[Halifax] Nova Centre | 65-58-58 m | 16-15-14 fl | Completed

[worldlyhaligonian]

Originally Posted by 1976

Your right that makes sence. I withdrawal my previous statement.

Also the fact that it isn't just about price, its about quality.

[1976]

[QUOTE=worldlyhaligonian;6118559]Also the fact that it isn't just about price, its about quality.[/

The quality of the other two company's is absolutely on par and they have proven it with projects like Kings Wharf and the Trillium and dozens of other great projects around HRM over the last 25 years. The choice is Ranks, yes, but if the choice was based on the perceived notion that there is a lack of ability with regard to the other two than Rank has, to their loss, been grossly miss informed.

[worldlyhaligonian]

[QUOTE=1976;6118571]

Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian

Also the fact that it isn't just about price, its about quality.[/

The quality of the other two company's is absolutely on par and they have proven it with projects like Kings Wharf and the Trillium and dozens of other great projects around HRM over the last 25 years. The choice is Ranks, yes, but if the choice was based on the perceived notion that there is a lack of ability with regard to the other two than Rank has, to their loss, been grossly miss informed.

Well, logically, its not about lack of ability or inability, it has much to do with the perception of who might do it best. Those are solid proofs of concept though, with Kings Wharf being stand out.

Trillium didn't rise that fast out of its hole, KW was impressive given the amount of foundation work.

[1976]

[QUOTE=worldlyhaligonian;6119348]

Originally Posted by 1976

Well, logically, its not about lack of ability or inability, it has much to do with the perception of who might do it best. Those are solid proofs of concept though, with Kings Wharf being stand out.

Trillium didn't rise that fast out of its hole, KW was impressive given the amount of foundation work.

Sometimes on sites like the trillium their are factors, out side of the control of the formworkersl that slow things down. I believe there was a lot of indecision and drainage issues that held things up in the hole. The consultant also made a massive error in floor elevation. That stopped construction for a number of weeks. Tillium was also 3 floors below street level with no lay down area. There was only 2 levels below grade at kings wharf. kings wharf also had massive lay down area for equipment and no busy streets and sidewalks to contend with.
KW did however have the tide to deal with until the footings were poured.
Well regardless of who does the Formwork for the nova centre it's a great project and I think it will be great for Halifax.

[kph06]

Originally Posted by 1976

The quality of the other two company's is absolutely on par and they have proven it with projects like Kings Wharf and the Trillium and dozens of other great projects around HRM over the last 25 years. The choice is Ranks, yes, but if the choice was based on the perceived notion that there is a lack of ability with regard to the other two than Rank has, to their loss, been grossly miss informed.

I'm guessing the rumors must be that Lead got it? I was wondering if those two newish Potain cranes were rentals or purchased on the expectation of getting a big job like the Nova Centre. Any idea who is doing the form work on TD?

[1976]

Originally Posted by kph06

I'm guessing the rumors must be that Lead got it? I was wondering if those two newish Potain cranes were rentals or purchased on the expectation of getting a big job like the Nova Centre. Any idea who is doing the form work on TD?

Lead is doi g the Formwork on the TD. And those two new potains are not rentals they bought em. And lead will be doing the nova centre 99% sure. But Nova centre or not, Lead needed those cranes as their fleet was pretty much straight out of the Stone Age. Oh and Ellis don owns the luffer crane being used on the TD in case your wondering.

[kph06]

Originally Posted by 1976

Lead is doi g the Formwork on the TD. And those two new potains are not rentals they bought em. And lead will be doing the nova centre 99% sure. But Nova centre or not, Lead needed those cranes as their fleet was pretty much straight out of the Stone Age. Oh and Ellis don owns the luffer crane being used on the TD in case your wondering.

Interesting, I've noticed their equipment is showing its age, it doesn't seem like it gets touch up paint as much as some of the other company's cranes. I figured that luffing jib was here for just for that job, until we get more projects like that there would little need for one of the local companies to invest in one.

Glad to see you are back posting though, you've provided interesting technical answers on previous threads.

[fenwick16]

The Nova Centre is such a large excavation site that it made me wonder how it compares to other well known excavation sites. Here is the Nova Scotia Webcams view of the Nova Centre - http://www.novascotiawebcams.com/halifax/nova-centre-construction.html

For comparison, the side by side comparison (image below) of the two former World Trade towers and Nova Centre seems to indicate that both World Trade towers could have fit on the Nova Centre site (in fact, almost four NY World Trade towers could fit).

Based on my measurements from Google Earth, the site to be excavated is 290 feet x 330 feet. Based on an average excavation depth of 50 feet that would work out to 4,785,000 cubic feet (178,000 cubic yards) of rocky fill. If the density of the excavated fill is similar to concrete (about 150 lb per cubic foot) then that would be 718,000,000 lb or about 360,000 tons of fill to be excavated.

