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Old Posted Jan 11, 2024, 12:04 PM
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Over the next few weeks AC will have a bunch of domestic one-off Jetz 320 aircraft scheduled domestic flights (some subbing on regular flight numbers while others are one-off flight #s): https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/231228-ac1q24320

And a one-off MCO-YUL: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240110-acfeb24mco

I would hazard a guess that a lot of these are revenue earning repositioning flights before/after/between sports charters.
Weird schedule for that. Orlando isn't exactly a hot spot of sports. Detroit Pistons play in Orlando that day but this special flight is at 9pm, which a Pistons charter would be operating around that time. I can see the flight coming to Montreal to fly the Canadiens to Washington on the 5th for their game on the 6th, but with the NHL on the All Star break that weekend, why would the plane be in Orlando to begin with, I wonder.
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Weird schedule for that. Orlando isn't exactly a hot spot of sports. Detroit Pistons play in Orlando that day but this special flight is at 9pm, which a Pistons charter would be operating around that time. I can see the flight coming to Montreal to fly the Canadiens to Washington on the 5th for their game on the 6th, but with the NHL on the All Star break that weekend, why would the plane be in Orlando to begin with, I wonder.
A Toronto Raptors flight?
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2024, 2:54 AM
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A Toronto Raptors flight?
They were my first thought, but they are in Houston and OKC that weekend. I'm just curious where the plane is coming from to be in Orlando taking a flight back to Montreal at 9pm. There is a link in the Aeroroutes article posted above that goes back to a prior story with a bunch of Jetz flights but the last one listed is Feb 1, Ottawa to Montreal.
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Over the next few weeks AC will have a bunch of domestic one-off Jetz 320 aircraft scheduled domestic flights (some subbing on regular flight numbers while others are one-off flight #s): https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/231228-ac1q24320

And a one-off MCO-YUL: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240110-acfeb24mco

I would hazard a guess that a lot of these are revenue earning repositioning flights before/after/between sports charters.
I’d be so stoked if i got an aircraft change notification and it was a Jetz aircraft.
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Lynx adding YYC/YVR-YQB in June 2024

YYC-YQB 5x weekly effective June 6
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2024, 6:42 AM
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Noticed something interesting about Avianca's YUL announcement.

https://www.avianca.com/en/about-us/...2024/enero-10/

We know BOG is at over 8,000ft altitude, meaning aircraft taking off from BOG on long distance flights often have to leave seats open.

BOG-YUL will be flown by a 180 seat A320 (neo, most likely). They are saying they will offer 1200 seats/week on the route. However, 180x4x2 is 1440 seats. That's a difference of 240 seats. So if these numbers are accurate, it looks like AV will block off 60 seats from BOG to YUL on each flight. The return flights back to BOG shouldn't have any blocked seats.

I find 60 seats is a lot of blocked seats. That's a third of the seats ! Again, all of this assuming these numbers are accurate.
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Noticed something interesting about Avianca's YUL announcement.

https://www.avianca.com/en/about-us/...2024/enero-10/

We know BOG is at over 8,000ft altitude, meaning aircraft taking off from BOG on long distance flights often have to leave seats open.

BOG-YUL will be flown by a 180 seat A320 (neo, most likely). They are saying they will offer 1200 seats/week on the route. However, 180x4x2 is 1440 seats. That's a difference of 240 seats. So if these numbers are accurate, it looks like AV will block off 60 seats from BOG to YUL on each flight. The return flights back to BOG shouldn't have any blocked seats.

I find 60 seats is a lot of blocked seats. That's a third of the seats ! Again, all of this assuming these numbers are accurate.
After having checked the A320 ACAPS document, a departure from 8,000ft altitude for the A320neo, in ISA conditions, would require a ~20,000lb payload hit. That's the weight of around 60 passengers and bags.

So it all seems to make sense.

