78701

Don't forget the potential sale and redevelopment of the Texas School for the Deaf.

There is already pushback on selling the school. It's starting to look like if any land is going to be put up at all, maybe the strip along Congress but the state is getting a lot of complaints from parents/alumni and students. Even several state lawmakers are starting to oppose the idea. What will likely happen instead is the idea to sell will bolster the need for the state to invest more into the upkeep of the school.

[lzppjb]

Originally Posted by paul78701

I'm not sure how far south you were hoping, but this new development is definitely helping to fill the gap between SoCo and downtown. It would be quite astounding/impressive to someday see a more constant flow of pedestrian traffic all the way through and in between both areas. All the more reason to have the recent Congress Ave proposal continue further south than just the bridge. IMHO

Selfish reasons. My family has a parcel far south. Hoping development continues from both directions.

[Jdawgboy]

Originally Posted by lzppjb

Selfish reasons. My family has a parcel far south. Hoping development continues from both directions.

I think it will. I've said this before over the years but I will continue to say it. There will be a shift in growth patterns from north to south. It's been in increments but we will see a larger shift as time goes on.

[lzppjb]

https://communityimpact.com/local-ne...-south-austin/

Moontower owner bringing a pub/burger joint called Brick Top's to the area. It's going in the southernmost suite facing Manchaca Road. It's next to Shogun, the Japanese restaurant, and a donut shop.

It's basically under the last 'r' in "Indian Roller" on the map I previously posted.

[drummer]

Originally Posted by lzppjb

[url]It's basically under the last 'r' in "Indian Roller" on the map I previously posted.

This was oddly helpful in finding the location, haha. Thanks!

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by paul78701

All the more reason to have the recent Congress Ave proposal continue further south than just the bridge. IMHO

Congress south of the bridge (technically south of Riverside) is covered by Project Connect. If that passes, it will substantially change the street profile.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

It's been in increments but we will see a larger shift as time goes on.

It's been in increments? So you're claiming there's already the start of a shift? Based on what?


Unless something changes in Austin's regulatory regime, for the foreseeable future growth in the north will outweigh growth in the south. There's so many more environmental restraints in the south (Karst, Edwards recharge zone, etc.) that development in the south will continue to be more spread out and less dense.

You've also got the fact that Austin's city limits are unequal, stretching much more to the north than to the south (of downtown/the river). This means the one municipality most interested in encouraging density will be doing more of that in the North.

Also transit service(and the density it encourages and enables) will be more present to the north (both because of the city of Austin's geographic shape but also because the other member cities are to the north). For example https://capmetro.org/service_maps/service_area.aspx

[Jdawgboy]

Originally Posted by Novacek

It's been in increments? So you're claiming there's already the start of a shift? Based on what?


Unless something changes in Austin's regulatory regime, for the foreseeable future growth in the north will outweigh growth in the south. There's so many more environmental restraints in the south (Karst, Edwards recharge zone, etc.) that development in the south will continue to be more spread out and less dense.

You've also got the fact that Austin's city limits are unequal, stretching much more to the north than to the south (of downtown/the river). This means the one municipality most interested in encouraging density will be doing more of that in the North.

Also transit service(and the density it encourages and enables) will be more present to the north (both because of the city of Austin's geographic shape but also because the other member cities are to the north). For example https://capmetro.org/service_maps/service_area.aspx

Actually I would argue that the fact that we have environmentally sensitive areas that will cause more density in the areas that are not in the sensitive areas. You also seem to forget southeast Austin is part of south Austin. Starting to see a lot of new developments near the airport.

I've already made my feelings quite clear about Capitol Metro, I don't feel like getting into that argument again. Through I will say that the cities to the south are growing fast, the need for transit options grows south as well.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Actually I would argue that the fact that we have environmentally sensitive areas that will cause more density in the areas that are not in the sensitive areas. You also seem to forget southeast Austin is part of south Austin. Starting to see a lot of new developments near the airport.

I'm not forgetting about SE Austin. But compare SE Austin to NE Austin, and North Central, and NW.
I'm not claiming that there is or will be no development in South Austin. But there has been and will be more development north.

Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

I've already made my feelings quite clear about Capitol Metro, I don't feel like getting into that argument again. Through I will say that the cities to the south are growing fast, the need for transit options grows south as well.

I'd love it if Kyle, Buda, heck even San Marcos joined CapMetro. But none of them have shown any interest. And it looks like sales taxes aren't available for them (doesn't help that the county takes .5%).


And maybe sometime in the future they'll do a partnership like Round Rock is doing with CapMetro. but even under such a partnership, they won't pay for as much service as a member committing a full 1% will get.

[KevinFromTexas]

This conversation reminds me of the barbershop scene from Coming to America. All it needs is a squabble about the name changes/nicknames of our urban corridors.


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/358951...93495/?lp=true

[urbancore]

“His momma call him Cassius, imma call him Cassius”

[futures]

Why are we arguing which area of town develops/gentrifies quicker than the other?

Plenty of projects are moving dirt all over the city - including South Austin.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

This conversation reminds me of the barbershop scene from Coming to America. All it needs is a squabble about the name changes/nicknames of our urban corridors.

Shoot me if I start referring to it as LowBurn.

[lzppjb]

Originally Posted by futures

Why are we arguing which area of town develops/gentrifies quicker than the other?

Plenty of projects are moving dirt all over the city - including South Austin.

I get where jdawg is coming from. South Austin has always been a bit of an afterthought. UT, Govt and Downtown are all north of the river. As lifelong South Austinites, we sometimes feel ignored.

Personally, I don't really care. I prefer South Austin much more. I like the undeveloped natural areas that Novacek mentioned. And he's right, North Austin will continue to grow faster than South. That's fine with me.

[Jdawgboy]

South Shore Central, South Shore/Riverside, SoCo, SoLa all are getting denser and will continue to do so. In the coming years the St. Elmo District will join them. Every empty lot in my hood is being built on, lots that had sat empty since before I was born are now being filled with new housing. South Austin is indeed growing and I see it picking up even more over the next 5 years. Izppjb hit the hammer on the nail about how South Austin had been treated for years but things are changing. More companies are choosing the southside. I'm also proud of our natural areas and I hope we preserve them going forward and sure the north will also continue to build up but what some are not considering is that more and more people are getting tired of the hassle, the traffic and commute times in far north Austin/Williamson County and are making the choice to move south. My good friend Tiff recently moved down to Buda from Round Rock because she was tired of the commute times she had to deal with and while she still deals with traffic, her commute is shorter and fact is she is closer to Downtown now than she was when she was up in Round Rock.

Let me be clear, I sure as hell don't want the Southside to be anything like North Austin, which by the way I don't consider DT to be apart of, Its Central Austin. East Austin is not part of the north and neither is West Austin.