Another comparison is to the recently completed Dallas Cowboys Stadium. It was about 14 acres, which was excavated to a maximum of 50 feet deep (I am not sure of the average depth, but based on pictures it appears to be less than 50 feet on average). Based on this link - http://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/Cowboys-Build-Stadium-of-the-Future/7849/ - 750,000 cubic yards of fill was removed for the Dallas Cowboys Stadium. So the Nova Centre is about 1/4 as much as the Dallas Cowboys Stadium excavation. In my opinion, the Nova Centre is certainly in the major leagues as far as excavation goes (I wonder how the Nova Centre excavation compares with the Scotia Square excavation?)

(source: screen shots from Bing Maps)

[fenwick16]

I just happened upon this video of blasting at the Nova Centre site, uploaded to YouTube by Mike Vavra .

I was surprised by the size of the blasts; I thought that the blasting would be numerous small blasts with little visual evidence at surface level.

• Video Link

[Waye Mason]

The noon gun 4-5 times a day. I actually bought new watch today to help restore my sense of time.

[teddifax]

It would be great for someone that has the technical know-how to superimpose the finished Nova Centre on top of the webcam view to show what the finished project would look like. I am anxious to see that!!!

[spaustin]

Originally Posted by Waye Mason

The noon gun 4-5 times a day. I actually bought new watch today to help restore my sense of time.

haha. They're doing some interior work on the inside of Bedford Row so a bunch of us have been moved out temporarily into old ACOA space on the ground floor of Cambridge Suites. There have been some rumbles that have really shook the place!

[Jstaleness]

from cbc.ca/ns

The head of Halifax's new convention centre project says he's already booked five conventions for the year the facility is set to open.

Construction of the $160-million building in downtown Halifax is underway and is expected to be completed by January 2016.

Scott Ferguson, the president and CEO of Trade Centre Ltd., appeared before the public accounts committee of the legislature Wednesday morning.

Ferguson said he's confident about the centre's ability to remain on schedule and had been drumming up business over the past year.

“I’ve talked a little bit about two of them, the Canada Venture Capital Association — which is responsible for about $88 billion in investments, private equity — will be in Halifax in 2016. At the other end of the spectrum Canada's Cooperative Housing Federation … and the Canadian Librarian Association, and two other medical conferences,” he said.

The province's auditor general is skeptical of the market projection and last fall recommended the province get another independent assessment.

The government refused, saying it was comfortable with the studies that had already been done.

Despite concerns from the auditor general, Ferguson is convinced the new facility in Halifax will attract more national and international business.

“We are a centre of excellence for a number of sectors, including defence, aerospace, life sciences and oceans — just to name a few,” he said.

CBC continues to use the old renderings in all their articles. Not sure why they can't update.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by Jstaleness

CBC continues to use the old renderings in all their articles. Not sure why they can't update.

They have always been opposed to this development so I guess they figure they should always present it in the worst possible way.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

They have always been opposed to this development so I guess they figure they should always present it in the worst possible way.

You will never be able to show me proof that the CBC has said that. Because they never have.

You need to find a better coping mechanism for when news organisations cover all sides of the story, instead of just the narratives *you* approve of.

The CBC has included plenty of quotes and sources pertaining to the benefits of the centre.

I suppose this centre, but I'm humble enough to admit that the 'army of support' for the Nova Centre could be wrong in some regards about the convention market, or about the centre's design. Economically, the Nova Centre might not work out the way they've planned.

Since the CBC has covered sources that support the centre, I suppose your future self could criticise the CBC for pushing through such a wasteful project.

[Keith P.]

Stick to posting pictures. They have considerably less utter nonsense than your written posts.

[RyeJay]

I suppose asking you for evidence is like trying to catch you when you're not miserable.

Enjoy your picture:



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[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

I suppose asking you for evidence is like trying to catch you when you're not miserable.

Enjoy your picture:



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Who cares!

[kph06]

I think excavation must be nearing the end, the blasting permit expires in July and when I drove by yesterday I spotted a GPS-enabled excavator (first time I've noticed this onsite). This will allow them to get the grade very close to perfect - they will no doubt bring in a surveyor to confirm elevations to be on the safe side.

[someone123]

What is the next step the developer must go through before starting in on construction? The building envelope requirements were built into HbD, but presumably the normal approval process will have to be followed and the DRC will be involved...?

It is hard to know which articles to believe on this because a lot of info on this development is speculative and highly biased. A few different reporters have gone to great lengths to make it sound like this could be canceled at any moment, for example.