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Very jealous of YUL Narrow body aircraft can operate the route so that's a huge plus, makes it easier to expand than to devote a long-haul plane.
YUL-BOG is definitely at the limit of what a narrowbody can operate from an airport at over 8,000ft. 60 blocked seats one way is a lot of lost revenue. Still, the fact they chose to start YUL with such a restriction, vs other US cities much closer to BOG, just goes to show the strength, not only of the international market out of Montreal, but of the AC hub. Let's see how the route does for AV. If this route performs well, I could see another Avianca Group carrier, TA (Avianca El Salvador, formerly known as TACA), start service from SAL as well. In fact, I had my money on them starting service to YUL ahead of AV.

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All very strong showings, these three airports have each been doing well at expanding and recovering, this is the second month in a row where the y/y overall growth was so similar between the three.
Y.O.Y might be similar, but vs 2019 definitely isn't. And that's an important metric as well.

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Old Posted Jan 13, 2024, 10:38 PM
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Very jealous of YUL Narrow body aircraft can operate the route so that's a huge plus, makes it easier to expand than to devote a long-haul plane. I wish AC would be charitable and move that A330 over to YVR to get BOG lol, they have Avianca now, they can cover it :p. Just kidding obviously, I can dream . Avianca to me is the strongest of the SA carriers, the rest are not internationally focused at all (or if they think they are, they are failing at it). So getting them at YUL is likely a long term addition that will grow. As opposed to Latam and other airlines; as others have said, these airlines are just less secure. In and out, toy around with routings, schedules, and just not reliable. Hopefully that will change and as places like Brazil mature more economically, the airlines will follow.

Airlines like Lynx and Porter are going insane lately, it's like constant new routes. They are really amping the bloodbath up, Lynx especially. At least Porter has a long history and brand, and just needed the right planes. And then bam! Lynx I'm not so sure about, seems very through a dart and see where it sticks. Their two new route announcements about YYG and YQB are slightly misleading, because once you read the articles, you learn some routes are not non-stop, they have a stopover. The routes are YVR-YYC-YQB, and YYC-YYZ-YYG. No doubt it is better than connecting, changing planes, worrying about timing and bags making the connection. A direct 1-stop flight is the same flight #, same plane (oddly enough same plane is not always the case for direct flights in the industry, but in Lynx's case, it is same plane). There's just something very amateurish nowadays about 1-stop domestic flights for some reason, very Westjet in the 90s kind of vibe (my aunt used to visit her family back in Wynyard SK every year, and she'd fly insane routings like YVR-YLW-YEG-YYC-YXE, so insane!) But it happened way more in the old days even with established carriers, look at one of Air Canada's 90s or 80s timetables and it's full of 1-stop routings. But new aircraft, changing markets, airfares dropping considerably from decades past, all changed the travel market. The milk runs are no longer acceptable, AC and WS barely have any same plane, 1-stop "direct" flights anymore. It's either non-stop or connect. But I guess Lynx thinks it's a solid plan. I feel like WS is going to crush them in YYC, they did not elbow out every other airline just to be toyed with by an airline like Lynx (ahem, Air Canada, British Airways, Air Transat, and Aeromexico all basically got taken out by WS, and these are big players, not a small start up. Not to mention the carriers it has likely scared away from starting up routes; Tokyo, Seoul, Iceland, and Paris are served by WS, so airlines like JL, KE, FI, and AF are less likely). Who knows, I could be way off and Lynx's plan is good, and they will do well and thrive next to WS. But they are still fighting for the same market IMO, average people don't realize that WS has grown up a bit and less provincial, only airport/airlines geeks and regular business travellers see those things. Most basic domestic leisure travellers out of YYC don't even check out Air Canada because it still has a decades-old reputation for being way more expensive and crappy compared to WS (again, business or frequent flyers know better, but most people hold this idea still, it's like the post-9/11 Air Canada troubles are fresh and it's still kind of disliked by people in Calgary). And of course, Air Canada decimated their YYC base because they knew they'd never topple WS. I'm generalizing of course, but the point is still valid. WS basically became the only game in town, had a loyal clientele, kept adding destinations and frequency, just dominating. But many of their potential pax would migrate over to Lynx for a cheaper price, there aren't that many benefits to flying with WS in terms of perks, business class, upgrades, status tiers etc. WS may have brand appreciation and support from Calgarians, but they would jump ship to a Lynx or Flair without thinking about it. You don't have the deep ties like AC has with it's frequent fliers and Elites (some people are next level with their points, upgrades, lounge access, all sorts of perks compared to WS's offering). And WS knows this, so won't want a Lynx to grow and prosper, it's too close to their core and edging in on their turf). We'll see what happens!

Lastly, November stats now posted at YUL, YYC, and YVR (as usual, YYC and YUL post much earlier than YVR, they've been up for a few weeks I think but YVR just posted on Monday). Here's the growth comparison (y/y) from highest to lowest):

Domestic
YVR +6.4%
YYC +6.3%
YUL +3.8%

Transborder
YYC +25.6%
YVR +18.9%
YUL +16.3%

International (non-us)
YVR +25.5%
YUL +19.5%
YYC +9.9%

International (total)
YVR +22.1%
YYC +19.2%
YUL +18.4%

Total
YVR +13.7%
YUL +13.4%
YYC +10.2%

All very strong showings, these three airports have each been doing well at expanding and recovering, this is the second month in a row where the y/y overall growth was so similar between the three. So even though individual components (domestic, transborder, etc.) have lots of variation between airports, overall it really comes out to similar growth. We've gotten to a point where they've each grown a lot and still have individual strengths (ie. YUL with international traffic and YYC with domestic). I am not sure where YYZ is at pax wise since they have the absolute worst website in the world and don't post statistics... It's actually shameful how bad the YYZ website is, it hasn't changed or improved anything in many years. It's like they don't even have a web savvy employee to step in and say "this is bad, we need to update this, we are a major global hub and this website is clunky amateur hour". Especially after they suffered a fairly bad PR problem this past year ie. the delays, the short staffed facilities, the overall dissatisfaction from a lot of pax. The airport authority really had to step up and solve the issue, and get ahead of some of the bad press before the negative impression is engrained. Consequently the YYZ website is in your face with promoting its improvements (it's the only airport website I've seen that provides daily all kinds of statistical metrics like baggage delivery times, # of flights held waiting for/at a gate, on time departures broken down by sector, and lots more). It's so stupid, it really serves no purpose at all for travellers! It's really internal data for use by operations and airport authority personnel, and the only reason YYZ is sharing it is because of the black eye they had. But reporting it daily is non sensical. It's like a childish reaction to some criticism (people get mad because of poor performance and just want good service; if you improve that, you've succeeded). Posting daily analytics is like "SEEEEEEEEE WE'RE ON IT!!!!!!! YOU CAN"T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT". Yet they don't post passenger numbers anymore? It's like "we can either post daily performance analytics OR monthly passenger stats. But not both, impossible to do both lol... Sorry for the rant, just bothers me that in 2024 there are still websites that are dysfunctional. This isn't 1997 when every website was amateur and basic, it was still early days and graphic capabilities weren't how they are today. In 2024, a very large public landmark like an airport should have a great website. Yet most airports have meh or average ones, and sometimes downright horrible. SIGH
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Traffic at YFC increases 25 per cent in 2023, outlook for 2024 even stronger. A total of 333,813 passengers travelled through YFC in 2023.
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Traffic at YFC increases 25 per cent in 2023, outlook for 2024 even stronger. A total of 333,813 passengers travelled through YFC in 2023.
Still a ways to go to catch up to 2019 numbers (427,085).
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AC has loaded additional flights to ATH for summer 2024.
Flights operate mid May until the third week of July.
3 weekly YUL-ATH
1 weekly YYZ-ATH

AC882 YUL 1500 - ATH 0700+1 B788 357
AC883 ATH 0900 - YUL 1155 B788 146

AC888 YYZ 1420 - ATH 0700+1 B788 6
AC889 ATH 0900 - YYZ 1245 B788 7
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The additional ATH service is coming from reduction of TLV.

I guess the schedule for the peak summer is still dependent on what happen to TLV. If AC decide to reduce TLV through the summer, then the increase of ATH will run through the entire summer.
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Air Canada B787 #39

It appears the middle of 3 new B787-9s (31st -9) made its first flight today, per this:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?pli=1#gid=2

Line #1174

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Porter launched YYZ-LAX yesterday. The inbound to LAX arrived mostly on time, but the outbound back to YYZ left 5.75 hours late and arrived YYZ at 04:11.

Hoping for some better luck today!
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Just noticed that YUL-ORD/EWR is getting UA mainline as of August 1st.

Don't know why so late into the summer season? When was the last time YUL saw UA mainline?
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YOW December/2023 stats are out.

https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

YOW finishes the year with 4.095 million pax, up from 2.992 million in 2022. I'm pretty sure December TB and international pax volume have never been this high either. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.

On another note, AF's YOW-CDG is now bookable daily starting this Spring (originally it was only daily beginning October 2024 while Summer still showed 5x weekly). Frame is also being upgauged to a 350-900 marking the first scheduled commercial service with an A350 YOW has seen. Incredible how they have increased capacity 4 times within the first year of launching the route. No press release (yet?).

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YOW December/2023 stats are out.

https://yow.ca/en/corporate/airport-...ssenger-volume

YOW finishes the year with 4.095 million pax, up from 2.992 million in 2022. I'm pretty sure December TB and international pax volume have never been this high either. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.

On another note, AF's YOW-CDG is now bookable daily starting this Spring (originally it was only daily beginning October 2024 while Summer still showed 5x weekly). Frame is also being upgauged to a 350-900 marking the first scheduled commercial service with an A350 YOW has seen. Incredible how they have increased capacity 4 times within the first year of launching the route. No press release (yet?).
That's cool that AF will be sending the HD (324 seat) 359 to YOW. Largest capacity aircraft to serve YOW since the Wardair 747s until about 1987 (the KL 747s to AMS and AC 747s to LHR were split with YHZ and YMX respectively so half the capacity - and a lot of those were combis). The current AC 789s and last May 77Ls on YOW-YVR are close).

As for pax counts, that's the highest ever transborder and international numbers for the month of December. The previous December transborder record was 71,031 in 2014 (highest ever month was March 2012 at 86,974 and international was 50,446 in 2011 (highest ever month was January 2012 at 73,607). Interestingly, December domestic was -0.1% which reflects no Flair domestic flying this winter.

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Just noticed that YUL-ORD/EWR is getting UA mainline as of August 1st.

Don't know why so late into the summer season? When was the last time YUL saw UA mainline?
I'm pretty sure this is the first time UA will have ever sent mainline to YUL (CO used to send mainline to EWR when the 735s were still around).
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That's cool that AF will be sending the HD (324 seat) 359 to YOW. Largest capacity aircraft to serve YOW since the Wardair 747s until about 1987 (the KL 747s to AMS and AC 747s to LHR were split with YHZ and YMX respectively so half the capacity - and a lot of those were combis). The current AC 789s and last May 77Ls on YOW-YVR are close).

As for pax counts, that's the highest ever transborder and international numbers for the month of December. The previous December transborder record was 71,031 in 2014 (highest ever month was March 2012 at 86,974 and international was 50,446 in 2011 (highest ever month was January 2012 at 73,607). Interestingly, December domestic was -0.1% which reflects no Flair domestic flying this winter.

I'm pretty sure this is the first time UA will have ever sent mainline to YUL (CO used to send mainline to EWR when the 735s were still around).
Do you remember what years KLM was making the stop in YHZ? I always thought that service was with a DC-10.
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A little love for YQR getting Lynx to YYZ & YVR
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Do you remember what years KLM was making the stop in YHZ? I always thought that service was with a DC-10.
The KL operated aircraft years were always some version of 747 - usually a combi. The routing was always with a YHZ stop, including in the final couple of years with the Martinair 763 until March 27, 1996.
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